http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: road safety - Recent Posts en Wed, 13 May 2026 01:53:47 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18104#post-259638 Wed, 06 Sep 2017 22:34:59 +0000 unhurt 259638@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Poor "Graham". Even artistically created mutant pseudohumans need love :( </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18104#post-259614 Wed, 06 Sep 2017 20:24:39 +0000 I were right about that saddle 259614@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Tulyar</p> <p>If I ever see the dude in @unhurt's video I'll be going faster than 20mph. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18104#post-259608 Wed, 06 Sep 2017 19:42:25 +0000 Tulyar 259608@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Research in the late 1940's established that a human skull as stressed to 30% of breaking strength in a flat plate 20mph impact, whilst extrapolation shows a 20mph impact is 260% of breaking strength of a styrene shell.</p> <p>Visual perception also has a 20mph threshold and removal of aids will se drivers slowing to a speeed at which they can process information (18-20mph)</p> <p>20 mph = sprinting speed (15mph = a 4 minute mile) and it might be thus postulated that evolution has given the human body an operational top speed of around 20mph </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18104#post-259607 Wed, 06 Sep 2017 19:42:25 +0000 Tulyar 259607@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Research in the late 1940's established that a human skull as stressed to 30% of breaking strength in a flat plate 20mph impact, whilst extrapolation shows a 20mph impact is 260% of breaking strength of a styrene shell.</p> <p>Visual perception also has a 20mph threshold and removal of aids will se drivers slowing to a speeed at which they can process information (18-20mph)</p> <p>20 mph = sprinting speed (15mph = a 4 minute mile) and it might be thus postulated that evolution has given the human body an operational top speed of around 20mph </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18104#post-259402 Tue, 05 Sep 2017 15:46:28 +0000 unhurt 259402@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting approach. But also nightmare fuel, erk.</p> <p><a href="https://www.dezeen.com/2017/08/27/graham-person-designed-to-survive-car-accidents-designs-of-the-year-nominee/?">interactive lifelike sculpture [that] imagines what humans might look like had we evolved to withstand low-impact car crashes.</a></p> <p><em>Commissioned last year by The Transport Accident Commission in Victoria, Australia to demonstrate human vulnerability in traffic accidents, Graham was made by Melbourne artist Patricia Piccinini in collaboration with leading trauma surgeon Christian Kenfield and crash investigation expert Dr David Logan. [...] His enlarged skull is filled with extra cerebrospinal fluid and ligaments to protect the brain, while the neck – one of the most vulnerable body parts in a collision – has been removed entirely. Sacks have been placed between each of his ribs to create airbag-like cushioning and extra joints in his legs allow him to jump out of the way quickly.</p> <p>"He was the catalyst for conversation around the forces involved in common car-crash scenarios and highlighted just how vulnerable our bodies are to high speeds – a concept often complex and hard to communicate," she said.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204494 Fri, 13 Nov 2015 18:28:47 +0000 Stickman 204494@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/34806219" rel="nofollow">http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/34806219</a></p> <p>Even one of the most skilled drivers on the planet can't drive while tired. Although I am slightly sceptical of his excuse. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204217 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:24:18 +0000 Baldcyclist 204217@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not cycling related, but still fits the heading.</p> <p>A person who used to be a good fried has started to get all 'UKIP' and he posted a picture of some women wearing burka's on FB with some nonsense saying they shouldn't wear them in this country. Bla bla.</p> <p>I asked him if he thought they were on their way to blow up a bus or something, and also if he undestood the irony given his dad is Irish and moved here in the 70's at a time when similar stupidity would have been directed at his father.</p> <p>He blocked me after that, hey ho. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204197 Wed, 11 Nov 2015 08:53:00 +0000 crowriver 204197@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well this was not a friend, but I experienced a dilemma now relating to a crash I witnessed last night.</p> <p>I was walking my daughter to Rainbows around 6pm last night. We were approaching the southern corner of Albert Street where it meets Easter Road. Ahead of us, we heard a car horn sound, and looked up to see a red Fiat turning the corner, maybe a bit fast. The Fiat then mounted the pavement just a few yards away, and crashed headlong into a hefty bollard which was protecting bins and parked cars in a bay. The front left side of the car was caved in, the front wheel arch destroyed. </p> <p>The front passenger got out and swore in disbelief at the damage. The young male driver stared ahead, shocked as I called in through the open door that he should look where he's going, somebody could have been killed. As we were the only pedestrians nearby, it could have been us.</p> <p>We carried on our way, but on the way back maybe 20 minutes later the car was gone, leaving debris all over thev pavement and junction. As I walked to our temporary flat I noticed the damaged car was parked nearby. Maybe a neighbour's vehicle?</p> <p>I briefly considered taking a snap so as to record the license plate with a view to informing the police. However I realised I did not have my phone with me. Subsequently forgotten about. I just looked out of the window, and the car seems to have gone.</p> <p>So I missed my chance to "do the right thing"... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204180 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:57:59 +0000 chdot 204180@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"as she recognised she ought not to drive"</p> <p>Progress. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204179 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:52:45 +0000 unhurt 204179@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well, loins girded to send message (delayed by heading home) and I think someone else must already have said something as she's updated to say she left the car at work and got a lift home this evening as she recognised she ought not to drive. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204171 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 19:39:19 +0000 sallyhinch 204171@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If you want to change her behaviour, rather than make a public point, then responding privately would probably be more effective. Something along the lines of 'I'm a bit worried for your safety if you're really falling asleep at the wheel. Even if you just pull over for a 15min catnap it can be amazingly effective, but please, please, don't keep driving if you are in danger of falling asleep. Nothing's that important.'</p> <p>Edited: ah I see you have messaged her rather than posting publicly. sound. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204167 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:28:27 +0000 unhurt 204167@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Er, obviously I think this is 100% wrong, but I've encountered similar reasoning. Like, "I couldn't afford a taxi" - which I am sympathetic to in itself, but not to the extent I think it's a reason for risking killing people...</p> <p>I mean, I've BEEN an exhausted driver when I lived way up north - but I've chosen to miss my ferry in order to stop and have a recovery nap when I realised I was getting too tired to drive safely. Sometimes inconvenience/cost is just a thing you have to thole. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204165 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 18:23:50 +0000 unhurt 204165@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We don't live in the same city any more and I don't know her current address or registration, so I'm not sure there IS any way to report anything. But I will at least message her explaining I'm genuinely concerned she could have killed someone else or herself, and pointing out that exhausted driving is at least as dangerous as drunk driving (which she would never do, so I feel like there's a genuine disconnect here where she - like many people - feels she was REQUIRED to drive under the circumstances. Which I suspect will be her reasoning as it was to a medical appt...). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204164 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:44:01 +0000 DaveC 204164@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Remind her also what happened to the train near Selby when the Gary Hart fell asleep on the M62 while driving his Landrover.</p> <p>If you have any qualms about reporting her to the police, think about how worse you'd feel if she does it again with fatal consequences.</p> <p>Sadly I feet the police would take no action as no one was injured. At worse she may be fined for damaging Council property. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204160 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:08:02 +0000 Rob 204160@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What did you say? Do you think it had any impact? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204159 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:54:31 +0000 acsimpson 204159@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Clearly the lack of sleep has affected her judgement if she feels it's a good idea to brag about her <strike>stupidity</strike> scant regard for other's safety on such a forum. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204157 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:47:21 +0000 Darkerside 204157@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>To take a slightly different approach, I lost a good friend when they fell asleep on a motorway in the small hours and left the carriageway.</p> <p>It took that to make a whole group of us who were also driving when we should have been asleep realise that it wasn't worth it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204154 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:03:53 +0000 Arellcat 204154@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Perhaps draw attention to a wee incident in Glasgow when a driver of a HGV 'momentarily' 'fell asleep' at the wheel. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204153 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:02:47 +0000 Nelly 204153@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Report her to the police (anonymously if you want). </p> <p>Should be ashamed of herself. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204152 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:55:40 +0000 wingpig 204152@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"I have left what I hope is a diplomatic but clear response."</em></blockquote></p> <p>Presumably something along the lines of<br /> '<em>"luckily <strike>there doesn't seem to be any damage to the wheel or tyre</strike> I DIDN'T KILL OR MAIM ANYONE but I REALLY need to get a <strike>night's sleep!</strike> conscience"<br /> FTFY</em>'</p> <p>I was unfriended by a former flatmate a couple of years ago for going all cyclist when she started ranting about how slowly cyclists could travel on roads she wanted to drive on. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15742#post-204148 Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:31:53 +0000 unhurt 204148@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Someone I've known for years and who seems like a generally sensible, kind and considerate person just posted this in the comments of her own social media update. Worst thing is that everyone else is mostly agreeing that, indeed, it's a good thing the CAR wasn't damaged. Whereas all I can think of is what happens if someone driving 1+ tonnes of metal fails to stop at a junction I'm crossing because they briefly nodded off... I have left what I hope is a diplomatic but clear response. And of course now I feel like I'm being preachy! But, argh! This general notion that it's all just a bit of an oopsie to <em>fall asleep in charge of a potentially deadly machine</em> - is there any hope of changing it? What I really wanted to say, but didn't, is - if you're so tired that falling asleep at the wheel is a risk PLEASE GET THE BUS.</p> <p><em>As I haven't had a proper night's sleep since last Thursday, I momentarily feel asleep at the wheel on my way to {appointment} this morning and hit a traffic island {...} - luckily there doesn't seem to be any damage to the wheel or tyre but I REALLY need to get a night's sleep!</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13358#post-163548 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:46:30 +0000 sallyhinch 163548@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>haha - am in editing mode, so I'm all about the punctuation (nicely placed semi-colon, BTW) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13358#post-163542 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:01:59 +0000 i 163542@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>No worries. I like your use of the colon; it makes it more official looking. In any case, this meta-conversation should generate a few more views. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13358#post-163502 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:56:32 +0000 sallyhinch 163502@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>aargh - sorry did I start a duplicate thread @i? I did have a look before posting, obviously not hard enough </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13358#post-163492 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:19:53 +0000 cc 163492@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks. Signed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13358#post-163488 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:06:30 +0000 i 163488@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hope your post gets more attention than <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13355">mine</a> :-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13358#post-163476 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:35:35 +0000 sallyhinch 163476@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.change.org/p/patrick-mcloughlin-develop-and-implement-sustainable-safety-principles-on-britain-s-roads" rel="nofollow">https://www.change.org/p/patrick-mcloughlin-develop-and-implement-sustainable-safety-principles-on-britain-s-roads</a></p> <p>Sustainable safety being the underlying principle behind Dutch street and road design. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11448#post-129931 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 17:11:43 +0000 Min 129931@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Spotted <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24656413">this article</a> buried on the BBC website.</p> <p>Slightly encouraging and yet rather depressing at the same time.</p> <p><em>"Evidence has shown that regular risky and illegal drivers do not acknowledge the risk they present, or view their own actions as illegal or having any real social impact," he said.</em></p> <p>Along with-</p> <p><em>A recent study stated that almost three-quarters of all drivers admitted to risky driving behaviour in the last 12 months and more than half of those admitted to illegal behaviour in relation to speeding, mobile phones and seatbelt use.</em></p> <p>And this explains a lot-</p> <p><em>There is a common perception among offenders that offences are committed by others, but not by themselves.</em></p> <p>And finally, not that I would ever go on to the EEN but I have always wanted to point this out to the people who complain "why don't the police go after real criminals?"</p> <p><em>However, it is worth remembering that in 2012, 174 people died on our roads - three times more than the homicide rate.</em></p> <p>Because real criminals don't kill nearly as many people? ::-( </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10628&page=2#post-117173 Sat, 06 Jul 2013 14:46:34 +0000 chdot 117173@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"If Edinburgh is serious about meeting its targets it should be able to supply these figures on a regular basis and they should be showing a consistent upward trend"</p> <p>I think that is a reasonable expectation... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10628&page=2#post-117172 Sat, 06 Jul 2013 14:39:43 +0000 Calum 117172@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well, the Active Travel Action plan states that the overall modal share declined from 2% in 2005/6 to 1.6% in 2007/8. In other words, the undoubted rise in commuter cycling was being cancelled out by a decline in cycling for other reasons at that time. We would all love to think that a big increase in cycling is either happening right now or is just around the corner, but on the basis of these figures I don't feel that's a credible position to take.</p> <p>We're forever hearing about how commuter cycling in Edinburgh has reached the dizzy heights of 8% (or whatever it is), and that cyclists make up fabulously high proportions of the traffic on certain main roads. What I would be very interested in seeing is recent figures for the modal share - that is, the percentage of all journeys by all people for all purposes that are cycled. If Edinburgh is serious about meeting its targets it should be able to supply these figures on a regular basis and they should be showing a consistent upward trend. </p>