http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: POP2 - Recent Posts en Sun, 28 Jun 2026 18:26:06 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-103415 Fri, 08 Mar 2013 19:31:35 +0000 Rabid Hamster 103415@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This thread is probably drying up now, so you might want to go to the newer thread covering PoP2:</p> <p>'PoP it in your diary and PoP along' </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-103252 Thu, 07 Mar 2013 13:56:44 +0000 Radgeworks 103252@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I for one aint missing this years PoP, was out of the UK last year and regretted it.<br /> Dinny care what day its oan either. :-&gt;</p> <p>R </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-103239 Thu, 07 Mar 2013 12:43:23 +0000 chdot 103239@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Pedal On Parliament (@POPScotland)<br /> 07/03/2013 11:10<br /> We can confirm #POP2 will be on Sunday 19th May at 3pm on closed roads. :-)</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102702 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 11:45:00 +0000 Dave 102702@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I had the Sat free but am triple booked on the Sun, so unlikely to be able to attend :(</p> <p>Still, it is what it is - kudos to the team for all their hard efforts! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102667 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:50:18 +0000 Rabid Hamster 102667@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The way this is going, I'll be joining TJ and just pedal round the wheel all weekend, like the good little hamster I am! That way I won't miss anything... 'flash-mob' or official romp with POP2! Hhmm! thinks? If there is date confusion already then folk will turn up both days anyway by default (human nature?). I think my little hamster brain is going to burst... arrghhh! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102643 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 00:34:50 +0000 LaidBack 102643@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sunday though is the normal day to 'drive your car and park on cycle lanes'.<br /> The fact that cyclists will converge en masse in the Meadows will still be noted by people driving.<br /> Those that use public transport won't notice delays as badly. Despite our 24/7 economy bus services on a Sunday are so infrequent on some routes you are quicker walking (or even using a car if you have one). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102642 Sun, 03 Mar 2013 22:54:16 +0000 Smudge 102642@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What WC said. Absolutely. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102613 Sun, 03 Mar 2013 18:13:22 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 102613@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>If POP gets moved to Sunday, I'll take that to mean <strong>we live in a police state.</strong></em>"</p> <p>No, no we really don't. Seriously. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102611 Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:43:46 +0000 minus six 102611@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>saturday = protest</p> <p>sunday = fun day out</p> <p>and never the twain shall meet </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102610 Sun, 03 Mar 2013 16:57:30 +0000 AIMC 102610@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>London city centre will be closed to traffic for an eight mile traffic free route on a SATURDAY.<br /> What's wrong with Edinburgh? It's only once a year on a very short route for a very short time.<br /> <a href="http://www.prudentialridelondon.co.uk/Prudential_RideLondon___Events/Prudential_RideLondon___FreeCycle.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.prudentialridelondon.co.uk/Prudential_RideLondon___Events/Prudential_RideLondon___FreeCycle.htm</a><br /> Appreciate all the efforts of POP organisers and will be there whatever day is chosen. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102585 Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:12:18 +0000 chdot 102585@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"the street performers will be glad"</p> <p>Because they get more business on Saturdays?</p> <p>Or not allowed on Sun? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102584 Sun, 03 Mar 2013 11:09:06 +0000 ruggtomcat 102584@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>has the printing been done? if not then big woop, the street performers will be glad :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102579 Sun, 03 Mar 2013 08:26:30 +0000 NiallA 102579@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sally,</p> <p>As someone who is intending to come to POP2 with the entire famly (2 boys, aged 6 and 6 months at that point) I'd definitely support your efforts to get buy in from the other players in this - I wasn't there last year, but it really sounds as if the support from the Police and others made a huge difference. I'd certainly see this as a worthwhile goal for the POP team, and if running the event on the Sunday can achieve this, then that seems to me to be an ideal outcome. Best of luck with negotiations! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102570 Sat, 02 Mar 2013 23:06:22 +0000 Uberuce 102570@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>edd1e_h: the purpose of a protest is to cause <u>attention.</u></p> <p>Disruption is one way to achieve that, I agree.</p> <p>I support that thing where we try the other ones first. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102565 Sat, 02 Mar 2013 22:42:21 +0000 sallyhinch 102565@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well, right or wrong, we had to come to a decision and I don't think it was unreasonable to compromise. Sure we *could* exercise our rights of lawful protest and bring Edinburgh to a halt, but not if we wanted to bring families along. Our judgement was that we could also make the same point while keeping some allies on side - which actually includes the police, who were very complimentary about last year's POP.</p> <p>I know people feel very passionately about POP and have a real sense of ownership of it especially on this forum but we do have to juggle lots of different factors while coming to these decisions - and I can assure you that we do not come to them lightly. Whether those decisions are right or wrong, I don't know - but we're doing the best we can. All we can ask is that people step back and see the bigger picture and I don't think there's much more powerful than the huge numbers of children that turned out last year. Surely that leaves a better lasting impression than a traffic snarl up or chaos on the buses?</p> <p>Those of us who put POP together this time and last time put a huge amount of effort into it, we all have day jobs and families as well, we do it because we care passionately about making Scotland fit for cycling. Not one of us had done anything similar until last year and we're still making it up as we go along. We really appreciate the support we get from CCE folk, and it's good to get feedback on how people feel, but please do bear in mind that we're human and doing the best we can. And if you've got ideas on how to make POP better and want to join in the fun - feel free to join us. You have nothing to lose but your sleep, your sanity, and your remaining free time</p> <p>:-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102561 Sat, 02 Mar 2013 21:55:08 +0000 chdot 102561@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Or a Lothian Bus state. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102560 Sat, 02 Mar 2013 21:53:46 +0000 neddie 102560@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I thought the whole point of a protest <em>was</em> to cause disruption?</p> <p>Otherwise no one will 'notice' you.</p> <p>If POP gets moved to Sunday, I'll take that to mean we live in a police state. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102524 Sat, 02 Mar 2013 13:30:49 +0000 sallyhinch 102524@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>hah! Yes, 'Give me strength' is exactly right... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309&page=2#post-102521 Sat, 02 Mar 2013 13:16:31 +0000 chdot 102521@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"if kids can't safely ride their bikes in Scotland then we'll never be a cycle-friendly nation"</p> <p>It's all right - Cycling Scotland is re-doing its 'give me <strike>strength</strike> room' TV campaign soon. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309#post-102520 Sat, 02 Mar 2013 13:01:41 +0000 sallyhinch 102520@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Website was updated last night to say 'weekend of 18th May' - we will confirm the date when we have formal agreement as we can't keep chopping and changing dates and times - I'm sorry about all this, but it's a complex situation and there are lots of competing priorities to take into account - and it's not just about getting permissions, although for a family-friendly protest like POP that is a big part of it.</p> <p>Of course there would be nothing to stop people from organising their own POP any day of the week they choose, or indeed all of them. But bear in mind that the more people who turn up on POP the more powerful it is, so please do join us on the day we finally announce. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309#post-102519 Sat, 02 Mar 2013 12:55:08 +0000 chdot 102519@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Now I'm extra confused. </p> <p>Council/Police/whoever 'ban' Saturday(?)</p> <p>So it's Sunday(?) or is PoP considering defying the ban??</p> <p>tj seems to be planning to. </p> <p>Might join him if it's a sunny day. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309#post-102518 Sat, 02 Mar 2013 11:32:38 +0000 SRD 102518@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dear Tarmac jockey and friends. If you read beyond the headline, you'll find the following explanation:</p> <p>If you've been paying close attention to the website, you'll have noticed that we've slightly modified our information about the date of the POP2 ride - rather than the 18th May, we are now saying that it will take place on the weekend of the 18th May. Please bear with us - we should be making a further announcement extremely soon but we can't quite confirm the date just yet.</p> <p>The reason is that, although POP is a protest, it's very much a family one: if kids can't safely ride their bikes in Scotland then we'll never be a cycle-friendly nation, so it's their protest as much as anyone's. Protests don't have to be confrontational - and we're working hard to make sure that we get the same carnival atmosphere that we enjoyed last year. We also don't want to disrupt the good people of Edinburgh any more than we can possibly help so we're working closely with the police, the council and representatives from the bus companies to keep the disruption to a minimum. The benefit of this approach is that we should be able to ride this year on completely closed roads - eliminating any risk from an impatient driver. The downside is we probably won't be able to hold it on the original day we planned, the 18th, but on the Sunday instead.</p> <p>We're disappointed at having to consider changing at this late stage - but that's the way the world goes, and it should mean that we can keep the fantastic route we had last year, right through the historic heart of Edinburgh. We'll be keeping you informed as soon as we know more but for now please watch this space - or sign up for our email updates - and as soon as we know, you will know</p> <p>Together we can make Scotland a cycle-friendly nation. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309#post-102517 Sat, 02 Mar 2013 11:22:33 +0000 tarmac jockey 102517@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Rabbit, Rabbit Rabbit......</p> <p>Has the POP2 Website changed? Gather at the Meadows in Edinburgh on the weekend of the 18th of May 2013 (actual date to be confirmed). I am positive last time I checked this website it clearly stated "Saturday"??? <a href="http://pedalonparliament.org/" rel="nofollow">http://pedalonparliament.org/</a></p> <p>I think I'll just stick to the Saturday! Sunday is still a day of rest for me. Who cares if I am the only one at the Meadows on the Saturday. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309#post-102510 Sat, 02 Mar 2013 01:26:47 +0000 BikeFan 102510@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I will welcome the advent of the trams as it will act as a traffic calming measure if nothing else! "</p> <p>One Billion Quid summed up in 20 words. </p> <p>Rabid Hampster - go to the top of the class. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309#post-102509 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 23:57:58 +0000 Rabid Hamster 102509@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dear Cllr Hinds,</p> <p>Pedal on Parliament Protest Saturday 18th May 2013</p> <p>As Convener for Transport, I really hope you will fully support this protest to be held on the Saturday 18th May, which requires to take a route through the centre of the City to draw attention to the plight of cyclists in this City, having to deal with poorly designed infrastructure and the high risks of urban traffic mixing with vulnerable cycle traffic. This protest is about making people all over Scotland aware of the daily risks cyclists take on our roads, just do do the most basic travel activities eg taking the kids to school, or commuting to work in a sustainable and healthy way! It may be that your Events Champion and Depute Cllr Cardownie might see this protest of over 3,000 mixed persons in the City as an ideal 'event' opportunity, that could be capitalised on by getting City of Edinburgh Council to actively support it.</p> <p>I must also draw your attention to the fact that Andrew McNicoll, who was sadly killed on Lanark Road whilst commuting into the city centre, was the son of an employee of the City of Edinburgh Council, and I append his mother's blog from Pedal on Parliament website (below) as a pivotal statement on the state of affairs in this City. This statement has many words of wisdom, and is a telling statement on the parlous state of our infrastructure for all users.<br /> It is sad that despite all the promises by CEC, Active Travel Action Plans, cycling initiatives, and failed investment in un-enforceable Quality Cycle Corridors etc, that the internal combustion engine still rules the minds of the officials in the Council.<br /> I will welcome the advent of the trams as it will act as a traffic calming measure if nothing else! It might even get people out of their cars and entice them to use public transport more effectively!<br /> My daily commute by bike in this City is becoming ever more risky and complex, and I appeal to you to get your colleagues to rally and get our act together for a safe and sustainable future for all, commuters, families, schoolchildren and tourists.</p> <p>I do hope you take this note seriously please? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309#post-102415 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 01:52:16 +0000 Rabid Hamster 102415@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ Sallyhinch... you are absolutely right, re-read the Cooncil's ATAP! Then roll it up and stick it in Dear Hind's ear! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309#post-102414 Fri, 01 Mar 2013 01:50:16 +0000 Rabid Hamster 102414@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So chdot!, if the punters are all parked up on the single yellows and cycling lanes then POP2 will be forced even further into the crown of the road thus creating equally as much traffic chaos as it might on a Saturday when restrictions in City Centre are enforced! Interesting spin-off concept! The invention of the Venturi Pipe illustrates this well... if you deliberately narrow a pipe you have to push a gas or liquid volume through faster at higher pressure to achieve the same result as through a wide bore pipe... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309#post-102334 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:26:37 +0000 sallyhinch 102334@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Pretty much every local policy document you read about transport starts with a nice piece of cut and pasted boilerplate about considering the needs of pedestrians first, followed by bikes, buses, and finally cars. Followed usually by a proposal that reflects exactly the opposite set of priorities. A particularly brazen one here actually went on to suggest removing a pavement from one side of a bridge (which didn't carry buses) to increase through traffic. Presumably the needs of pedestrians, cyclists and bus passengers were all being considered there by encouraging them to drive their cars like normal people... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309#post-102329 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:53:15 +0000 Rabid Hamster 102329@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD Expansion of your point.</p> <p>In my honest opinion here is the pecking order that should be in place:</p> <p>1st Creatures (incl humans and horses etc).<br /> 2nd Cycles (including motor assisted ones).<br /> 3rd Internal combustion engine with driven wheels.<br /> 4th Taxis.</p> <p>(This happens to be the Darwinian Order of colonizing this planet by coincidence!)</p> <p>Its a bit like the 'Law of the Air' Section IV Part 9 !<br /> If you see wot I mean! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9309#post-102323 Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:39:32 +0000 chdot 102323@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sunday?</p> <p>That's the day people are allowed to park everywhere they can't the rest of week(?) </p>