http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: one way street - Recent Posts en Tue, 07 Apr 2026 13:56:50 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=4#post-163178 Sun, 24 Aug 2014 10:14:09 +0000 Tulyar 163178@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Had that beautifully in Mitchell Street Glasgow not long ago. Something was making it a bit busier with motor traffic than usual and a bright soul decided to overtake the queue driving on the cycle lane which I was riding along towards him - so I stopped and folded my arms. Got good support from the drivers who were behaving and using the road as marked. Eventually he gave in and had to reverse all the way back to Gordon Street. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=4#post-163105 Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:02:28 +0000 crowriver 163105@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Particularly when a van driver who hasn't seen the sign indicating it's 2 way for cyclists decides to move over and block the road because you're "going the wrong way"</em></p> <p>In those situations, just come a halt in the middle of the road, Mexican stand-off stylee. When the outraged comments come out the driver's window, simply quip with an innocent tone of voice "Oh, didn't you see the sign? Cyclists can go this way."Continue stand-off until driver pulls over or threatens you with violence, whichever be greater to the power of ten. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=4#post-163078 Fri, 22 Aug 2014 13:11:42 +0000 Chug 163078@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And a blind-crest bridge. With single yellow parking. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-163076 Fri, 22 Aug 2014 13:01:21 +0000 cb 163076@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Trouble with coming off at Viewforth is there are steps involved. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-163072 Fri, 22 Aug 2014 12:33:55 +0000 calmac 163072@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@gembo (et al) - I don't know Edinburgh very well, but on having a look at google earth I see I can come off at Viewforth and along there, at a cost of about 30 seconds maybe for making the turn up the slope and out onto the street. I'll probably do that in future.</p> <p>But my only reason for doing so will be PR for cycling. Same as why I never RLJ - It can frequently be done perfectly safely on a bike and without bothering anyone, same as on foot, but it gives tumshies some moaning ammunition, so I don't do it. </p> <p>In principle I have nothing against car drivers breaking rules of the road either, provided they are not increasing the risk to themselves or anyone else, or inconveniencing anyone. Trouble is, it's an incredibly rare set of circumstances for a car where that could be possible.</p> <p>Lots of the examples of rule-breaking cycling on this thread are due to infrasturcture designed for cars first, and bikes nowhere. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162811 Wed, 20 Aug 2014 11:18:03 +0000 kaputnik 162811@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>To be honest, it would be better car free, I dont feel particularly happy about turning into it 'against the flow' of cars its so tight at the Causewayside end.</em></p> <p>Particularly when a van driver who hasn't seen the sign indicating it's 2 way for cyclists decides to move over and block the road because you're "going the wrong way" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162790 Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:39:37 +0000 Nelly 162790@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sciennes House Place is similar, except that it has the cyclist exception. </p> <p>To be honest, it would be better car free, I dont feel particularly happy about turning into it 'against the flow' of cars its so tight at the Causewayside end. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162788 Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:31:43 +0000 Dave 162788@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Out of interest, do people think that the important thing is the legal position or the expectation / behaviour of drivers?</p> <p>By this I mean, suppose an 'except cycles' sign was tacked up on Leamington Road. It's still just as narrow as before and drivers will still expect to be able to turn in and sweep along it. The 'except cycles' sign doesn't really change anything material about the situation in terms of danger to other road users, whatever (you could potentially argue that there would be a difference in expectation but so many people ride up Leamington Road as it is that I don't think this is a very strong point). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162785 Wed, 20 Aug 2014 07:18:49 +0000 gembo 162785@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't disagree with calmac as I said, I used to take the route. But changed routes. Noticing that the route you pick may seem optimal but on stepping back has some flaws. The flaw for me being it is one way and other routes are available</p> <p>They are one way for cars for sure. Salisbury and leamington not dissimilar with respect to narrowness and parked cars.</p> <p>I think the Salisbury one is much more dangerous. I also do not think that cycling the wrong way up a one way street is the same as campaigning to have a cycle route put in. Not that anyone is saying it is. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162749 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 22:40:04 +0000 Snowy 162749@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I do agree with Calmac on the Leamington Road thing. By being able to go that way and thence straight up Leamington Terrace, you neatly join the Leamington Walk cycle path via the Toucan crossing on Bruntsfield Place. So for me it makes an awful lot of sense for cycles to be allowed to contraflow up the whole 100 yards of Leamington Road to make that link in the network.</p> <p>The alternatives aren't the end of the world, sure, although coming off early involves a carry up some steps I think, and dealing with Viewforth-blind-summit-bridge is a pain. Or, going round the whole block and doing the 3-sides-of-square thing round Lower Gilmore Place. </p> <p>Reversing the direction of Leamington Road would be another option. It's only one way because <strike>cars park all down one side of it</strike> it's really narrow, but it's very quiet, so the direction of car flow really makes no difference but could help cycles greatly. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162728 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:15:53 +0000 gembo 162728@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>no Thanks </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162725 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:09:47 +0000 chdot 162725@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"But I noticed how rigid I was on my route and changed it"</p> <p>So, something that works fine has to be changed - for change's sake? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162722 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:06:21 +0000 gembo 162722@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD nobody is perfect. I used to go the wrong way down that road too. But I noticed how rigid I was on my route and changed it </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162719 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:01:45 +0000 SRD 162719@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm with calmac That is the one road I always go the wrong way on too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162718 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:57:49 +0000 gembo 162718@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Leipzig looks to have the right idea. How do the former GDR people feel about reunification with FRG?</p> <p>See my poet about freedom on the Indyref thread </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162714 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:43:13 +0000 crowriver 162714@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Probably time for me to dig out <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10794">this thread on Leipzig again</a>. In this former DDR city of roughly the same population as Edinburgh, some very simple measures have made the streets much more cyclist friendly. This is how they do one way streets in Leipzig*:</p> <p><img src="http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img248/9805/rx6.jpg"></p> <p>Quote (from myself):<br /> "I kept noticing one way streets with exceptions for bicycles in the narrower streets of the old town. I like the use of the word 'frei' in this context. Here it would be 'Except bicycles', I prefer the German version."</p> <p>This is how they do shared use:</p> <p><img src="http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img849/3181/gv74.jpg"></p> <p>I think bicycles need to be 'frei' in Edinburgh too.</p> <p>Instead we get chicanes, gates, 'Cyclists Dismount' signs, cars parked in cycle lanes, and folk telling us off for 'salmon' cycling on one way streets.</p> <p>I wish we could be 'frei' instead.</p> <p>* - Notice also the entrance to an underground car park. Very few parked cars littering the city centre, mostly tucked away out of sight, underground. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162713 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:42:31 +0000 gembo 162713@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@calmac, come off before the lift bridge and cycle down the road a little? You seem a bit rule bound in your insistence on this wee street? Or if you need to use that wee street due to rigid route rules, you could push your bike, it is not far?</p> <p>No big deal, just harder to point out to drivers the error of their ways if they can point to within the brethren and say we just do what we fancy.? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162712 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:18:37 +0000 minus six 162712@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>May I confess here that I'm having no moral issues with making the illegal right turn from Princes Street Eastbound onto Lothian Road.</p> <p>The legal alternatives are preposterous for a bicylist. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162711 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:09:58 +0000 robyvecchio 162711@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's one way because of car parking, same as Salisbury Road. Another example of bending over to the car our old city centres.<br /> Reminds me of my hometown in Italy where the 19th century centre is just one big grid of one way streets because of that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162709 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:57:32 +0000 calmac 162709@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's plenty of space for two bikes to pass, but I don't think it's actually ever happened. </p> <p>I don't know why it's a one-way street, but given that it connects with a bridge over the canal, the first after a long gap, it's not exactly with bikes in mind. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162704 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:40:23 +0000 Edinburgh Cycle Training 162704@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>" If any cars come I stop and lean in."</p> <p>What do you do when cyclists come?" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162703 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:22:17 +0000 calmac 162703@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>When I go from the canal to Edinburgh Bike Co-op I go the wrong way up Leamington Road to get to Leamington Terrace. It's less than 100m and the alternative route is about three times longer. If any cars come I stop and lean in. In effect I treat it as a two-way street where oncoming traffic has priority. I cycle it fairly slowly in case a car appears suddenly and I spook them, or a pedestrian steps out.</p> <p>To be honest, it makes no difference to me whether it says in a book that it's illegal or not. If I'm not inconveniencing anyone in any way, I'm not not damaging anything and I'm not increasing any risks to me or to others, then how could it possibly matter?</p> <p>In Britain we are often thoughtless rule-followers, except for those rules than no-one follows, like speed limits. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162674 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:54:59 +0000 kaputnik 162674@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Sally - that's the prescription, not the diagnosis! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162669 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:19:47 +0000 SRD 162669@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>timely: "If people cycling are breaking the law, there’s a problem with the street"</p> <p><a href="http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/if-people-cycling-are-breaking-the-law-theres-a-problem-with-the-street/" rel="nofollow">http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/if-people-cycling-are-breaking-the-law-theres-a-problem-with-the-street/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162666 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:04:20 +0000 sallyhinch 162666@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>It's too short a journey to justify cycling as I'd have to get changed</em></p> <p>Diagnosis: need to buy a nice Dutch bike with a proper chain guard etc. No need to change, and N+1... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162658 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:25:56 +0000 chdot 162658@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"It's too short a journey to justify cycling"</p> <p>Never! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162647 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 12:51:23 +0000 rodti 162647@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Dave But would people use that muddy track in the park if there were cars coming towards them? :-P </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162645 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 12:15:02 +0000 Dave 162645@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>It doesn't however bother me that, as a cyclist, to do my commute from Strathearn Road to the Commie Pool that I have to take a quick detour up Causewayside and the Streets Preston.</em></p> <p>I can't say I've ever bothered to ride up there the wrong way either (in fact I avoid it going the right way too, in car or on bike - I prefer to rat run the residential streets down the hill).</p> <p>However, the nice thing about having a whole population to watch is that we can see that for a significant number of people, the "detour up Causewayside and the Streets Preston" is worse than riding up Salisbury road, otherwise they wouldn't do it. It's like when you look at a park and see a muddy track across the grass - if it's not the better option, people wouldn't be bothering to use it.</p> <p>What is done with that info is obviously open to debate :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162637 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:46:15 +0000 rodti 162637@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD Ah, I see! I probably don't really pedestrianise enough to be useful, I just walk the commute back and forth between Strathearn Road and the Commie. It's too short a journey to justify cycling as I'd have to get changed, but I sometimes ride on Fridays due to casual dress code. These days I cycle everywhere! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13306&page=3#post-162636 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:39:51 +0000 SRD 162636@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>LS was the pedestrians association. LS scotland is their scotland wing. Their former head keith irving now heads up Cycling Scotland. They were fairly cycle-friendly when keith was there. they want to emulate cycling lobby, as they see us as vociferous and effective. </p> <p>In theory they have local groups, but few of them are very active. I'm on the committee of the Edinburgh one, which we're trying to reanimate. </p>