http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: Glasgow - Recent Posts en Wed, 13 May 2026 01:53:08 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19554#post-307798 Thu, 30 May 2019 18:28:33 +0000 davecykl 307798@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Only just seen this thread…</p> <p>Yes, it is probably strategically useful to object to the TROs, as it makes things more awkward for the council, and they'll have to spend time (and therefore money) dealing with the objections.</p> <p>(And, as you have pointed out, changing the lanes from advisory to mandatory sadly isn't really gaining very much: no protection from other traffic, and selfish idiots will probably still park in them anyway. Maximise the embarrassment for the council (and the University of Glasgow), as you have been, by getting media attention for how they are letting cyclists (and their current and future students) down.)</p> <p>Back in the day, Go Bike managed to successfully negotiate for quite a lot of (originally not included) improvements to the Route Action Plans (for Maryhill Road, Victoria Road, etc) by holding out and formally objecting until quite late in the process (this is, umm, a while ago now, and I can't now remember quite how much pushing we did, but the fact that dealing with objections would have delayed implementing the projects by some time did give us quite a good negotiating position.</p> <p>And, yes, I have signed the petition. Don't forget to ask Glasgow cyclists to also contact their councillors as well, that can really help to make a difference. Good luck! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19554#post-307794 Thu, 30 May 2019 17:58:58 +0000 Adnerb 307794@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Petition initiated by GoBike for safe / decent / segregated / protected cycle infrastructure on (Glasgow) University Avenue, as part of the (call me climate emergency pioneer) uni's £1 billion new development - <a href="https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/make-university-avenue-safe-for-cycling#signature-form">here</a></p> <p>Please share with any/everyone you know who cycles in Glasgow or would like to. Sign too, of course (maybe Glasgow addresses are better?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19554#post-304926 Wed, 17 Apr 2019 18:11:59 +0000 Adnerb 304926@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks @fimm, I saw mentions of the press reports of that research, but the horse's mouth abstract is much better. So 4x4s pass closer than cars and buses pass closer than 4x4s (do drivers position themselves 'comfortably', rather than the nearside of the vehicle?) and marked bike lanes induce a mean passing distance close to the bus average (wonder if buses pass even closer when there's a painted line, shudder). And the proposed University Ave painted lanes are only 1.5m...</p> <p>@daisydaisy, definitely tempting. There has been a well publicised human bike lane, a month or so ago. I've wondered about an 'endless cycling chain' up and down and up and down at going to work time on pre-PoP Friday, but they've started the roadworks already (with ironically helpful coned off bike lanes in pics someone posted), I need to go and have a look before deciding to buttonhole some social media connected person. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19554#post-304912 Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:23:47 +0000 daisydaisy 304912@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How about a PoP event on university avenue? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19554#post-304804 Tue, 16 Apr 2019 08:47:12 +0000 sallyhinch 304804@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah Fimm pipped me to it </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19554#post-304803 Tue, 16 Apr 2019 08:46:28 +0000 sallyhinch 304803@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think there was some research out recently about that (narrow bike lanes being more dangerous) - have seen it floating around on Twitter but not had a chance to have a look </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19554#post-304802 Tue, 16 Apr 2019 08:43:47 +0000 fimm 304802@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@rbrtwtmn you may not have the numbers, but <a href="https://road.cc/content/news/259204-painted-cycle-lanes-result-closer-passes-motorists-finds-study">somebody else does.</a><br /> Here's the actual article, rather than a report on it:<br /> <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0001457518309990?via%3Dihub" rel="nofollow">https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0001457518309990?via%3Dihub</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19554#post-304798 Mon, 15 Apr 2019 23:33:51 +0000 rbrtwtmn 304798@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Something simple, but worth saying out loud...</p> <p>Narrow cycle lanes make a road more dangerous to cycle on than if they weren't there at all.</p> <p>I can't prove that numerically - but hope that others on here would agree (which itself adds weight to the point I think).</p> <p>A nice point is that the (enlightened parts of the) police and many others have been using 1.5m minimum (at slow speed) as a passing distance. Rather than quoting cycle lane widths, I think it is helpful to ask "how does a lane of X metres wide help to make this happen"? That's not a technical question, but one that any old member of the public can answer. I like taking such things out of the technical sphere and appealing to ordinary public common sense (yes I know). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19554#post-304790 Mon, 15 Apr 2019 17:50:08 +0000 Adnerb 304790@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Many thanks, still waiting for the TRO (or whatever) to appear, we'll get our most powerful quote-all-the-policies hats on and follow your advice.</p> <p>@sallyhinch, a glorious idea, so far they appear to have a very high bar for embarrassment - able to spout total rubbish with a completely straight keyboard - waiting for the sleeting particles of inspiration to strike. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19554#post-304710 Fri, 12 Apr 2019 20:19:53 +0000 Morningsider 304710@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hi Adnerb - this is a belter! Generally, a TRO deals with issues around the movement of vehicles on a road, while a redetermination order deals with the reallocation of road space for the exclusive use of one type of road user. There are also the lesser known designation orders for parking places and another for setting speed limits other than the national default.</p> <p>Naturally, there are different procedures for making TROs/parking place/speed limit orders and redetermination orders. These procedures are over 30 years old, sparse and pretty opaque.</p> <p>Just to make it even more confusing. Pedestrian crossings are technically counted as traffic signs and, as long as they meet certain design requirements, can be installed without much in the way of consultation or authorisation procedure.</p> <p>What does this mean for you. Well, there is no "right" way to object to a TRO (which is generally used to describe all of the above orders). I would suggest:</p> <p>1. If there is more than one order then lodge separate "objections" to each.<br /> 2. Specifically state that you are objecting - the regulations only require the Council to consider objections.<br /> 3. Explicitly state what you consider wrong with the proposals, particularly how they disadvantage cyclists.<br /> 4. Tie your objection to as many local and national policies as you can find - focus on the Local Transport Strategy, but feel free to chuck in anything relevant from the Regional Transport Strategy and even the National Transport Strategy if you are feeling keen.<br /> 5. Emphasise that you are keen to see cycling improvements, but have been forced by the nature of the TRO process to formally object.</p> <p>As well as the formal process, contact councillors on the Committee considering the TRO - let them know how you feel, imply you are surprised that cities such as Manchester seem to be stealing a march on Glasgow with their plans for cycling (never underestimate civic and political rivalry as a driving force for change).</p> <p>Let me know if you need anything else - I could go on about mandatory cycle lanes, reallocation of road space etc. Really - wait, come back... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19554#post-304640 Thu, 11 Apr 2019 19:23:38 +0000 sallyhinch 304640@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Alternatively, find ways to embarrass the hell out of them about the claim that a line of paint counts as segregation. Once either the university or the council sufficiently wants change, all objections about it being 'too late' or 'subject to TRO' or there not being an R in the month will magically fall away </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19554#post-304631 Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:27:38 +0000 Adnerb 304631@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oooh, a nod from the great IWRATS! Thanks, I'll do as you suggest. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19554#post-304613 Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:38:23 +0000 I were right about that saddle 304613@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hi @Adnerb!</p> <p>Your post isn't being ignored - we're just all waiting for @Morningsider to give you chapter and verse. I suspect they're away on holiday so could be a wee wait - bump the thread up next week maybe? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19554#post-304571 Wed, 10 Apr 2019 18:16:15 +0000 Adnerb 304571@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Long-time lurker from Glasgow here, many thanks for all entertainment and information. Can the long and deep collective CCE experience provide some suggestions for the best response to a TRO in the following situation:</p> <p>A main road with bits of Glasgow Uni on each side (University Avenue) is about to have work done, supposedly to make the route fit for the uni's expansion onto the adjoining (now-ex-)hospital site. University Avenue is a link between Byres Rd and Kelvingrove park. Byres Rd is about to get City Deal megabucks spent on it, including (fingers crossed) segregated cycleways after massive effort by campaigners.</p> <p>University Avenue is uphill from both Byres Rd and Kelvingrove, currently has advisory (broken white line) cycleways on the uphill sides, both with double yellow lines, routinely ignored. The plans for University Avenue focus on wider pavements for pedestrians (good) wider crossings for pedestrians (good), and after protracted email exchanges with the council and the uni by GoBike, 'upgrading' of the advisory cycle lanes to mandatory. </p> <p>The uni and council are passing responsibility between them, claiming the plans are too far on to be changed and that they were widely consulted on (evidently without telling any cycle campaigners, Sustrans, or the Byres Rd consultation). The council has been saying for weeks that a TRO for the changes will be published any time now.</p> <p>We expect it to be about removing a handful of parking spaces, possibly about the crossings (not sure if they fall under TRO stuff), and - now - putting in mandatory cycle lanes. </p> <p>It's my understanding that they can move kerbs wherever they like without any regulations being involved, is that right?</p> <p>And is it sensible (or valid, in TRO-speak) to object to the change to mandatory cycle lanes because they ought to be segregated? Is there a way to register the massive loss of opportunity this represents (not to mention the coach and horses galloping through the uni's active travel 'commitment' for the extended campus) via the TRO process?</p> <p>Sorry this is so long, if you're still reading, be amazed that the latest wonder has been the uni's attempt to use Glasgow's 'Strategic Plan for Cycling' as the authority for its claim that 'segregation' for cycling includes painted lanes, both solid and broken... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15757#post-204632 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 16:33:06 +0000 chdot 204632@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Garnethill feels like the edge of the world now."</p> <p>Own little world?</p> <p>Even has its own literature. </p> <p><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garnethill" rel="nofollow">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garnethill</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15757#post-204630 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 16:20:30 +0000 Cyclingmollie 204630@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It must have been wonderful walking from Sauchiehall Street to Charing Cross via Garnethill before the M8 was built. Garnethill feels like the edge of the world now. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15757#post-204628 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 15:52:32 +0000 kaputnik 204628@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's not really "reclaiming" motorways if they're still there though underneath. Effectively it's sticking a green roof on top, like putting solar panels on the roof of a coal power station. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15757#post-204627 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 15:48:46 +0000 cb 204627@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strong>Glasgow could get greener by reclaiming its motorways</strong></p> <p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/scotland-blog/2015/nov/16/glasgow-could-get-greener-by-reclaiming-its-motorways">http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/scotland-blog/2015/nov/16/glasgow-could-get-greener-by-reclaiming-its-motorways</a></p> <p>That's the title of the piece, but creating a skate park under the M8 and a park above it doesn't seem much like reclaiming.<br /> Still good ideas though (particularly the park).</p> <p>"<br /> The M8 proposal, one of 80 projects being studied for a wholesale rejuvenation of the Sauchiehall and Garnethill area, would see a section of the motorway covered in a tunnel with a public garden built on top<br /> "</p> <p>Also -</p> <p>"<br /> The proposals also call for the redesign of Sauchiehall Street, one of Glasgow’s main shopping and nightlife hubs, as a tree-lined avenue with enlarged pavements and dedicated cycle lanes.<br /> "</p> <p>With an artist's impression of the new look Sauchihall Street. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10683#post-117604 Wed, 10 Jul 2013 21:51:36 +0000 wee folding bike 117604@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hmmm, so Bath St is currently closed at N Hanover St. Bikes, busses and taxies now have to use Killermont St to go west. This is making west bound Cathedral St slow. I even tried to get round it (on a bike) by going up via Port Dundas a couple of weeks ago. It didn't help but I did see a lot of construction at the old Monklands canal wharfs. </p> <p>If they close the north side of the square then east bound car traffic has to go to Cowcaddens St or south to Clyde St and the obvious way to do that is… Renfield St. Ohh joy. </p> <p>It's obviously possible that people might leave their cars at home but it's been horrible for years and they still persist. </p> <p>I assume the ban in front of the Chambers will not apply to the provost and other worthy people. We know how much the provost enjoys being in a car. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10683#post-117601 Wed, 10 Jul 2013 21:23:08 +0000 Arellcat 117601@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You have to forgive BBC Scotland for its inaccuracy, it's on the south side of the Clyde after all. The land to the north is probably full of dragons and volcanoes and things. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10683#post-117592 Wed, 10 Jul 2013 20:26:28 +0000 wee folding bike 117592@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I know BBC Scotland usually only cover football, murders and cute animal stories but even they should know that Glasgow is not in Tayside or Central. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10683#post-117567 Wed, 10 Jul 2013 16:08:46 +0000 kaputnik 117567@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-23256210" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-23256210</a></p> <p>Private cars could be banned from the north side of George Square under plans drawn up by Glasgow City Council.</p> <p>The proposal would see a bus gate opened to reduce traffic in the area by up to 70%.</p> <p>Roads bosses also plan to ban all vehicles, except bicycles, from the section of George Square in front of the City Chambers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10478#post-114805 Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:25:30 +0000 Coxy 114805@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>People park in the segregated lane! Really?!</p> <p>You must NOT key the cars - that would be terrible. Really terrible.</p> <p><a href="http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=69258">Terrible</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10478#post-114798 Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:09:23 +0000 sallyhinch 114798@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>NI Greenways in Belfast do regular surveys of parking in the bike lanes (they pick a day and get people to send in camera footage from their route to work). So far they've had no actual enforcement response from the council, but maybe something for Glasgow cyclists to try and shame the council into action? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10478#post-114790 Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:41:44 +0000 Calum 114790@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yup, they bump over the kerbs. And obviously there are gaps in the segregation at side roads, so they nip in there as well. The cycle tracks are just wide enough for a car. This happens even on stretches of the route where there are designated car parking places on the other side of the street - i.e. almost all of it. Sheer laziness and selfishness. I'd like to see the council carry out enforcement with cameras like they already do with bus lanes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10478#post-114779 Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:56:08 +0000 fimm 114779@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's a photo of proper segregated cycle tracks with a kerb - too narrow, of course, but I assume cars can't park in them? Or do people bump over the kerbs? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10478#post-114748 Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:46:49 +0000 wee folding bike 114748@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is a lot of height gain on that.</p> <p>I wanted Groucho, Harpo and Chico as the statues.</p> <p>I'll have a bash when it opens but I don't think I'll be a regular user, not very keen on heights, I don't even like the Expressway -&gt; Kingston Bridge car lane as it's level with the building roof. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10478#post-114740 Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:49:15 +0000 Calum 114740@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's going to be a good piece of infrastructure. The cycle tracks have been open for a while - there are even cycle-specific traffic lights at the junctions, which is nice.</p> <p>Unfortunately, the cycle tracks are frequently obstructed by drivers, who feel entitled to dump their vehicles wherever they like, and this inevitably results in you having to dismount and walk around them. Some of the bollards that used to line the cycle tracks are gone already because drivers have crashed into them. Requests for intervention by traffic wardens are met with complete indifference. It would never occur to me to suggest that people who are inconvenienced like this should key the offending cars - certainly not. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10478#post-114727 Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:52:49 +0000 cc 114727@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/magazine/229412-glasgow-bridge-to-nowhere-to-open-as-a-new-cycle-lane-over-the-m8/">http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/magazine/229412-glasgow-bridge-to-nowhere-to-open-as-a-new-cycle-lane-over-the-m8/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9420#post-99147 Tue, 05 Feb 2013 13:48:01 +0000 Claire 99147@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Haha, hi Alex! Small world :) </p> <p>Yes, fingers crossed Ross has some luck with this. The rarity of the bike will hopefully be of help to him. </p> <p>I'd be gutted if my bike got stolen, and it's just a battered and beaten old hybrid worth about £50. Poor guy! Fingers crossed the interwebs comes to his aid. </p>