http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: London blogging politics - Recent Posts en Mon, 18 May 2026 02:15:45 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-280554 Thu, 19 Apr 2018 21:49:35 +0000 HankChief 280554@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not just relevant to London</p> <p><a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_DNNIB_PdaA&amp;feature=share" rel="nofollow">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_DNNIB_PdaA&amp;feature=share</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103768 Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:21:50 +0000 chdot 103768@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> BikeBiz (@BikeBizOnline)<br /> 11/03/2013 10:08<br /> Advocacy was the key to unlocking the Boris billion for London cycling </p> <p><a href="http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/advocacy-was-the-key-to-unlocking-the-boris-billion-for-london-cycling/014496" rel="nofollow">http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/advocacy-was-the-key-to-unlocking-the-boris-billion-for-london-cycling/014496</a></p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103529 Sun, 10 Mar 2013 09:32:53 +0000 SRD 103529@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks dave - your posts yesterday inspired me to actually write what I'dbeen thinking about! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103517 Sun, 10 Mar 2013 00:22:48 +0000 Dave 103517@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hmm, I think I may have tried to reply to you multiple times SRD, as I didn't realise it was moderating comments! Good post. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103513 Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:51:49 +0000 SRD 103513@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah. Totally. That's the point. They see it as this 'worthy' project, rather than as a political selling point. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103505 Sat, 09 Mar 2013 19:32:28 +0000 chdot 103505@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"but the Council and its officials need to get their heads around the idea that Active Travel can be a 'vote-winner' "</p> <p>Yep. </p> <p>Though 'improving conditions for pedestrians, bus users and cyclists' might play better than AT. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103504 Sat, 09 Mar 2013 19:14:09 +0000 SRD 103504@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My contribution: <a href="http://deceasedcanine.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/what-difference-between-london-edinburgh.html" rel="nofollow">http://deceasedcanine.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/what-difference-between-london-edinburgh.html</a></p> <p>hope it's vaguely coherent. written quickly while kids at the park. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103431 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 23:19:49 +0000 chdot 103431@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm sure she believes it. </p> <p>But incrementally too show. </p> <p>We need a stepchange. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103429 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 23:13:38 +0000 bdellar 103429@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So, on Twitter, I asked Lesley Hinds:</p> <p>&gt; You said you're scared to cycle in Edinburgh.<br /> &gt; The London plans aim to make cycling safe &amp; easy. Do yours?</p> <p>And she replied:</p> <p>&gt; Yes</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/branaby/status/310020468520407041" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/branaby/status/310020468520407041</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103416 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:22:35 +0000 chdot 103416@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Spokes CycleCampaign (@SpokesLothian)<br /> 08/03/2013 19:05<br /> #London v #Edinburgh bike cash </p> <p><a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/2013/03/london-v-edinburgh/" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/2013/03/london-v-edinburgh/</a></p> <p> #PoP2 @VoleOSpeed @CyclingSurgeon @AndrewDBurns @CyclingEdin @John_Lauder @carltonreid</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103413 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 19:08:39 +0000 chdot 103413@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Cycling Crossrail: First of many bumps in the road</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21716080" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21716080</a></p> <p>"<br /> Westminster Council turned down a cycling superhighway in 2008 due to the very same blue paint we see in the CGI.<br /> "</p> <p>Sounds familiar... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103396 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:31:25 +0000 SRD 103396@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Edinburgh doesn't have that economic incentive." </p> <p>It is still too easy to drive into Edinburgh, so our public transport is not as in demand as London. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103395 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:19:52 +0000 chdot 103395@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"more seats on the tube"</p> <p>That is the simply truth behind some of London's interest in improving cycle infrastructure. </p> <p>It's a lot cheaper per person/mile than more tube capacity. </p> <p>Edinburgh doesn't have that economic incentive. </p> <p>It remains to be seen if the tram (<a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8710&amp;page=10&amp;replies=276#post-103394">latest</a>) will be full often. </p> <p>It's hard to believe that the money spent couldn't have been used more beneficially on walk/cycle infrastructure... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103390 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:47:55 +0000 neddie 103390@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ha ha. That ABD website is so primitive, it looks like it was written by a child. The survey was written by the mind of a child too!</p> <p>LOL. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103381 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 14:37:07 +0000 crowriver 103381@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@PS, I hadn't spotted that. What a remarkably mean spirited response from IAM!</p> <p>Technically he's right, but the tone... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103378 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:48:10 +0000 PS 103378@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Some good stuff in here:<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/bike-blog/2013/mar/07/boris-johnson-future-london-cycling">http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/bike-blog/2013/mar/07/boris-johnson-future-london-cycling</a>]</p> <p>Including:<br /> "<br /> One of the very best elements of the plan outlined on Thursday morning by Johnson and his transport supremos is the way it emphasises that more cyclists is good for everyone: less road congestion, less smog, more seats on the tube, a city tilted that bit away from motor vehicles and towards human beings, however they might be propelled.<br /> " </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103377 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:44:26 +0000 cb 103377@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Friday afternoon fun with the ABD quiz.</p> <p><a href="http://www.abd.org.uk/quiz.htm">http://www.abd.org.uk/quiz.htm</a></p> <p>Sample question (can you guess the answer):</p> <p>According to Transport Research Laboratory report 323, which road user group is responsible for 84% of accidents which cause serious injury or death to a pedestrian?<br /> a) car drivers<br /> b) cyclists<br /> c) pedestrians<br /> d) lorry drivers </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103376 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:42:46 +0000 SRD 103376@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Myths are stubborn wee things. ...The one here is that driving's the fastest and so far it's resisted something as tiny as empirical repeatable unequivocal evidence to the contrary."</p> <p>Ask our neighbours who day after day pop their kids into cars at the same time as we leave our flat, only to arrive at school after us... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103374 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:29:56 +0000 PS 103374@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@crowriver</p> <p>From the link chdot posted yesterday:<br /> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21699623">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21699623</a></p> <p>Neil Greig of the Institute of Advanced Motorists welcomed changes to junctions and segregated cycle paths but said: "Any plan must improve safety for all roads and not just cycle superhighways.</p> <p>"Poor driver and rider behaviour occurs all over the capital and to limit the improvements to main cycling routes does not go far enough." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103367 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 12:52:33 +0000 cb 103367@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Myths are stubborn wee things"</p> <p>Fortunately I don't think there is any desire to drive arising from any religous myth. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103364 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 12:43:03 +0000 Uberuce 103364@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Myths are stubborn wee things. The angry Jack Russells of the thinking mind. The one here is that driving's the fastest and so far it's resisted something as tiny as empirical repeatable unequivocal evidence to the contrary.</p> <p>Another is that it's always extremely strenuous - this one is bad in hilly Auld Reekie and is temporarily true, for certain values of 'extremely'.</p> <p>I wonder how long the average time is, in human history, for Tribe A to look over at Tribe B, after they'd stopped throwing their daughters off the Sacred Cliff of Non-specific Deity Appeasement and suffered exactly no increase in natural catastophes, and a 100% reduction in artificial daughter-plummeting ones, and jack it in too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103360 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 12:28:22 +0000 crowriver 103360@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wait a minute, the mighty IAM (of Neil Greig fame) have not yet spoken on this matter! The assembled media awaits their pearls of wisdon... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103357 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 12:13:25 +0000 cc 103357@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Even diehards can change - a lot of them will cycle too once cycling has become the easiest and quickest way to get about.</p> <p>Of course some folk really aren't physically capable of it, but most people could manage, especially with a wee electric helper motor. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103351 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 11:29:25 +0000 chdot 103351@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> It It didn't really take 40 years in the Netherlands</p> <p>It is true that the Stop de Kindermoord protests occurred forty years ago, but it is not true that it took forty years for the Netherlands to achieve a level of infrastructure which was vastly ahead of what Britain has now.</p> <p>In fact, in 1981, just eight years after those protests, an article appeared in New Scientist praising what had been achieved and suggesting that the UK should copy.</p> <p>"</p> <p>Yeah, incremental is not enough. </p> <p>One reason I am <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9613#post-102741">planning another web site</a> is to look at actual routes and missing links - and places where bikes/peds have to wait 'too long'. </p> <p>There are plenty of threads on here highlighting/discussing the good/bad/ugly, I hope the new site will be a "record" of what needs to change and tracking any changes. </p> <p>Even this approach may be too incremental...</p> <p>I think the QBC and, now, possibilities for Leith Walk have made 'us' (and others) realise more is possible/necessary. </p> <p>It's not even really about 'us'. </p> <p>Most people on here can just about cope with the realities of the road. </p> <p>BUT there's a large element of 'we shouldn't have to' and a bigger factor of 'if more people are going to cycle things have to be MUCH better'. </p> <p>The fact that a few people started PoP last year is good. The fact that thousands turned out is great. The fact that there is something of a vision in London is great. </p> <p>It really isn't 'all about cycling/cyclists'. Even if we just want better infrastructure for <em>us</em> (individually) the spin-off of less/slower traffic and more people prepared to walk/cycle can only be good for everyone - apart from the diehard 'motorists' who don't walk/cycle (or have friends/relations who do/want to). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103347 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 11:00:23 +0000 cc 103347@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2013/03/what-do-we-want-gradual-change-when-do.html">What do we want ? Gradual Change. When do we want it ? In due course</a></p> <p>(I love the headline...) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103341 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:53:50 +0000 DaveC 103341@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Brian. "Are you the British Drivers Alliance?"</p> <p>John "F*** **f" We're the Alliance of British Drivers. . The British Drivers Alliance are over there" - points.</p> <p>Everyone "Splitters!". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103340 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:49:15 +0000 chdot 103340@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think CTC has 'seen the light'.</p> <p>Actually CTC 'embraced' campaigning, and adopted a less narrow/fundamentalist approach, some years ago.</p> <p>Individuals' views may differ... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103339 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:43:59 +0000 bdellar 103339@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Surely the CTC or some other vehicular cycling group have objected, no? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103335 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:34:28 +0000 chdot 103335@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yesterday's BBC London story IS on NOW (about 8 minutes long) - but only until 6:30 (and not on some/all? mobiles).</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01r28bt/BBC_London_News_07_03_2013" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01r28bt/BBC_London_News_07_03_2013</a></p> <p>Needs to be available on YouTube or somewhere. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9636&page=2#post-103334 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 09:29:32 +0000 fimm 103334@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And the AA chap (who is a cyclist too) said nice things about it, as did the RAC IIRC. The ABD are in a minority of one. </p>