http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: child deaths - Recent Posts en Mon, 01 Jun 2026 06:07:28 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212&page=2#post-105557 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 09:39:54 +0000 minus six 105557@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Seven-year-old girl seriously injured by a 4x4 vehicle in Greenhall Road, Gorebridge.</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-21892466" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-21892466</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212&page=2#post-104433 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 15:58:01 +0000 minus six 104433@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A seven-year-old boy has died after being struck by a car in Penicuik on Tuesday afternoon</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-21764375" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-21764375</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212&page=2#post-85270 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 21:46:07 +0000 Instography 85270@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>But it would still be funny to have a dozen kids outside Waverley Court on the day of a Transport Committee meeting where they're going to decide on the Leith Walk thing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212&page=2#post-85266 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 21:21:36 +0000 crowriver 85266@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sorry but I find that stunt incredibly cheesey. Kind of Candid Camera meets X Factor. It looks staged too, I find it hard to believe this was not officially sanctioned. I mean, radio mics? Where's the PA? All those different camera angles, it's clearly a highly co-ordinated production, almost like an ad campaign for some global brand.</p> <p>Maybe I'm just a grumpy old Scotsman after all... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212&page=2#post-85259 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:09:39 +0000 sallyhinch 85259@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is the one <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARwZ3scXQ7U" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARwZ3scXQ7U</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212&page=2#post-85255 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:21:40 +0000 Uberuce 85255@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>First prize - a week of looking after Insto's kids.</p> <p>Second prize - two weeks of looking after Insto's kids? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212&page=2#post-85254 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:16:58 +0000 Instography 85254@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You don't want them to be able to sing. The more atonal and cute the better. You can have my two - one week or two? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212&page=2#post-85243 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:34:16 +0000 sallyhinch 85243@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There was a flash mob, I think in Belgium somewhere, that did the whole 'I want to ride my bicycle' thing. Anyone got any kids that can sing? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-85232 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:48:46 +0000 DaveC 85232@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>SRD, one of our local MPs is Gordon Brown. I didn't immediately think of that transport guy... wots-his-name... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-85231 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:42:23 +0000 Instography 85231@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Smartypantses. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-85220 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:38:26 +0000 crowriver 85220@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Might be better starting off "Dear Mr. Salmond". Then he sends a memo to Mr. Brown marked "Action required" saying "Keith, do something, will you?"</p> <p>In my daydreams, anyhow. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-85216 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:21:26 +0000 SRD 85216@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Keith Brown? Minister for Transport. (or did I miss something??) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-85215 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:17:32 +0000 DaveC 85215@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Mr Brown?? Are you living in a time warp Steven or just addressing your letter to a local MP? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-85198 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:31:03 +0000 Instography 85198@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's like that Never Seconds thing. No politician with an ounce of sense wants to mess with kids. If they don't get it right they get flayed alive. There's not enough photos of unhappy children with little signs. Even better, a little choir singing, "I want to ride my bicycle, I want to ride my bike, I want to ride my bicycle, I want to ride it where I like". Seriously, there's not. No one really cares about adults - they should be able to look after themselves but there's no politician who wants to be taken seriously who can ignore a child. Never mind adults putting postcards in pillar boxes, how about kids writing letters to Keith Brown...</p> <p>Dear Mr Brown. My teachers tell me I need to be active to stay healthy. I love to ride my bike but my mum and dad won't let me go to school or to the shops on my bike unless they come with me. They are scared that I'll get hurt in the traffic. Please fix it so I can ride my bike safely. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-85190 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:05:27 +0000 Min 85190@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Meanwhile in <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-19591718">Llandrinio</a> it takes a 10 year old girl to do something about people speeding through her village. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-81847 Mon, 20 Aug 2012 11:11:14 +0000 crowriver 81847@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Meanwhile more kids are kept in, driven everywhere and getting fatter.</em></p> <p>Yes.</p> <p>The whole situation is so FUBAR that it's almost as though a huge global industry was lobbying to keep things as they are so they can make more money. Surely not!</p> <p><em>I have no problem with cynically using children to focus the discussion of road safety.</em></p> <p>Neither do campaigners for faster, 'safer' bypasses. <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=7362">At least in Scotland that's how it works</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-81842 Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:55:31 +0000 Instography 81842@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I believe it's still the case that (apart from road 'accidents') children are more likely to come to harm due to family or 'friends' than random strangers."</p> <p>Indeed. At the risk of derailing the thread entirely, I remember after the shootings in Dunblane arguing that if the intention of banning handguns was to protect children, they'd do better to ban parenthood since that's where the greatest danger to children lies.</p> <p>But back on topic. I think the argument has become completely different from the 1970s. We're making the same basic argument: our roads should be safe enough for a child to use them unsupervised, but we're making it not in a context of huge numbers being killed but large numbers being injured and, more importantly, almost all children being denied the opportunity to play and transport themselves safely under their own steam.</p> <p>I have no problem with cynically using children to focus the discussion of road safety. It works. I've had pretty constructive exchanges with the people in Fife Council by structuring everything around the question of how my son should cycle to school. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-81841 Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:55:21 +0000 Min 81841@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The only problem I have with such things (and I can understand why it's done this way, cos kids are very emotive etc.) is it kind of suggests the life of an adult isn't as important to campaign about (though campaigns are not mutually exclusive of course, and if you make streets safe for children they should be even safer for adults who should have better road/common sense).</em></p> <p>I agree but I also think that children are disproportionally(sp?) affected. Both for the reason Insto described above (not allowed out to play because the roads are too dangerous) and also because children run out in front of cars. It is what they do. Taming the roads will not stop them being hit but if there are fewer cars there are fewer incidents and if speeds are lower then the incidents that occur will be less serious. And <em>maybe</em> if there is less of a "get out of my way" attitude because cars are at the bottom of the food chain, there will be fewer hit and runs? Quite a few of us have been hit and run.. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-81836 Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:44:06 +0000 chdot 81836@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Colinton Road would be such a great candidate for segregated infrastructure" </p> <p>Yes - might manage to sort the road surface at the same time!!</p> <p>Talking of Colinton Road, this was yesterday - he's 'just popped out to the shop' -</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/7814221456/"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8296/7814221456_fa957cc6b7.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/7814221456/">Nice parking</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-81834 Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:39:27 +0000 SRD 81834@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Colinton Road would be such a great candidate for segregated infrastructure. it's huge, runs past schools, unis and the tennis centre. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-81830 Mon, 20 Aug 2012 10:34:00 +0000 alibali 81830@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Bax: are you on twitter? Regular reports of this gross speeding, with the name of the street, and the council's official #edtravcyc hash tag, may prompt some action.</em></p> <p>Not if you live on a street that's seen as relieving congestion on a main route you won't.</p> <p>Your councilor is unlikely to put any significant pressure on the officials concerned and the officials are invested in the status quo. Your milage may vary (and I hope it does), but that's the case in Craiglockhart. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-81818 Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:41:21 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 81818@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>... it surely shows how much of an uphill struggle we've got when people who ride bikes in traffic are wary of campaigning for change by highlighting needless deaths because that's anti-motorist</em>"</p> <p>I'd agree with that. It's surely 'anti-child-death' rather than 'anti-motorist'?</p> <p>In much the same way that drink drive campaigns are anti-drink-driving rather than anti-motorist. I still remember, as a kid, the public safety film with the kid throwing his frisbee into a sub-station. Never saw the ad as anti-frisbee, or anti-electricity. Simply highlight something that is dangerous and which is killing lots of people, and it might then get better.</p> <p>The <em>only</em> problem I have with such things (and I can understand why it's done this way, cos kids are very emotive etc.) is it kind of suggests the life of an adult isn't as important to campaign about (though campaigns are not mutually exclusive of course, <em>and</em> if you make streets safe for children they <em>should</em> be even safer for adults who <em>should</em> have better road/common sense).</p> <p>Using children in this way could be seen as cynical; but the Dutch have shown it's pretty damned effective. A politician is never going to want to come across as condoning killing kids. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-81814 Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:35:20 +0000 chdot 81814@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Most of it is children being kept away from roads - not walking or cycling because it's too dangerous."</p> <p>Also because of 'fear of danger' - which isn't quite the same thing. </p> <p>A whole lot of 'stranger danger' paranoia has been built up over recent years when there was little evidence of increased risk. I believe it's still the case that (apart from road 'accidents') children are more likely to come to harm due to family or 'friends' than random strangers. </p> <p>Meanwhile more kids are kept in, driven everywhere and getting fatter. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-81809 Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:18:17 +0000 Instography 81809@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>No, the two figures aren't comparable. That's why I wanted to see how many children were dying in Britain not the KSI figure because I know most of the KSI figure is serious injuries. </p> <p>The comparison would be the 55 deaths compared with the population adjusted equivalent of the Dutch rate from the 1970s of 1,592. We're a million miles away from the Kindermoord. Of course, only some of that is positive improvements in safety. Most of it is children being kept away from roads - not walking or cycling because it's too dangerous. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-81804 Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:01:55 +0000 cc 81804@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Instography: that is shocking. :-(<br /> The Netherlands in 1970 had a population of about 13 million (says the internet) so, just multiplying that by 60/13, you get 1,592 deaths. Your actual figure of 2,412 is slightly more than 50% greater than this. Our child death rate is over 50% higher than the one which made the NL do a U-turn in transport policy.</p> <p>Bax: are you on twitter? Regular reports of this gross speeding, with the name of the street, and the council's official #edtravcyc hash tag, may prompt some action. It certainly gets councillors' attention.<br /> (Not that we should have to resort to twitter to get our public authorities to work for us, but this seems like a vaguely effective method - there has been the occasional sighting of law enforcement on Causewayside since I started moaning about the QBC on twitter, and I've had a reply from a councillor.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-81803 Mon, 20 Aug 2012 09:00:24 +0000 Instography 81803@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I couldn't find the split between child deaths and serious injuries last night. In 2010, across Great Britain, there were 55 child deaths and 2,400 serious injuries on the roads. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-81784 Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:45:19 +0000 Instography 81784@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It seems like a fairly reasonable request: can we please stop running over children?</p> <p>But should we gather up all the cases and data? Hmm, ponders, hmm, hell yes. But mainly for the cynical reason that the only road safety strategies that have any impact are those where drivers are made to feel like shits for killing a child. </p> <p>In the 1970s when the Stop de Kindermoord campaign started, 345 children were killed on Dutch roads. In 2011, there were 2,412 children killed or seriously injured on GB roads. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-81781 Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:15:48 +0000 minus six 81781@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I live on a 20's plenty street.</p> <p>Joe public typically drives past at 30-45 mph</p> <p>The boy racers go past at 50-60mph</p> <p>No 20mph limit enforcement by the cops, ever. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-81780 Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:13:51 +0000 Dave 81780@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Although I don't disagree with it being a bit morbid, it surely shows how much of an uphill struggle we've got when people who ride bikes in traffic are wary of campaigning for change by highlighting needless deaths because that's anti-motorist.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8212#post-81779 Sun, 19 Aug 2012 22:49:30 +0000 cc 81779@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Being against children being killed does NOT mean being against motorists. </p> <p>Rather, we need changes (to roads, laws, enforcement) so that drivers of motor vehicles and bicycles are guided into behaving safely. Into cooperating and coexisting rather than competing for road space. </p>