http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: crossing - Recent Posts en Sun, 17 May 2026 13:06:39 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11953#post-227683 Thu, 18 Aug 2016 00:16:14 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 227683@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't think bikes are allowed on trams in Switzerland either, certainly not on weekdays. Or in Holland either, for that matter (not officially anyway).</p> <p>Not that it makes the Great Wall of Gogar any more right... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11953#post-227669 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 21:25:00 +0000 HankChief 227669@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dunno </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11953#post-227668 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 21:23:22 +0000 chdot 227668@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"but if you come from a country without these restrictions on public transport"</p> <p>How many of those are there? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11953#post-227666 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 21:18:22 +0000 HankChief 227666@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Agreed, but if you come from a country without these restrictions on public transport it will catch you by surprise. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11953#post-227665 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 21:05:43 +0000 ih 227665@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>...and not at all during the festival. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11953#post-227664 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 20:56:13 +0000 chdot 227664@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"wouldn't let her bike on the tram"</p> <p>Only allowed outside peak hours. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11953#post-227656 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:53:45 +0000 HankChief 227656@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I came across a Swiss visitor at Maybury this morning. She was perplexed on how to get to the airport and whether she was allowed or felt safe enough to cycle on the A8.</p> <p>I got her follow me round the gauntlet that is the southern path of the Gogar Roundabout and set her on her way.</p> <p>It's pretty embarrassing infrastructure - without any protection for the vulnerable - I felt pretty ashamed to have to show a visitor it.</p> <p>To make matters worse, the reason she was cycling that bit was the conductor wouldn't let her bike on the tram. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11953#post-187863 Thu, 07 May 2015 15:03:57 +0000 HankChief 187863@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@edd1e_h Thanks for sharing. It seems to me there is confusion between 2 separate but important questions</p> <p>1. What access rights and how good is the connection for cyclists when the station is open?</p> <p>2. Same question but for when the station is closed.</p> <p>Saying you don't want a 24hr shared use path should only impact q2. No reason why we shouldn't have a good route for q1 which will be when most people will be using it anyway. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11953#post-187858 Thu, 07 May 2015 14:49:41 +0000 neddie 187858@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>For previous background, see also DdF post: <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14631#post-185565" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14631#post-185565</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11953#post-187857 Thu, 07 May 2015 14:48:54 +0000 neddie 187857@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Whether the new Gogar Station will actually provide a direct route under the A8 at Maybury remains to be seen</em></p> <p>Dear Councillor Burgess,</p> <p>GOGAR ROUNDABOUT UNDERPASS TO NEW STATION</p> <p>Thank you for your e-mail, dated 22 April 2015, regarding the above issue forwarded from your constituent, _____.</p> <p>During the Planning Application process the Council requested that the underpass be made shared use for cyclists and pedestrians. However, the applicant (Network Rail) argued that the quality and security of the station would be reduced by permitting cycle use 24 hours per day. These arguments were accepted by the Council – more detail can be found in the report to the Planning Sub-Committee.</p> <p>It should be noted that the Council has required good quality cycle access to the end of the subway from the A8 path in order to ensure that any inconvenience to cyclists is minimised (details of this can be found on our Planning Portal). We will also make contact with the new ScotRail franchise holder to discuss whether there is still any potential to permit cyclists to use the subway.</p> <p>I hope that you find our response helpful.<br /> Yours sincerely<br /> Brian Sharkie<br /> Strategic Planning Manager </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11953#post-138210 Fri, 27 Dec 2013 23:43:10 +0000 HankChief 138210@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>Apart from RBS, there's nothing on that opposite side of the bypass from Maybury to access on the south side of the A8.</em></blockquote></p> <p>Apart from the cyclepath heading further West...</p> <p>The cyclepath on the North side isn't complete between the RBS bridge and the Airport Road. This is one of the deficiencies of the current cycle infrastructure as it adds to quite a bit of time to a Newbridge-Gogar commute.</p> <p>Coming back to the Gogar Roundabout, if you are coming out from the Gyle, you still have a difficult crossing of the Eastbound exit slip which has near continuous traffic most of the time. (the alterntaive to get a completely safe route is to use the multiple pedestrian crossings at the Marriot Hotel/ Maybury Casino - but that is very convoluted and adds about a mile!)</p> <p>And when you do make it to the 'safety' of the cycle path on the North side, you face 3 separate problems in little more than half a mile before you cross back to the South side.</p> <p>1. <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11930">Tram Depot Entrance</a></p> <p>2. <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10194">Castle Gogar Entrance</a></p> <p>3. An increased number of foot passengers walking up and over the RBS bridge (once the trams start working)to negotiate.</p> <p>Time will tell what the improvements to the cycle path next year will be - They should be published in advance of implementation to allow for comments. Some previous discussion <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11303#post-127584">here</a></p> <p>And then we have them digging up the A8 again to put in a pedestrian only underpass into the new Edinburgh Gateway Interchange, which <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1687#post-16611">Spokes said </a><blockquote><em>The planned Gogar rail/tram station will have a vital A8 pedestrian underpass: crossing a dreadful road, and a potential cycle link to Edinburgh's International Business Gateway, the airport and more. But, despite 28 objectors and pleas from council transport planners, the underpass is to be get off and push, it leads only to the station (with no direct link to existing paths) and it is to close at night.</em></blockquote> (Someone will keep me right if this has changed since then)</p> <p>Yes, to make safer more welcoming infrastructure is harder and more expensive to retrofit, but the more that councillors get to see the impacts of their or their predecessors decisions the more hope we can have for the future... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11953#post-138198 Fri, 27 Dec 2013 19:51:25 +0000 kaputnik 138198@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good for you - personally I think the foot/cycle crossing at the northern junction of the Bypass onto the roundabout is a hiding to nowhere and indeed should be removed. Apart from RBS, there's nothing on that opposite side of the bypass from Maybury to access on the south side of the A8.</p> <p>Pragmitacally, I think they should spend any available funds improving access on the alternative (and much safer) north side of the A8. Unless that is there's money for a bridge, in which case, I'm in!</p> <p>Alternatively, they could get together with Edinburgh park and properly surface the most northernly right of way underpass of the bypass and link it at either end (either through, or around the field). The right of way is established enough that they had to build the underpass in the first place, but it simply leads into a field with the light use of the dog walker and adventurous rambler keeping a rough and vaguely defined path going. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11953#post-138194 Fri, 27 Dec 2013 18:44:13 +0000 emuir 138194@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I made contact with Edinburgh City Council with regards to the cycling provision for those attempting to cross the Gogar Roundabout, specifically heading West along the A8.</p> <p>I commented on the dangerous pedestrian crossing along the South side of the roundabout for it required the leap of faith (hoping cars use their indicators when turning of) and the difficulty in crossing when there's a steady stream of cars.</p> <p>The response from the council was that it would be too expensive to implement a traffic controlled crossing as money could be better spent elsewhere and so they intend on putting better signage to direct cyclists to use the shared use pass on the North side. I then replied pointing out that this was not convenient and that the elderly would find it difficult to use the bridge at the RBS and finally mentioned that this is not what the Dutch would do. The response from that was a story about how the Dutch got their infrastructure and that if the road layout changes in years to come then they will consider putting traffic signals in. My final reply was to then suggest improving the crossing at the Maybury junction for crossing there required navigating multiple pedestrian crossings.</p> <p>The actual letters can be found here: <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xpn072zgrumckrd/-JkYqaiayz" rel="nofollow">https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xpn072zgrumckrd/-JkYqaiayz</a></p> <p>Overall it was heartening to see that Edinburgh City Council is taking inspiration from the Dutch but simply adding signs does not sound good. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123956 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 11:46:12 +0000 crowriver 123956@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>There was a thread in the past tenuously linking the class system with driving. The rich had horses and buggies whilst the poor walked and were expected to keep out the way of their betters, the assertion was this mind set had carried through to the current car culture. </em></p> <p>Which is indeed the case. Until some time in the 1960s only the wealthy could afford private motor vehicles. Think Mr Toad charging around the countryside n his new toy...</p> <p>I think the undue deference to motor vehicles (with internalised, surly resentment) is not unique to these islands, but I've only seen similar awe/fear of cars in the transition economies of southern and eastern Europe. Much of northern and western Europe instead seems to give pedestrians priority on urban streets and roads. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123955 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 11:24:15 +0000 Min 123955@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Looks as if Norwich desperately needed a pavement widening scheme.. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123954 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 11:20:30 +0000 Coxy 123954@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was watching this earlier (use to live in Norwich):<br /> <a href="http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/908" rel="nofollow">http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/908</a></p> <p>It's a POV car trip through a city in the 50s. The speeds are pretty low, peds wander the streets, bikes abound. Have a look and see what you think. It looks like bliss! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123951 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 11:14:20 +0000 steveo 123951@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There was a thread in the past tenuously linking the class system with driving. The rich had horses and buggies whilst the poor walked and were expected to keep out the way of their betters, the assertion was this mind set had carried through to the current car culture. Compared with some continental countries where peds just wander over the road and it is frowned upon to hit them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123949 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 11:09:32 +0000 SRD 123949@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Min - not suggesting we should tell kids to run out into traffic</p> <p>but that we've been infantifilised.</p> <p>we mainly do 'road safety' as pre-school kids, maybe some as primary school, so the messages are all aimed at kids. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123947 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 11:05:45 +0000 Min 123947@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Young children are not renowned for their fantastic ability to judge the speed and distance of things. Therefore better for them to wait for the green man.</p> <p>People are only 'meek' to drivers because we all bow down to the great god Car. Cf the difference between driving (peds wait until you are past before crossing) and cycling ( peds just walk out in front of you). </p> <p>IMHO Walking out in front of people is rude, I don't do it to other peds while walking either. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123946 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 11:04:13 +0000 sallyhinch 123946@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And that is why zebra crossings are so bloody brilliant and should be on every street corner. Unfortunately an excess of caution means there are none at all in Dumfries </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123943 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 10:36:49 +0000 SRD 123943@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was ruminating on this on the way in - surely the reason that pedestrians are so meek is that we are all taught road safety as if we were children? </p> <p>so we are trained not to walk on a red man, even though at a toucan crossing we are allowed to cross. we are taught not to step out at junctions, even though rule 170 says we can,.etc etc</p> <p>no one ever tells kids that 'red man' is advisory or that they have the right to be on the carriageway, because we don't want them running out. but this leads to things that are legal and safe for adults to do being frowned upon. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123940 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 10:29:23 +0000 sallyhinch 123940@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>yes plus one on training the child, although I will mutter something about how ridiculously long we have to wait and what a disgrace it is - can't have children growing up thinking that waiting for cars is the normal way of things and pedestrians should know their place </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123937 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 09:42:19 +0000 crowriver 123937@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Legally pedestrians can cross anywhere they like, so long as it is safe to cross. Unlike in some other countries, there is no jaywalking offence or similar. So there is really no obligation to wait for a green man. Of course it is good manners to wait, and if I'm with my children (or there are youngsters nearby) I will wait. Otherwise, if the road is clear, I'll cross regardless of having pushed the button. If I don't use the green man someone else might. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123935 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 09:36:52 +0000 steveo 123935@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>We're pretty sure that the pedestrian crossing along from the Robertson Avenue junction on Slateford Road is synced with the lights at the junction itself </em></p> <p>It definitely is, I'm there used to be a proper pedestrian crossing there (many moons ago) but it was replaced probably for traffic flow reasons. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123933 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 09:33:08 +0000 wingpig 123933@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"I do try to wait if there is a person training a small child..."</em></blockquote></p> <p>+1, even when it means it can take five minutes to get all the way across multipart junctions like Montgomery St/Leith Walk. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123925 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 08:37:46 +0000 fimm 123925@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We're pretty sure that the pedestrian crossing along from the Robertson Avenue junction on Slateford Road is synced with the lights at the junction itself (although it isn't very close to the junction). It only gives a green man when the lights for traffic coming from that junction along Slateford Road have gone red. This means you can wait ages for a green man (though once he does show up, you get the longest green man phase ever...) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123923 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 08:15:52 +0000 Min 123923@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Eddie H for First Minister!</p> <p>I don't agree with automatic button pressing whether there is someone coming or not because it just means if there is not, the person just crosses straight away and then the lights go red and motorists/cyclists have to wait for no reason. But since you could be waiting for a stupid amount of time, if the light does not change and there is a gap, I will just cross.</p> <p>I do try to wait if there is a person training a small child, though half the time if I wait, they just drag the kid across the road with the red man leaving me standing there like an idiot. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123921 Thu, 05 Sep 2013 08:09:32 +0000 crowriver 123921@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@eddie_h, I like your proposal!</p> <p>@sallyhinch, I agree, I do that too on a point of principle. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123908 Wed, 04 Sep 2013 21:30:41 +0000 sallyhinch 123908@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wasn't there a village that was sick of some big A road going through it who made their point by continually pressing the button on the crossing and crossing all day long (I assume they had some sort of shift system) and causing enormous tailbacks. </p> <p>Given that most of our crossings are two-parters and it takes about five minutes to complete the circuit, if I see a gap I go for it whether I've pressed the button or not. It's the only little bit of power we pedestrians have left (that and messing with the minds of drivers on zebra crossings) I'm not going to give it up </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11058#post-123906 Wed, 04 Sep 2013 21:29:38 +0000 neddie 123906@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have a better idea:</p> <p>The lights normally stay at red for cars in all directions and the green man is showing in all directions. The first car to arrive at the junction winds down their window and presses the button. The cars then wait for up to 2 minutes before the lights go to green.</p> <p>The lights then go back to pedestrian phase again first, before allowing any cars that may have arrived at the crossing road to get green. </p>