http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: knackered - Recent Posts en Wed, 13 May 2026 02:07:21 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=6#post-54665 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:44:56 +0000 steveo 54665@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think its the hills being south. To me hills are north of here! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=6#post-54644 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:47:02 +0000 cb 54644@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I'm always making that north/south error in Edinburgh. I think it's something to do with the map-derived assumption that "up = north", so moving uphill from the coast feels like heading north. "</p> <p>I'm with you on that. I've always struggled with north and south in Edinburgh and I'm sure it's hill related too! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=6#post-54640 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:41:00 +0000 kaputnik 54640@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@laidback </p> <p>funnily enough was walking through Bristo Square at the weekend and we watched the skateboarding and BMXing yoofs practicing their stuff. We both agreed that it was far better that they were out doing that rather than sitting at home on Xbox or hanging around in bus shelters or Primarks. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=6#post-54638 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:38:07 +0000 SRD 54638@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>PS - ever been to Egypt? I always get this backward when talking about 'up the nile'. to a northerner, it feels like it ought to be north, but of course it is south, and the delta/med is north.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54637 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:37:42 +0000 LaidBack 54637@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Further thought on the 'Cyclists Dismount' sign original topic.<br /> </em><br /> <strong>'No skateboarding'</strong> signs appear when enough people skateboard in a location.</p> <p>A 'Cyclist dismount' sign is a sure indication that there are enough cyclists using the street to need a discouragement. All in all a healthy sign reflecting increasing cycle numbers!</p> <p>More helpful would be a sign encouraging cycling (with care). Princes St must rate as several times safer than George St - only pedestrians and workers + vehicles with warning lights. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54636 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:36:13 +0000 PS 54636@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm always making that north/south error in Edinburgh. I think it's something to do with the map-derived assumption that "up = north", so moving uphill from the coast feels like heading north. That, or I'm just plain dumb. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54634 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:24:30 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 54634@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh good grief, what is it with me and this path and mixing up north and south?!?!? *off to beat myself about the head with a track pump* </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54620 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:51:29 +0000 cb 54620@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Had a check this morning and I was wrong about the south MMW lights"</p> <p>Er, <em>north</em>! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54617 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:45:51 +0000 kaputnik 54617@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I wonder if you could argue that it was one crossing due to the fact the two sets of lights (pedestrian, cycle) are all wired up together and controlled by one button? They cannot operate independently, as in you can't have the silly situation where one is at green and the other isn't. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54611 Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:07:47 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 54611@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Had a check this morning and I was wrong about the south MMW lights. Pics attached - it <em>is</em> a separate crossing for bikes, so as far as I can tell they're also mandatory to stop at as the pedestrian (button press) crossing is separate (even though pedestrians and bikes cross at the same time, they're not 'mixed' on the same crossing).</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpuddinonnabike/6764545131/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7005/6764545131_81959c6b2d.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpuddinonnabike/6764545131/">Untitled</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/blackpuddinonnabike/">blackpuddinonnabike</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54535 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:17:39 +0000 SRD 54535@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I see vehicles - often vans - running these lights nearly every morning. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54533 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:06:25 +0000 LaidBack 54533@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>but the mass of metal relative to baseline.</em></p> <p>That's why steel bikes are good on this route then. Low down steel even better.</p> <p>Aluminium bike = long wait?</p> <p>Does seem to work if you cross over it more than stopping on it. Car drove straight through Argyle Place crossing when it was at green bike phase last night. Luckily I gave way with a few inches to spare - on Paper Bicycle with good lights. He saw me but wasn't for stopping. </p> <p>I reckon it's one of the more ignored junctions as Melville Drive can be driven quite fast. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54528 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:49:16 +0000 cb 54528@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_loop">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_loop</a></p> <p>Even has a photo of a bike lane. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54506 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:53:15 +0000 Dave 54506@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think if you move off it, it stops detecting you - it's not the motion but the mass of metal relative to baseline. That's why magnets apparently don't work either - it's not detecting a magnetic field. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54496 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:25:42 +0000 chdot 54496@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Coming from Argyle Place, the detector in the ground seems to work if you sit on top of it."</p> <p>Mmm interesting. </p> <p>I assumed detectors detected metal motion - so faster should mean more likely to get detected. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54495 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:18:28 +0000 wingpig 54495@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You're not allowed to cycle on the pavement but are allowed to cross the pavement to reach a designated cycle facility, or something like that. Could that conceivably be argued to apply at the MMW south crossing-button? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54493 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:08:15 +0000 cb 54493@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's a radar detector when heading south off the end of MMW. Can never work out how effective it is. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54491 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:03:22 +0000 Dave 54491@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Obviously nobody here cycles on the pavement to reach the button though - right?</p> <p>Unlike the dismount signs that aren't, you really aren't allowed to cycle on the pavement... can make for a long and lonely wait if no peds about. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54463 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:59:56 +0000 kaputnik 54463@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The South (Argyle Place) crossing has a button for the pedestrian crossing side but not on the bike crossing side (although the one button controls both sides) requiring a technical violation of cycling into pedestrian area and over pavement to reach the button.</p> <p>Coming from Argyle Place, the detector in the ground seems to work if you sit on top of it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54456 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:49:01 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 54456@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>D'oh! Getting my north and south mixed up - yes, that's the way I thought.</p> <p>So there isn't even a light for cyclists at the south? Odd since it crosses onto a short cyclepath over the central reservation there... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54454 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:47:27 +0000 Dave 54454@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How interesting - crossing <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=forrest+road+edinburgh&amp;ll=55.945355,-3.191013&amp;spn=0.013963,0.026135&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;fb=1&amp;hq=forrest+road&amp;hnear=0x4887b800a5982623:0x64f2147b7ce71727,Edinburgh,+Midlothian,+UK&amp;cid=0,0,5087028658971214379&amp;t=m&amp;z=15&amp;vpsrc=0&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=55.945328,-3.191184&amp;panoid=XhKusS4TDLPhvrBYgulslg&amp;cbp=12,146.93,,0,0">to the south</a>, there is no facility for cyclists at all (perhaps this means it's illegal to cross at any time, or that you can cross at any time).</p> <p><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=forrest+road+edinburgh&amp;ll=55.945355,-3.191013&amp;spn=0.013963,0.026135&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;fb=1&amp;hq=forrest+road&amp;hnear=0x4887b800a5982623:0x64f2147b7ce71727,Edinburgh,+Midlothian,+UK&amp;cid=0,0,5087028658971214379&amp;t=m&amp;z=15&amp;vpsrc=0&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=55.945328,-3.191184&amp;panoid=XhKusS4TDLPhvrBYgulslg&amp;cbp=12,354.69,,0,0">Going to the north</a>, there is a traffic light and you must stop (not advisory). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54443 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 10:04:49 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 54443@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As far as I know the north crossing has a button to push doesn't it?</p> <p>*off to check GoogleMaps* </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54414 Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:21:39 +0000 Dave 54414@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anth, I'm pretty sure that the N end of MMW is a type 81 too, or am I going crazy? (as in, it has a solid red light)?</p> <p><em>"So do you abide by the lights?"</em></p> <p>Going up MMW, yes (with the same caveat as before) but coming down, I often ride over the line to turn left. It depends on the positions of the peds, as I also ride over the former dropped kerb (the one that was accidentally removed).</p> <p>That's a fun thing to do, incidentally. If you want to turn left onto MMW at the north end but the light is red, stop at the lights. Once or twice I've done this to see whether I can get an uninvited draftee to do anything embarrassing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54411 Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:48:27 +0000 Stepdoh 54411@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What's the status of ones (like at RBS and airport dumbbell) that have green for cycles and peds, but only a pedestrian red? </p> <p>My take (as I run through them every morning) suggests that peds have to stop to press button, bikes keep going if safe. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54410 Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:47:50 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 54410@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Highway Code</p> <p>80<br /> Toucan crossings. These are light-controlled crossings which allow cyclists and pedestrians to share crossing space and cross at the same time. They are push-button operated. Pedestrians and cyclists will see the green signal together. Cyclists are permitted to ride across.</p> <p>(as per north end of MMW)</p> <p>81<br /> Cycle-only crossings. Cycle tracks on opposite sides of the road may be linked by signalled crossings. You may ride across but you MUST NOT cross until the green cycle symbol is showing.</p> <p>(as per south end of MMW) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54408 Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:45:51 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 54408@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>I'm not actually sure why MMW has traffic lights at the north end - it's most unusual. However, it's also very poorly observed compared with normal red lights - in my own anecdata, I notice an average of zero RLJ cyclists per day on my commute, but if I go via MMW, I expect to see people jumping at both ends (especially north).</em>"</p> <p>So do <em>you</em> abide by the lights? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54405 Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:36:58 +0000 Dave 54405@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If they are a Crossing they're advisory, if they are actual lights they're mandatory. So for instance MMW has traffic lights, not Crossing lights, but crossing Marchmont Rd is just a Crossing. (Maybe there's a better term than 'crossing'?)</p> <p>I'm not actually sure why MMW has traffic lights at the north end - it's most unusual. However, it's also very poorly observed compared with normal red lights - in my own anecdata, I notice an average of zero RLJ cyclists per day on my commute, but if I go via MMW, I expect to see people jumping at both ends (especially north). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54402 Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:33:47 +0000 kaputnik 54402@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>the south end of MMW crosses to/from a cut out specific cycle lane</em></p> <p>Not according to the Taxi driver I found across it in the summer using it to drop off and pick off passengers on an otherwise fully parked-upon MMW. He could not see the cycle lane, the dedicated crossing, the signs or the lines on the road that he was parked on, therefore he was entitled to block it for 2 complete cycles of the light. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54400 Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:16:57 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 54400@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From trying to remember my own reading, they are advisory if they share a crossing with peds (as the ped lights are advisory) but mandatory if they are technically a separate crossing (the south end of MMW crosses to/from a cut out specific cycle lane). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=4242&page=5#post-54399 Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:14:48 +0000 kaputnik 54399@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Perhaps you should have asked about a pedestrian/bike crossing (where the red light is shaped like a bike) - I do ignore them both on foot and on two wheels, since they are just advisory.</em></p> <p>Morningsider can confirm, but I thought that the bike crossing lights are not advisory but are obligatory? </p>