http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Recent Posts en Fri, 24 Jul 2026 01:01:54 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21911#post-385155 Thu, 23 Jul 2026 23:34:08 +0000 LaidBack 385155@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Argyle House has to stay as it is.<br /> As you all (probably) know it's been used twice recently in TV dramas.<br /> Once as the Scottish Police HQ for Irvine Welsh 'Crime' series (STV player featuring Dougray Scott). Big production values with drone shots and castle in background.<br /> Secondly used in 'Department Q' (Apple TV). Also big production values with drone shots and castle in background. This also featured the Golden Rule bar apparently. (I don't have Apple TV so only repeating from hearsay)<br /> Both should be retained indefinitely as filmic locations! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3913&page=9#post-385154 Thu, 23 Jul 2026 21:54:14 +0000 jdanielp 385154@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have not spotted this recumbent trike. Occasionally in the mornings this year I have encountered a bike pulling a wide child trailer heading towards me from the west. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3913&page=9#post-385153 Thu, 23 Jul 2026 20:44:43 +0000 gembo 385153@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Recumbent trike heading east tonight. Looked to be same width as path. Came on at. The west end just as I had overtaken two joggers east of the acqueduct. I dismounted and pushed my bike as far into the railings as I could. One of the joggers asked me Where is he going to go? I said I don’t know but when it came to the crunch there was enough room </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8710&page=76#post-385152 Thu, 23 Jul 2026 14:52:10 +0000 chdot 385152@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well (part of) problem is fear of things (fires etc) that are mostly(?) caused by illegal bikes</p> <p>And (apparent) inability to enforce existing laws and/or amend laws as required </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8710&page=76#post-385151 Thu, 23 Jul 2026 12:37:58 +0000 Dave 385151@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>IIRC the government were consulting about recognising ebikes as mobility aids in some context or other (the bar for a building, or a tram operator or train station to ban an electric mobility aid seems to be extremely high, whereas for the same battery installed on a bike, the bar is very low). Not sure where that's at, or if it would generally undermine ebike bans. </p> <p>My current office allows you to bring anything in, but not charge it. We no longer transport the kids by ebike/trailer or e-cargo bike, but there was a point in time where an office ebike ban would have meant driving them to nursery and taking a bus or regular bike on from there, the kind of social impact that a government wanting to promote greener travel might be interested to legislate to protect.. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20766&page=84#post-385150 Thu, 23 Jul 2026 12:34:54 +0000 chdot 385150@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>In her first 48 hours as energy secretary, Miatta Fahnbulleh was left in no doubt about the thorny policy decision at the top of her in-tray. Protesters from Fossil Free London met her outside her new offices dressed as firefighters holding placards reading: “We’re already putting out fires, don’t start new ones.”</p> <p>The MP for Peckham – a radical economist who is outspoken about the climate crisis – is a surprising choice as secretary of state for energy and net zero for those who believe the speculation in Westminster that Andy Burnham wants to approve new oil and gas drilling in the North Sea.</p> <p>Protesters outside the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero (DESNZ) on Wednesday were taking no chances on whether the rumours were correct, demanding in full voice that the new energy secretary scrap all new drilling.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/23/who-is-miatta-fahnbulleh-the-radical-thinking-new-uk-energy-secretary" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/23/who-is-miatta-fahnbulleh-the-radical-thinking-new-uk-energy-secretary</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21911#post-385149 Thu, 23 Jul 2026 08:42:59 +0000 chdot 385149@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/developers-set-out-plans-to-replace-edinburghs-argyle-house-with-homes-offices-and-hotel-8813041" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/developers-set-out-plans-to-replace-edinburghs-argyle-house-with-homes-offices-and-hotel-8813041</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20766&page=84#post-385148 Thu, 23 Jul 2026 08:37:42 +0000 chdot 385148@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>But Harry says his ire isn’t directed towards vulnerable people who can still use their hosepipes. Instead, he blames water companies – which, according to water regulator Ofwat, lose almost 3bn litres of drinking water a day in England and Wales through leaking pipes. That’s five times more than even a nationwide hosepipe ban could save, says Greenpeace UK. </p> <p>Another thing guzzling our water supplies is the rise of AI, which Harry also hit out against. There are 450-plus AI datacentres in the UK, with more planned, which require enormous amounts of water to cool servers. On Tuesday, the water industry warned that these plans were “fatally flawed” as the policies make “not a single mention of water”. Water UK said that more than two-thirds of existing datacentres are in the south and south-east of England, where many of the hosepipe bans are in place. The Government Digital Sustainability Alliance, a public-private group led by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, has already warned that AI is predicted to lead to an increase in global water usage from 1.1bn to 6.6bn cubic metres by 2027 – in other words, equivalent to more than half of the UK’s total water usage. “Is it really gardeners at fault?” Harry says. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jul/23/how-hosepipe-ban-got-caught-up-in-culture-war" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jul/23/how-hosepipe-ban-got-caught-up-in-culture-war</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20766&page=84#post-385147 Thu, 23 Jul 2026 08:10:41 +0000 chdot 385147@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jul/23/carmakers-lobbied-uk-revoke-ban-petrol-diesel-cars-2035" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jul/23/carmakers-lobbied-uk-revoke-ban-petrol-diesel-cars-2035</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20766&page=84#post-385146 Thu, 23 Jul 2026 08:10:25 +0000 chdot 385146@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jul/23/climate-crisis-heat-sucking-soils-dry-extreme-drought-europe-analysis" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jul/23/climate-crisis-heat-sucking-soils-dry-extreme-drought-europe-analysis</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21987#post-385145 Thu, 23 Jul 2026 07:32:51 +0000 wingpig 385145@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting. A normal traffic red, or one of the yes-you-do-have-to-wait-that-long cycling-specific reds to get into George St? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14856&page=2#post-385144 Wed, 22 Jul 2026 13:43:00 +0000 chdot 385144@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>‘This is a moment we have been working towards for nearly two decades’ - Sarah Drummond </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-communitys-dream-starts-to-become-reality-as-work-begins-on-the-causey-8813766" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-communitys-dream-starts-to-become-reality-as-work-begins-on-the-causey-8813766</a></p> <p><a href="https://thecausey.org/who-we-are/" rel="nofollow">https://thecausey.org/who-we-are/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21987#post-385143 Wed, 22 Jul 2026 10:35:37 +0000 gembo 385143@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hearing reports of a lad being given a fifty pound fine on the spot for jumping a red light in Charlotte Square upon his bicycle,</p> <p>Harsh but pointing out all the other Fokkers in their cars doing the same ain’t no defence. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8710&page=76#post-385142 Wed, 22 Jul 2026 09:09:36 +0000 Arellcat 385142@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Tulyar is right to call out the gig worker economy for encouraging unchecked proliferation of electric mopeds masquerading as e-bikes, and whatever underground movement exists to service that demand – but to bring the argument back to trams, the likelihood of such an e-bike catching fire onboard a tram is surely the same as one catching fire not onboard a tram. How often does that actually happen? I'm sure it must do occasionally; I've never seen one in flames but I'm not in town 24 hours a day. And how often does an e-bike from a reputable brand catch fire? I've even less seen that happen. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3297&page=8#post-385141 Wed, 22 Jul 2026 08:12:03 +0000 chdot 385141@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“<br /> Concerns are growing for its future. That inevitably includes the fear that the longer it sits empty the greater the risk it could fall prey to fire, like the White Elephant and a string of other historic buildings in Edinburgh and Glasgow in recent years. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghinquirer.co.uk/p/could-empty-art-deco-cinema-become?publication_id=1719536&amp;post_id=207197982" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghinquirer.co.uk/p/could-empty-art-deco-cinema-become?publication_id=1719536&amp;post_id=207197982</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21968#post-385140 Tue, 21 Jul 2026 23:52:30 +0000 LaidBack 385140@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Here's a thing.<br /> Andy Burnham is rewarding Anas Sarwar by putting him into the House of Lords so he can be in UKGov. He'll resign as an MSP.<br /> That's his 'political circuitbreaker'.</p> <p>Of no import down south in 'The North'. Will not go down well here I think? Particularly as Anas wanted the Lords abolished. (!) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20766&page=84#post-385139 Tue, 21 Jul 2026 20:12:10 +0000 LaidBack 385139@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Village community garden is severely water stressed. Local burn drying up. One pump broke as too much grit in it (?) Moved 600 litres quite quickly on Urban Arrow. Too far for a long hose btw!<br /> <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/66067108@N08/55403917141/in/datetaken/" title="Urban Arrow water carrier"><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/55403917141_30a2ec1c80.jpg" alt="Urban Arrow water carrier" /></a></p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/66067108@N08/55409757649/in/datetaken/" title="Sillar Burn drying up"><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/55409757649_9f9b779d0b.jpg" alt="Sillar Burn drying up" /></a></p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/66067108@N08/55409757139/in/datetaken/" title="National Front Cover 21st July 2026"><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/55409757139_4d1e0cbf41.jpg" alt="National Front Cover 21st July 2026" /></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16209&page=27#post-385138 Tue, 21 Jul 2026 17:29:05 +0000 chdot 385138@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/no-plans-to-reinstate-bus-stops-on-north-bridge-when-road-reopens-to-traffic-8813496" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/no-plans-to-reinstate-bus-stops-on-north-bridge-when-road-reopens-to-traffic-8813496</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20766&page=84#post-385137 Tue, 21 Jul 2026 13:38:20 +0000 chdot 385137@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>The UK will not have enough water for future datacentres, the water industry has said in stark criticism of the government’s AI growth plans. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jul/21/not-enough-water-for-uks-datacentre-plans-trade-body-says" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jul/21/not-enough-water-for-uks-datacentre-plans-trade-body-says</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17102&page=22#post-385136 Tue, 21 Jul 2026 13:00:25 +0000 chdot 385136@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>City Plan 2040: </p> <p>Call for Ideas </p> <p>We’d like your proposals and ideas to help shape Edinburgh’s next local development plan - City Plan 2040. </p> <p>The Plan will help guide development and set the direction for how places across the city will grow, change and be protected over the coming years. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/cityplanideas/" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/cityplanideas/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20766&page=84#post-385135 Tue, 21 Jul 2026 09:53:19 +0000 chdot 385135@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Matthew said: “Setting the 2030 clean power target was less about meeting the target than setting turbo boosters under the clean economy to get lift-off – which [Miliband] has achieved with record levels of renewables contracts and reforms to massively speed up deployment. This is critical to economic growth, reindustrialisation, energy security and, yes, bringing down bills. This is an energy revolution which is now inevitable and no amount of grumbling by the politicians and media barons funded by fossil fuel interests can reverse it.” </p> <p>Now Miliband has moved beyond the energy department to the Foreign Office. He has always had an eye on the global aspects of this transition, acting as a powerful voice at climate summits and arguing for change. He will bring his climate knowledge and undoubted energies to bear on this role. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/21/labour-briefed-against-ed-miliband-success-popularity" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/21/labour-briefed-against-ed-miliband-success-popularity</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8710&page=76#post-385134 Tue, 21 Jul 2026 09:43:33 +0000 Arellcat 385134@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Yodhrin, I'm sure I've posted about this before in here but the search function is broken.</p> <p>It would be instructive to ask CEC to show their risk assessment criteria. Back of the envelope thinking here, but an e-bike battery fire onboard a tram may be rare or unlikely in terms of likelihood – itself a combination of likelihood that a bike onboard is an e-bike <em>and</em> that the e-bike is a bit shonky. The inherent likelihood of a shinky e-bike is reduced because those bikes are mostly not being brought onboard trams in the first place. At any rate, combine that likelihood score with a major or severe impact were it to occur and you still get an overall risk that is three or four times smaller than the highest possible risk.</p> <p>The control measure would therefore be simply to remove the source of risk altogether (that is, "NO E-BIKES"), since "NO BIKES" would be an unreasonable level of mitigation.</p> <p>There is possibly some confirmation bias on both sides, since e-bikes in Edinburgh may constitute a higher proportion of bikes in daily use compared with other cities with trams that allow bikes onboard, if there are any. One counter argument I often thought about is how the scoring of impact ought to allow for the fact that an e-bike battery contains far more energy than most other lithium batteries we carry every day, in our bags, pockets and on our wrists. But even a phone battery contains enough energy to produce quite a decent little fire, enough probably to cause panic amongst passengers, <em>probably</em> not enough to set a tram on fire though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8710&page=76#post-385133 Mon, 20 Jul 2026 22:58:09 +0000 Yodhrin 385133@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Tulyar Yeah sorry man, I don't buy it. The actual risk is statistically nonexistent(I've currently got an FoI request in with Merseyrail about their supposed "safety review" to find out what evidence and criteria they used in their ban, and Edinburgh Trams will be getting the same if Spokes can't get them to back down - I suspect the answer in weaselly terms will be "sweet FA" and that this is happening almost exclusively at the behest of one particular union who are using a single incident on a platform on the London Underground as an excuse to push a full ban with operators nationwide as they did in London, why I have no idea).</p> <p>Powered wheelchairs are still allowed, mobility scooters are still allowed - their batteries are at least as large as any EAPC, and I've known people who've replaced old failed battery packs in mobility devices with "shonky foreign jobs" because the official replacements were so expensive when out of warranty. Laptops and mobiles are still allowed despite the fact that there have been scandals in recent years where both types of device exploded or caught fire either injuring people or burning down buildings. </p> <p>Lithium batteries and their risks are simply part of modern life, there is no rational, evidence-based reason I've yet seen to specifically single out ebikes and hold them to a different standard.</p> <p>I've seen suggestions that the various bans are less about battery safety and more about the wider context; they always seem to be happening in places that are working to enable more cycling and encourage multimodal journeys but where operators have invested in infrastructure and rolling stock with poor provision for bicycles, and banning ebikes which are quickly becoming the main kind of bicycle people use for utility transport is a way of simply not having to deal with the increased demand for capacity, a way for their staff to not have to deal with customers forced to wait on a platform because a train or tram only has space for two bikes. A cop out, essentially. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17899&page=69#post-385132 Mon, 20 Jul 2026 20:45:17 +0000 chdot 385132@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Officers are working closely with Voi Bikes to provide additional capacity, particularly in and around Leith, and will be expanding the fleet from 800 to 1000 bikes by the end of next week. Additional bike parking infrastructure is being arranged in the city centre to accommodate those travelling into the city from Leith and Newhave. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/news/article/14449/princes-street-closure-progress-update" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/news/article/14449/princes-street-closure-progress-update</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21898&page=2#post-385131 Mon, 20 Jul 2026 20:42:52 +0000 chdot 385131@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/news/article/14449/princes-street-closure-progress-update" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/news/article/14449/princes-street-closure-progress-update</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8710&page=76#post-385130 Mon, 20 Jul 2026 18:51:58 +0000 chdot 385130@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-trams-to-newhaven-must-be-resumed-urgently-after-debenhams-fire-in-princes-street-8810802" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-trams-to-newhaven-must-be-resumed-urgently-after-debenhams-fire-in-princes-street-8810802</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20766&page=84#post-385129 Mon, 20 Jul 2026 17:15:22 +0000 chdot 385129@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2026/jul/20/doomsday-system-physicist-laura-grego-satellites-nuclear-weapons-battle-skies-space-elon-musk" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2026/jul/20/doomsday-system-physicist-laura-grego-satellites-nuclear-weapons-battle-skies-space-elon-musk</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21227&page=4#post-385128 Mon, 20 Jul 2026 12:27:16 +0000 chdot 385128@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Edinburgh city centre 20mph zone drivers in penalty points warning </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-36903261" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-36903261</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20766&page=84#post-385127 Mon, 20 Jul 2026 11:35:49 +0000 chdot 385127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/19/no-10-north-utilities-north-sea-drilling-andy-burnham-plans-government" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/19/no-10-north-utilities-north-sea-drilling-andy-burnham-plans-government</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19103&page=23#post-385126 Mon, 20 Jul 2026 08:34:49 +0000 chdot 385126@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>IN devastating news for British nature conservation, the RSPB is set for another round of cutbacks and job losses. And it seems that RSPB Scotland will bear a greater proportion of the burden than their English, Welsh and Northern Irish counterparts. Documents leaked to The National last month reveal that 49 Scottish jobs are on the line, with operations likely to be centralised to England </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.thenational.scot/comment/26292013.rspb-centralisation-disastrous-look-time-uk-separatism/" rel="nofollow">https://www.thenational.scot/comment/26292013.rspb-centralisation-disastrous-look-time-uk-separatism/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=21592&page=7#post-385125 Mon, 20 Jul 2026 07:43:21 +0000 bakky 385125@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>edi.bike | issue 154 | 20th July '26 </p> <p>A Decade of 20mph Benefits; Route closures abound, preventing George St festival pedestrian zone; plus events, infrastructure, route closures &amp; more:</p> <p><a href="https://buttondown.com/edi.bike/archive/issue-154-20th-july-26/" rel="nofollow">https://buttondown.com/edi.bike/archive/issue-154-20th-july-26/</a></p> <p><a href="https://freeimage.host/i/Cw5PU5Q"><img src="https://iili.io/Cw5PU5Q.md.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-385124 Mon, 20 Jul 2026 00:15:08 +0000 bakky 385124@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I meant in a straight line, so unless the size of his lungs match his ego the Fifers don’t need to worry. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-385123 Sun, 19 Jul 2026 22:25:35 +0000 Frenchy 385123@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What has Fife ever done to you? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=165&page=20#post-385122 Sun, 19 Jul 2026 22:13:37 +0000 LaidBack 385122@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/66067108@N08/55404159582/in/datetaken/" title="VOI riders"><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/55404159582_84b2d6e294.jpg" alt="VOI riders" /></a></p> <p>VOI appeals to all ages. Seen a few groups like this out. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18832&page=2#post-385121 Sun, 19 Jul 2026 21:53:43 +0000 bakky 385121@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think he should walk straight out the front door of his premises and keep walking until he reaches Fife. </p>