http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: major road volumes - Recent Posts en Mon, 18 May 2026 23:04:41 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14607#post-184907 Thu, 02 Apr 2015 10:42:52 +0000 chdot 184907@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Part of Glasgow's problem is the unrestrained building of parking spaces in the city centre"</p> <p>And the climbdown on the workplace parking tax plan -</p> <p>After studying the responses to a consultation paper, ministers have decided to abandon the controversial proposal - but will press ahead with plans to introduce charges for motorists in congested cities and impose a workplace parking levy.</p> <p>Transport Minister Sarah Boyack has refused to comment ahead of a formal statement to the Scottish Parliament on Thursday.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/503408.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/503408.stm</a></p> <p>I think the finger points to Jack McConnell </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14607#post-184905 Thu, 02 Apr 2015 10:35:47 +0000 Tulyar 184905@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It affirms my (rare) driving experiences on long trips - I tend to depart Glasgow around 00.00-02.00 and often get to Carlisle having seen 10-15 other vehicles travelling South and equally little traffic coming North.</p> <p>Traffic volumes overall really have dropped off a cliff, even in Glasgow at Charing Cross, the roads will be locked in motor traffic at 17.00 and by 18.30 I can look almost 1 Km West along Sauchiehall St and not see a single moving motor vehicle.</p> <p>Part of Glasgow's problem is the unrestrained building of parking spaces in the city centre, and the resulting lock-up as the cars to fill them up all try and arrive or leave at the same time. Do the maths - say it takes each driver 6 seconds to get into the traffic flow on a street and underway - and around 20,000 of them all tray to do this at 17.00 with a limited number of outlets to feed them on to the M8 do 20,000 at 10 cars/minute (which is a bit optimistic IMO) = 2,000 minutes split over say 20 route-lanes out of Glasgow = 100 minutes = 1 hour 40 min of gridlock, discounting buses and HGV as a very small % of vehicle count. I rest my case.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14607#post-184734 Tue, 31 Mar 2015 16:54:30 +0000 Dave 184734@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>When you see these kind of figures, it makes you think the council's target of 20% cycle use does seem ludicrously optimistic, doesn't it? (For instance, using the figure for the A90, we'd need to see just under 9,000 people riding through the parallel Barnton path). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14607#post-184677 Tue, 31 Mar 2015 13:17:11 +0000 slowcoach 184677@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>from <a href="http://www.dft.gov.uk/traffic-counts/download.php">the raw count data </a>), the estimated changes in Gt Junction St appear to be based on 2 12-hour counts, 1 on 28/06/2002 and 1 on 02/10/2009, and in Ferry Rd (as far as Granton Rd) are based on 2 12-hour counts, 1 on 14/05/2001 and 1 on 07/05/2010. North Junction St showed less change but it only had one count, on 03/09/2008.</p> <p>The data wasn't meant to be reliable at such local level but to build up national estimates, with all the errors (each relatively small on a national scale) hopefully cancelling out at wider level. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14607#post-184641 Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:51:57 +0000 cc 184641@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@<strong>ih</strong> another possibility is tram works in Leith, the widespread road closures to move utilities. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14607#post-184617 Mon, 30 Mar 2015 22:33:09 +0000 slowcoach 184617@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm fairly sure that the annual flows are not counted each year at most sites. At some sites there is a steady trend (based on average national trends?), then a sudden jump (up or down) as the figures are corrected with a count that year.<br /> There is a file available from the DfT website with raw counts that shows when actual counts were taken, and other figures were factored after that, until another actual count is done.</p> <p>Also, see <a href="http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/map-application" rel="nofollow">http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/map-application</a> with more detailed counts although mostly only for trunk roads.<br /> Thinking more about this, the CBT growth/shrinkage map can't be reliable in many cases, as it is comparing 2 different sets of DfT figures, either or both which could well be wrong. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14607#post-184603 Mon, 30 Mar 2015 21:02:22 +0000 ih 184603@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anyone have any theories about what happened in 2009/10 that caused the traffic on Gt Junction St and Ferry Rd (as far as Granton Rd) to increase so much when the connecting road volumes went down? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14607#post-184600 Mon, 30 Mar 2015 20:43:15 +0000 HankChief 184600@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How about this...</p> <p>A9 Drummochter 6,813<br /> A96 Keith 6,005</p> <p>Hmmmm....</p> <p>Also</p> <p>M74 extension 71,927<br /> Surrounding roads - going up </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14607#post-184599 Mon, 30 Mar 2015 20:38:01 +0000 Stickman 184599@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"It means 15 vehicles a minutes pass the zoo each and every minute"</p> <p>An even more interesting statistic would be how many <em>people</em> pass each and every minute. Excluding buses, would it be many more than 15? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14607#post-184597 Mon, 30 Mar 2015 20:32:45 +0000 HankChief 184597@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If you click through on individual stretches of roads it gives you the number of AADT (Annual Average Daily Traffic).</p> <p>You have in the West for 2013:</p> <p>Forth Road Bridge 76,988<br /> A8 Airport 44,119<br /> M8 J1/2 63,131<br /> A71 Heriot Watt 15,789</p> <p>A90 Queensferry Rd (Davidsons Mains) 43,506<br /> A8 Corstorphine Rd 22,063<br /> A71 Gorgie Rd 26,458</p> <p>I ititially thought that they didn't seem very much but then I realised that it means 15 vehicles a minutes pass the zoo each and every minute. Big numbers... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14607#post-184596 Mon, 30 Mar 2015 20:12:01 +0000 gembo 184596@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah maybe, but with ten per cent less traffic on all the feeders to the hot spot? It is not perfect but it is interesting </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14607#post-184591 Mon, 30 Mar 2015 19:57:09 +0000 kaputnik 184591@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's not too hard to envisage an "Ocean Terminal Effect" or a "Fort Kinnaird Factor" on that map.</p> <p><em>Build it and they will drive.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14607#post-184588 Mon, 30 Mar 2015 19:33:48 +0000 gembo 184588@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting, though some sections of the bypass have increased whereas other sections have reduced? Same on A71?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14607#post-184587 Mon, 30 Mar 2015 19:22:21 +0000 HankChief 184587@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting map showing the change in vehicle volumes on major roads for last few years.</p> <p>Most Edinburgh arterial routes dropping but FRB and M8 increasing</p> <p><a href="http://bettertransportmaps.org.uk/map-traffic-2005-2013.html">http://bettertransportmaps.org.uk/map-traffic-2005-2013.html</a> </p>