http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: Home Office Deportations - Recent Posts en Sun, 31 May 2026 18:09:13 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17481#post-243869 Thu, 02 Mar 2017 17:22:58 +0000 LaidBack 243869@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If you are a member of the RSGS your next edition of the <em>Geographer</em> magazine is on a crime theme.</p> <p>This is extract from one of the articles. Too late to change now as printing right now.</p> <p>Extracts from<br /> <strong>Dungavel, detention and deportation<br /> </strong> Dr Monish Bhatia, Lecturer in Criminology, Abertay University; Dr Victoria Canning, Lecturer in Criminology, The Open University</p> <p>"As the year progressed, the overall objectives of Dungavel’s closure became murkier. Rather than ending detention in Scotland, and finding suitable ‘non-custodial’ alternatives, the Home Office wanted to replace it with a “short-term holding facility” near Glasgow Airport (replicating the one near Manchester Airport). People would be based at the key point of exit – more easily and expediently moved down to England and less able to obtain support from networks like the Scottish Detainee Visitors, Scottish Refugee Council, Unity Centre and legal advisors. It became obvious that the Home Office was not focused on finding non-coercive community based approaches to ‘managing’ migrants and people seeking asylum, but rather making them easy to move.<br /> Once shifted to south of the border, migrants are out of the Scottish jurisdiction, which makes it extremely difficult to keep up with legal aspects of the case; as one asylum support worker put it, “In England it would be impossible for people to get a Legal Aid lawyer. In Scotland we still have a strong Legal Aid system... if you are returned to Dungavel you can get your lawyer to do stuff... in England you have to go down the private route.” The private route is expensive, which<br /> people in the system simply cannot afford."</p> <p>From the Spring 2017 <em>Geographer</em> ©RSGS (If you want to read the rest you have to be a member. Their talks prog is very good btw).</p> <p>Irene Clennel's case has seen the cross border switch made in reverse. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17481#post-243863 Thu, 02 Mar 2017 15:15:49 +0000 ih 243863@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Agree Frenchy.</p> <p>This is what passes for British values these days.<br /> <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/02/grandmother-tells-of-deeply-humiliating-deportation-from-uk" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/02/grandmother-tells-of-deeply-humiliating-deportation-from-uk</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17481#post-243824 Thu, 02 Mar 2017 10:14:34 +0000 Frenchy 243824@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>There is something unBritish about sending this woman back</em></p> <p>I think there's something <em>very</em> British about deporting Irene. It's utterly contemptible, but it's definitely not "unBritish". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17481#post-243816 Thu, 02 Mar 2017 09:45:33 +0000 LaidBack 243816@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Link again to his E News piece as wasn't quite right. 50 signatures required.<br /> <a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/gerry-farrell-kick-out-theresa-may-not-irene-clennell-1-4378978" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/gerry-farrell-kick-out-theresa-may-not-irene-clennell-1-4378978</a></p> <p>Meanwhile a similar situation with Robert Makutsa from Glasgow. He's been moved over border to detention centre in Colnbrook. This means he's cut off from his Scottish legal aid. Local MP Carol Monaghan has stepped in but HO say they can detain this man for as long as they like. He had lived here for some time, worked as a sound engineer and was about to get married.<br /> Check press for more background. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17481#post-243810 Thu, 02 Mar 2017 00:01:07 +0000 Ed1 243810@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well pay level in its self does not determine if you are a net contributor, tax and benefits received may in a crude way. However benefits are often calculated in a simplistic way, such as "benefits" received JSA, housing benefit tax credit. These are simple as received in clear numbers. Although housing benefit does not consider if living in subsided house such as council or associate, this uncalculated benefit. </p> <p>There is also other things such as education, health care which possibly less well costed.<br /> ( also you have to convert to the market rate, to cost which is possibly just an estimate if no market its what it would cost if there an effect market, so cant just use what things cost or otherwise inefficiency or government manipulated costs either such as through supply regulation skew the true picture think of housing costs on benefits as classic example)<br /> However something things no one even attempts to cost.</p> <p>Imagine a Russia oligarch moved to the uk, and takes no tax credit, what are the security cost worth to begin with the more assets you have the more subsidized you are in effect all things being equal? What if they take legal action against another what are the cost subsides worth? Court costs are highly subsided. No one considers these in the calculations, people choose the accessible figures but these may not always show the full picture.<br /> What if someone works protected industry such as law, or state employment or union employment and paid above the "market rate" the figure they are paid is in part a subsidy this is not considered. In effect government regulated employment such as law is effectively like a tax a cost through regulation. Yet no one measure this so many variables no one considerers. Someone may work for 18k in food processing a competitive largely unregulated area of employment and make the contribution greater than say a protected or government job if you discount the subizededs from protection or political overpayment.</p> <p>What is the market rate for an MP? the criteria they like to apply on the lowest people? Well as people would probably pay to be an MP its in the minus most likely. However one may argue well what of standards what standards?, in the classic thought you get what pay for , but what is an uncompetive industry such as politics, where selection controlled by parties not a great deal.</p> <p>Someone would have to apply a multiplier benefits to GDP bring from the persons input employment income does not for reasons such as stated above, Tax and benefits would have to be adjusted to real rates Guess this and would have to adjust benefits first to a guess of market rates. As such manipulated economy would be difficult instead get simplistic nonsense using to little data on government accessible unadjusted figures.</p> <p>What if someone has a non-job in government ( or protected through reg same diff) a job that does not provide any benefit to anyone just a cost, that pays 19K and someone else has a job at 18k in non government supported job that creates 3 times their salary in that GDp, who gets deported? May be Australia does it on wage but who cares what they do its worse to cycle there than here is it not?</p> <p>There is something unBritish about sending this woman back the rest is just in my opinion BS after the fact to justify a silly policy dodgy arbitrary figures that don't really mean anything </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17481#post-243807 Wed, 01 Mar 2017 23:38:59 +0000 Baldcyclist 243807@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I disagree with this deportation, but isn't the pay level designed to ensure you can financially look after a dependent?</p> <p>I can see the point in such policies during an imagration process (many countries Canada, Australia, others do this) to ensure new-comers aren't a drain on the state. But when you've lived Ina county, and contributed for a generation, nonsense! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17481#post-243805 Wed, 01 Mar 2017 22:48:21 +0000 Ed1 243805@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is something fundamentally wrong with this policy, as someone could earn 18K could pay more tax than someone earning 40k. If paid in dividends and innovation credit could earn much more and pay less tax. </p> <p>So why is pay relevant, even if the criteria was based on tax paid which I may disagree with could understand the thinking. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17481#post-243799 Wed, 01 Mar 2017 21:39:02 +0000 LaidBack 243799@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Gerry Farrell asks for your support. EU related indirectly as this sets tone for all non British born residents.</p> <p>Flashed on front page of E News today seen on counter of my local shop. His article is forceful and articulate.</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/</a><br /> gerry-farrell-kick-out-theresa-may-not-irene-clennell-1-4378978</p> <p>Petition here.<br /> <a href="https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/deport-theresa-may-to-singapore" rel="nofollow">https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/deport-theresa-may-to-singapore</a> </p>