http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: fashion - Recent Posts en Thu, 21 May 2026 10:40:24 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639&page=2#post-365408 Sat, 17 Dec 2022 23:00:26 +0000 LaidBack 365408@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>A modern 'mass' bike...<br /> Hub gears<br /> Belt drive<br /> Hub brakes (as they need little work)<br /> Hub lighting or 'solar mudguards' (© LB Technologies 2010)</blockquote></p> <p>Nuvinci hub mentioned back then too - Enviolo is used on many E-cargo bikes. Many are belt drive models.<br /> I expected neat step through designs to outgrow recumbents although ageing population has kept recumbent trikes relevant.<br /> The Paper Bicycle was one good 'step through' design - sold a handful. Interestingly the Glasgow based designer Nick Lobnitz reckoned the Urban Arrow 'borrowed' his design of a double tubed 'cage' around the bottom bracket &amp; chainring. Bike espionage at Eurobike? (Nick does freelance bike design for a few brands - R&amp;M Birdy makeover was one of his. Used to come round shop and rode a Paper Bicycle with his dog Luna on front rack at first POP.) I had never really expected e-assist to take off - if only the Paper Bicycle had been electric. Once Bosch &amp; Shimano got going with bottom bracket motors then everything changed.<br /> Gazelle shows what can be done to make a comfortable bike for everyone... but at a price.<br /> VanMoof do style + integration with finance type deals (Cowboy copy now spotted).</p> <p>Future bikes that people can afford? Decathlon worth watching...? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639&page=2#post-365383 Fri, 16 Dec 2022 18:05:42 +0000 chdot 365383@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Interesting question. </p> <p>A simple answer is, perhaps, "none". The last few years has demonstrated diversity. </p> <p>…</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-15945" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-15945</a></p> <p>I’ll stick with what I wrote </p> <p>EXCEPT ignored rise of electric, cargo and, <em>especially</em>, both. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639&page=2#post-365381 Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:51:47 +0000 Arellcat 365381@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>So my prediction for the 2010s is mainly utility:</p> <p>* an amalgamation of folding bike thinking using cheaper multi-speed hub gears, Kevlar brake and gear cables, and either 26" or 24" wheels; and<br /> * much greater market penetration of the electric bicycle: motor assist, with a wiring loom for regenerative braking, lights and navigation.<br /> * I also think we'll see hydraulic systems adopted by road groupsets for brakes, and by the MTB/offroaders for gears.</em></p> <p>All in all, not too bad a prediction!</p> <p>We still like cables for gears on MTBs, whereas roadies have gone for electric derailleurs. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1650#post-16280 Mon, 08 Nov 2010 22:28:47 +0000 kaputnik 16280@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One was me by mistake :( </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1650#post-16279 Mon, 08 Nov 2010 22:26:08 +0000 Smudge 16279@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>OOh now this is more interesting, a couple of votes for brakeless fixies, come on then, explain the benefit/s to me (no really, I am *honestly* interested to hear opinions I intuitively disagree with, I may or may not change my opinion, but I'd like to hear the arguments either way) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1650#post-16277 Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:42:32 +0000 kaputnik 16277@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes I think the 25% is an extreme bit on the down (up) on the Braithwaite side. It's hard to compare with the X-border 100 as we went up and over Whinlatter the "easy" way - i.e. up the long tail and down the steep head of the incline. All seemed plenty tough lugging the paniers and tourer though, made full use of the sub-1:1 ratio that the triple offered! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1650#post-16275 Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:16:28 +0000 LaidBack 16275@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1409/1430119228_db9fa16f5b.jpg"></p> <p>Right - I can see that now. So does it make the cross-border challenge ride seem easy then? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1650#post-16191 Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:18:03 +0000 PS 16191@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I didn't realise Whinlatter had a 25% section - I've cycled up and down it on the Lorton side and it's a relatively easy trundle - I take it it's a fairly short bit of 25%? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1650#post-16190 Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:36:05 +0000 kaputnik 16190@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>the Whinlatter Pass</p> <p>I'm not sure where that is... must be South of here?</em></p> <p>Indeed. Gets you between Cockermouth and the Western Lakes on one side and Keswick and the Derwent Valley on the other. Drops (or climbs, depending on which way you tackle it) 1,000 feet in the last (first) 2 miles.</p> <p><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1409/1430119228_db9fa16f5b.jpg"></p> <p>It says 25% if you zoom in on the original! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1650#post-16189 Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:31:53 +0000 wee folding bike 16189@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Fixed wheel bikes are nice to ride and teach you a good pedalling action but you can't stop with the back wheel. Even if you can lock it up you'll just skid.</p> <p>People complain if you say it's more connected however I don't mean any kind of zen thing there I just mean if you slow down the pedals the bike will slow down... but not in a hurry. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639&page=2#post-16188 Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:03:41 +0000 LaidBack 16188@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The VSF T400 Rohloff equipped bikes with Son + B&amp;M lights, rack + Magura offered great value and finish in the 'bike with a future' category. Then prices went up and these 'do-it-all' bikes became less attractive.</p> <p>Since then I've been looking at Simpel.ch<br /> <a href="http://fr.simpel.ch/velos/trekkingbikes_tourenvelos.html">Range from Simpel in Switzerland</a></p> <p>These all come with everything... some interesting gearing options too. Latest improved Wegwärts Nu-vinci gears plus roller brakes, hub lights, rack guards, internal cabling. Just reviewed in Velo Vison.</p> <p><a href="http://fr.simpel.ch/velos/ww/nuvinci_360/hommes.html">Simpel Nuvinci</a></p> <p>Not sure what people think of Shimano BR-IM80 Roller Brake. Carrera Subway 8 used these as well (Half***s)<br /> Is a hub brake better for a 'bike of the future'? </p> <p>Wegwärts Nu-vinci reviewed in new copy of Velo Vision mag. Even basic versions of their models come with hub lights.</p> <p>I love the Simple site... in French or German only at moment.<br /> Has great items like<br /> <em>Multiplication - Rapport total de 244% </em><br /> So you know overall gear range </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1650#post-16185 Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:38:42 +0000 LaidBack 16185@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>the Whinlatter Pass</em></p> <p>I'm not sure where that is... must be South of here?</p> <p>(I can hear the cries of you don't know Whinlatter Pass is?? - I'm maybe not alone though.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1650#post-16184 Sun, 07 Nov 2010 19:13:07 +0000 Kim 16184@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It is just fashion, then you get <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/49194391@N00/4589942438/">fashion victims like this</a>... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1650#post-16174 Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:44:15 +0000 kaputnik 16174@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I tried my one gear bike in fixed mode and it didn't agree with me. On our appalling road surfaces sometimes I <strike>like </strike>need to stand on the pedals and coast as I go over yet another tarmac minefield and sometimes I <strike>like </strike>need to stand on the pedals and bunnyhop to get out of a potential buckled wheel when a gaping pothole appears from nowhere infront of me.</p> <p>I rarely used my back brake until I did my first cycletour on Friday. I had replaced the front blocks on the tourer but think I mustn't have bought good rubber. I kid you not I was generating smoke coming down the Whinlatter Pass with both brakes hard on and screaming and still doing over 20!</p> <p>Coming down from Hartside in the dark, mist and sleet, being constantly blinded by cars going the other way and refusing to dip their deathray headlights was another interesting experience in staying alive. All good fun though! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639&page=2#post-16136 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 18:56:56 +0000 wee folding bike 16136@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Arellcat,</p> <p>My Roadster came with mudguards. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16111 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 15:16:33 +0000 Cyclingmollie 16111@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>chdot: "New thread anyone?" <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1651&amp;replies=1#post-16110">New thread</a> started. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16103 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:41:08 +0000 Dave 16103@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hydraulic shifters would be amazing. You'd need two little pipes inside the housing (one for 'in', one for 'out' - unless there's a much cleverer idea). </p> <p>You'd never need to worry about them. The first time I had to touch the front brake on my recumbent was when the pads wore out after 2500 miles, and I haven't touched them since! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1650#post-16100 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:36:11 +0000 Dave 16100@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think it's circular. People don't use the front brake because they're worried about going over the front. Then, when they do need to stop in a hurry, they grab both brakes, have no idea what's going on and fly over the handlebars.</p> <p>Bikes with only a front brake might dismiss the 'over the bars' meme once and for all? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16095 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 12:21:05 +0000 LaidBack 16095@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>In general bike shops make money from 'add-ons', but if you sell bikes in large quantities must be more cost effective/profitable to get such things fitted in a far east factory.</em></p> <p>Or a Netherlands one too. My own experince of 'building' a far east 'retro' bike was that all items were on hand and fitted quickly. Items also matched nicely - aesthetics are important. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16090 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 11:42:57 +0000 chdot 16090@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Brighton Place was the best/worst example"</p> <p>Haven't been there for a while but certainly was pretty bad. </p> <p>My worst is probably Drummond Place (esp Scotland Street to London Street). </p> <p>New thread anyone? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16088 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 11:30:07 +0000 Cyclingmollie 16088@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We had a couple of staff over from the Netherlands. They both commented on how odd it seemed that people in Edinburgh all seemed to ride mountain bikes. One spent weeks hunting for and eventually finding a "Dutch" bike. The other said she would never cycle among such aggressive drivers as those she saw here. Perhaps Edinburgh is an unusual case because of the amount of cobbles and hills but I think wide tyres and low gears are always going to be part of a good Edinburgh bike whatever happens elsewhere. Personally I found that a narrow tyred road bike prevented me from using some cobbled roads (Brighton Place was the best/worst example). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16086 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:53:15 +0000 Arellcat 16086@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A tourer with swept-back handlebars and no mudguards. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16083 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:38:18 +0000 chdot 16083@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What's your definition of roadster? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1650#post-16082 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:34:47 +0000 chdot 16082@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"It's because in the US, they have this bizarre idea that the back brake is the important one. There are whole fleets of bikes braked purely by rear coaster brakes."</p> <p>Two things there -</p> <p>Many people have memories/fears of going over the handlebars because of putting on front brake hard. This is usually kids because the are lighter and get so frightened they don't let go of the brake lever!</p> <p>Coaster brakes are 'normal' outside the UK - don't know 'cultural' reasons for <em>this</em> local anomaly. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16081 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:33:22 +0000 Arellcat 16081@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ok, I'm paraphrasing the decades, but to me:</p> <p>1950s - black sit up and beg, some roadsters<br /> 1960s - Moulton mk1/mk2 (suspension)<br /> 1970s - British tourer, or Raleigh Shopper/20/etc (solid build)<br /> 1980s - BMX, some MTBs (lighter weight, new metals)<br /> 1990s - MTBs (new brakes/gears)<br /> 2000s - Hybrids, MTBs, folders (utility, disc brakes, some electrics)</p> <p>So my prediction for the 2010s is mainly utility:</p> <p>* an amalgamation of folding bike thinking using cheaper multi-speed hub gears, Kevlar brake and gear cables, and either 26" or 24" wheels; and<br /> * much greater market penetration of the electric bicycle: motor assist, with a wiring loom for regenerative braking, lights and navigation.<br /> * I also think we'll see hydraulic systems adopted by road groupsets for brakes, and by the MTB/offroaders for gears. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16077 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:18:59 +0000 chdot 16077@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"For example, out of 36 "comfort" bikes listed on the EBC website just 11 have mudguards"</p> <p>It was an even smaller ratio last year which I also found really surprising from EBC. </p> <p>In general bike shops make money from 'add-ons', but if you sell bikes in large quantities must be more cost effective/profitable to get such things fitted in a far east factory. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1650#post-16074 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:07:43 +0000 Dave 16074@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's because in the US, they have this bizarre idea that the back brake is the important one. There are whole fleets of bikes braked purely by rear coaster brakes.</p> <p>I rode my now sadly stolen fixed-wheel with just the front brake, because when I got it I found using the rear brake while spinning my legs furiously made me very unstable and almost jerked me off a couple of times. </p> <p>Naturally out of interest I often experimented to see how much I could ride without using the front brake at all, and my conclusion is that brakeless riders are either nuts or just don't ride hard in traffic. I mean, I would happily ride a brakeless fixed bike across town, if I had to - but it would be very slowly compared with my usual self. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16073 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:02:55 +0000 Dave 16073@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In broad terms, it's probably fair to say that cycling in the UK currently takes its cue from either branch of sport cycling - road or MTB.</p> <p>Neither really compels as an answer to every-day cycling. So, as (if?) that grows in its own right, you'd expect to see diversification to cater to that market.</p> <p>I think we've already seen quite a lot of this, with the rise of the hybrid, but still manufacturers are surprisingly unwilling to make the kind of bikes that people need:</p> <p>For example, out of 36 "comfort" bikes listed on the EBC website just 11 have mudguards. It's unimaginable that anyone would buy a "comfort/utility" car which was a soft-top with no roof supplied. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1650#post-16071 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:56:59 +0000 chdot 16071@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Clearly 'we' all know it's illegal to cycle on UK roads without two brakes. Fixed wheel counts as one. </p> <p>This fashion came largely from US couriers where fixed braking is (apparently) legal - in certain states(?)</p> <p>I knew someone who rode fixed and never locked his bike on the basis that if (and indeed when) it was stolen the thief would fall off nearby when they stopped pedaling...</p> <p>Personally (especially in Edinburgh) I have never found the idea of only one gear attractive. </p> <p>The idea of not being able to freewheel seems bizarre. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16070 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:44:57 +0000 Smudge 16070@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>eyethankyou.. :-D </p>