http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: pedestrianisation - Recent Posts en Mon, 18 May 2026 17:28:27 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13315#post-162687 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 16:07:34 +0000 rodti 162687@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks twq, and apologies for double-posting! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13315#post-162664 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:51:28 +0000 twq 162664@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thread here: <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12983" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12983</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13315#post-162660 Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:30:34 +0000 rodti 162660@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Had my first trip down the recently pedestrianised George Street last night and was pleasantly surprised to find some new bike lanes in lovely fresh paint.</p> <p>Generally a joy to use but for the crap diversion around the Assembly Rooms (which left me standing bewildered at a dead end before noticing the subtle diversion sign).</p> <p>A couple of questions though:</p> <p>1) What's supposed to happen at the crossing at the Hanover(?) Street roundabout? The bike lane has dotted lines but no stop lines that I saw. I just carefully nosed out hoping for the best.</p> <p>2) What are you supposed to do at the St Andrews Square end if heading east? The bike lane in that direction suddenly veers onto the pedestrian island, but I've no idea where to go from there. I ended up gingerly rolling past some tourists standing waiting for the green man and onto the road where I waited (uncomfortably, beyond the traffic light) for the lights to change. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13281#post-162061 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:53:06 +0000 PS 162061@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"So remind me why did they move the RIE out to Little France?"</em></p> <p>The RIE is not just for Edinburgh - it needed to be accessible (especially by ambulance) for folk from the Lothians and the Borders.</p> <p>From the RIE website (with my bold):<br /> The Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh is a major acute teaching hospital. With a 24-hour accident and emergency department, it provides a full range of acute medical and surgical services for patients <strong>from across Lothian and specialist services for people from across the south east of Scotland and beyond.</strong> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13281#post-162059 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:45:35 +0000 chdot 162059@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"So remind me why did they move the RIE out to Little France?"</p> <p>Because in the 70s there was a particularly strong reaction to the 'inevitability' of the expansion of the (old) RI and demolition of (more of) Chalmers Street, Lonsdale Terrace, Panmure Place etc.</p> <p>Apparently it 'could' have gone to Cameron Toll (which might have made it more likely that the South Sub would have opened to passengers).</p> <p>"Why are they about to move the Sick Kids too?"</p> <p>Presumably a mix of 'combined campus', new building/facilities being 'better' and the idea that the existing site is 'worth a lot of money'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13281#post-162056 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:21:53 +0000 crowriver 162056@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Town centres are generally far easier to get to by foot, bike or public transport - so the environmental impact of people travelling to them is smaller.</em></p> <p>Indeed. So remind me why did they move the RIE out to Little France? Why are they about to move the Sick Kids too?</p> <p>Oh I forgot, "everyone" has a car, except for the people who don't (40% in Edinburgh?). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13281#post-162051 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:21:52 +0000 Morningsider 162051@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Stickman - Town centres are generally far easier to get to by foot, bike or public transport - so the environmental impact of people travelling to them is smaller. In addition, town centres provide more opportunities for local and independent businesses, as there are a far greater range of premises available to rent. These businesses generally pay their taxes and employ from within the local community - boosting employment.</p> <p>Vibrant town centres attract new businesses and development, consolidating development in already accessible areas, limiting urban sprawl and reducing car dependency. </p> <p>All good, in my opinion. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13281#post-162047 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:56:51 +0000 PS 162047@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There are wider benefits, but I reckon it's a good thing that this article counteracts (to an extent) the knee-jerk shopkeeper argument of "no parking means no customers". And it comes from within the traders/commercial group. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13281#post-162041 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:53:08 +0000 Stickman 162041@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>But I would argue there are broader society benefits from shopping being maintained/ increased in the city centre, rather than suburban / out of town malls.</em></p> <p>I'd be interested to know what you think those benefits are. (Not arguing or disagreeing with you, just something I've never given much thought!) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13281#post-162039 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:16 +0000 SRD 162039@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Presumably some of it comes from people visiting who otherwise would have gone to Dublin and some from people who might have bought online? </p> <p>But I would argue there are broader society benefits from shopping being maintained/ increased in the city centre, rather than suburban / out of town malls. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13281#post-162037 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:39:48 +0000 Stickman 162037@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm not going to argue with the idea of pedestrianisation/better cycle provision, but arguing purely on the economic grounds of "improved city centre trade" raises it's own debate. This likely won't be "new" activity, but activity displaced/relocated from elsewhere. If that means out-of-town centres then fine, but we should acknowledge that there will be losers as well. </p> <p>I think the general point that ped/bike friendly cities are much more pleasant and safer is argument enough. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13281#post-162035 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:33:22 +0000 Min 162035@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>high-quality environment</em></p> <p>Uh oh</p> <p>They used the "q" word.. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13281#post-162034 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:32:29 +0000 dougal 162034@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lezzles, I am also very confused about the "part-pedestrianised" bit about that photo. Is the part that's been pedestrianised the pavements? It looks to me like a lane of traffic (Range Rover) with two lanes of on-street parking. And since the parking in the left of the picture has bumpers to stop them moving forward they can only have come in from a lane on the extreme left. Which makes two lanes of traffic as I count it - just as there always was! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13281#post-162032 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:28:58 +0000 PS 162032@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Lezzles Suggest you have a read of the <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12983">George Street Improvements thread</a> for a blow by blow account, but it's a work in progress. Photo may have been taken before the barriers were put in place. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13281#post-162029 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:24:35 +0000 newtoit 162029@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just going to sit back and watch the usual Scotsman/EEN commenters go wild... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13281#post-162028 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:24:02 +0000 Lezzles 162028@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've not been into George Street in ages. I'm trying to work out what that picture means. </p> <p>How is it a cycle lane if there is a Rangerover driving down it? Is the bike meant to be in the thin strip to the left or the right where the bike sign is painted? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13281#post-162025 Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:09:19 +0000 PS 162025@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Andy Neal, chief executive of Essential Edinburgh on the financial benefits of pedestrianisation:<br /> <a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/comment-taking-time-to-pedestrianise-edinburgh-1-3507342">Comment: Taking time to pedestrianise Edinburgh</a></p> <p>Thought about putting this in the George Street thread, but figured it had a wider reach... </p>