http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: sinage nepn - Recent Posts en Tue, 19 May 2026 18:44:32 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266&page=2#post-264702 Fri, 27 Oct 2017 20:35:05 +0000 Ed1 264702@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It may be useful as took me a while to realise what side to ride on was not just a personal choice. On some paths could fit 6 bikes in a row. So I assumed like a boat or a pedestrian would only need to change course if going crash. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266&page=2#post-264696 Fri, 27 Oct 2017 20:15:19 +0000 Greenroofer 264696@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I seem to recall one of the proposed signs for the Edinburgh Path Network was 'Travel on the left, pass on the right'. I'm not sure if that ever made it into production though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266&page=2#post-264667 Fri, 27 Oct 2017 16:19:22 +0000 neddie 264667@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From a walking perspective, I still want to face oncoming traffic, be that a bike or car.</p> <p>So in the past, I've walked on the right of paths. I may change that now though... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266&page=2#post-264662 Fri, 27 Oct 2017 15:34:59 +0000 LivM 264662@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As a former peak cycling commuter along NEPN and now an occasional off-peak walker (accompanying a nearly 3yo on his bike or walking) I definitely agree that you need to keep left or be excessively random. At peak hours anyone facing oncoming bike traffic causes confusion (although it does have the benefit of slowing some types down). </p> <p>I confess that the toddler has no lane discipline though so I often have to walk in the middle and stick my arms out wide to indicate that something random is happening ahead of me in case their view is blocked by my body. No one has been upset by this so far - in fact some seem positively charmed by the loud and happy "Hello!" that toddler grants every passing cyclist. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266&page=2#post-264632 Fri, 27 Oct 2017 13:46:32 +0000 acsimpson 264632@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On a busy path left is definitely the better place to walk. Unlike a road with motor traffic this is shared space and as ih says you can slow down and wait behind a pedestrian going in the same direction as you but risk a collision if you are going towards one and cannot move over the path.</p> <p>I don't know if it's written down anywhere but on a road as well as being more visible to the drivers facing them makes it easier to know if you need to get onto the verge and giveway or not. </p> <p>Presumably if section 27 doesn't apply then the default legislation would be the OAC:<br /> <strong>Recreation areas and public places:</strong><br /> <em>avoid causing concern to others by keeping your dog close at heel or on a short lead.</em><br /> Which is pretty much the same thing, although I have never worked out how this is compatible with playing fetch in the park. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266&page=2#post-264528 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 14:15:00 +0000 ih 264528@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>walk on the right</em></p> <p>Whilst this is a good strategy for pedestrians on a road without footways, I don't think it's necessarily a good idea on the NEPN, even if you could mandate it, which is doubtful. First, the NEPN is a totally shared space; there is no right or wrong side for people either walking or on bikes. Second, a situation which gives me the heebies is when I'm approaching a pedestrian walking towards me on the same side (usually my left) and another bike is behind them, but of course the pedestrian doesn't know this. I can't switch sides into the path of the other bike, so the pedestrian thinks I'm going to hold my ground selfishly, and is tempted to step to the side into the path of the bike behind them. Fortunately, this Mexican stand off has never resulted in a collision, but I frequently shout to the pedestrian that there is a bicycle behind them when I find myself in this situation. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266&page=2#post-264526 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 13:49:50 +0000 stiltskin 264526@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>At the risk of thread drift:<br /> <em>walk on the right</em> Absolutely not.<br /> It makes much more sense to walk on the left. That way bikes can tuck in behind &amp; wait to overtake. Otherwise you end up face to face with a pedestrian &amp; nowhere to go. The HC advice applies to roads and not to cyclepaths which are a completely different scenario. If you can’t see someone walking on the path in the dark then you are cycling too fast. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266&page=2#post-264521 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 13:22:25 +0000 kaputnik 264521@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@threefromleith yes, second that, there's plenty of very responsible dog owners out there, but mainly we recognise and grump about those who are not.</p> <p>When will the dog-owning community step up and take responsibility? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264519 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 13:15:27 +0000 Rosie 264519@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Talking of dogs, I used to commute via Bishop's Walk off Palmerston Place. Someone used to think peak hour was a great time to exercise 3 large dogs along a heavily used narrow shared path. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264516 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 13:03:31 +0000 threefromleith 264516@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Before I sound too negative about dogs &amp; owners, there's another lady with two dogs who I meet almost every time I'm riding home from work. She doesn't have them on leads, but stops and calls them to her when she sees bikes approaching, and holds both at the side of the path until the bike has passed.</p> <p>I always call out a cheery 'Thanks!", and she always replies with "You're welcome" and a smile.</p> <p>A positive, friendly encounter which leaves us both feeling good about each other. I'm all for that and we need more of it! :-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264515 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 13:02:03 +0000 steveo 264515@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em> Wearing dark clothing,</em></p> <p>Mandatory HiViz for all eh? You could take the advice given to drivers, slow down?</p> <p><em>"Walk facing oncoming traffic"</em></p> <p>And which side of a shared use path is on coming traffic to be on? Or should one simply walk against the generaly direction of travel at that time?</p> <p><em>just keep to the right and the cyclists will negotiate themselves around you</em></p> <p>And you're quite sure they'll manage that with more than an elbow flicks space? Experience tells me that is not always the case. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264512 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:56:54 +0000 threefromleith 264512@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@kaputnik I came across two large dogs with single-red LEDs on their collars on the Chancelot Path on Tuesday morning around 06:05, with their owner following up a short distance behind on a bike (with lights).</p> <p>All very visible from a distance, but the two large dogs were charging about, criss-crossing each other on the path - so much so that I had to unclip and stop until all three were safely past me. There was no way I'd get by, even at walking pace, without a dog or me coming to grief.</p> <p>I'm hoping they'll run back one day and cause the owner to come off his bike; only then might he realise that he needs to have more control over his dogs when bikes are around! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264500 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:12:43 +0000 adamthekiwi 264500@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Luath, @Arellcat (and @Morningsider) - yes, I'd been trying to work out if the NEPN had an order under section 27 applied to it... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264496 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:06:42 +0000 kaputnik 264496@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I did see a wee dog with a cheerful retro reflective neckerchief on the other night after sundown. Great, now I can see the unleashed dog as it sits on the other side of the path from the phone-distracted owner only to dart infront of the pike just as I get near.</p> <p>A leash would be much more effective. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264491 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 11:49:33 +0000 marccr0wley 264491@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I know these signs have only been up a few days but there's still a significant number of path users who seem unaware of the hazards their behaviour is creating. Wearing dark clothing, walking with their back to oncoming traffic on a poorly lit and narrow shared use path with either headphones in or dog running loose. Pedestrians attempting to give way to cyclists, just keep to the right and the cyclists will negotiate themselves around you, don't add another degree of complexity to it.</p> <p>Not as permanent as signs but far more effective are the stencilled markings on the ground.</p> <p>Maybe these placed at junctions reminding users of the Highway Code would have more impact:</p> <p>"Walk facing oncoming traffic"<br /> "Keep dogs on a short lead"<br /> "http://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/rules-for-pedestrians.html"<br /> etc.</p> <p>A fairly cheap option, though it does have a recurring cost to maintain every couple of months. A good task for a dangerous driver serving a community service sentence. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264478 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:48:58 +0000 handcyclist 264478@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yesterday, as I passed a lady with seven (7) dogs all running free, I realised that I'd missed the point of the "Control your dog" sign as it clearly only applies if you have just the one dog.<br /> Get a pack and you're free to ignore the sign? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264470 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:18:18 +0000 wingpig 264470@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's a dog one just before you go under Telford Drive northbound. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264468 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:10:57 +0000 kaputnik 264468@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is a design for a "control your dogs sign" in this series but I've yet to spot it in the wild. Plenty of the "dip your lights" and "don't strobe" ones which I can't argue with. I'm not sure these signs will have much effect... But hey.</p> <p>I did notice there is a sign pole at the Craigleith Quarry junction that has about 6 signs on it now, I must take a photo of it. Or perhaps add a wee sign of my own saying "Edinburgh Cycle Path Sign Museum" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264459 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 09:26:59 +0000 Arellcat 264459@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>So local authorities have to create an order which designates specific sections of road as subject to section 27.</em></p> <p>Reminded me of Morningsider's helpful post a while back, in the context of the NEPN and suchlike.</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17586#post-246530">When is a road a road?</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264448 Thu, 26 Oct 2017 08:19:12 +0000 threefromleith 264448@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I spotted three 'Control your dog' signs between Wester Coates and Sandport Street yesterday. Ironically there was a woman with two uncontrolled dogs, which she was completely ignoring in favour of her mobile phone screen, just beside the first sign on the bridge over the WoL at Wester Coates. Both dogs were darting back and forth across my path as I carefully &amp; slowly tried to pass them, with the owner completely oblivious to what was going on.</p> <p>Yay for signs! ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264380 Wed, 25 Oct 2017 16:17:17 +0000 Luath 264380@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There are a few control your dog signs scattered along the length of the NEPN. Most signs are directed at cyclists though.</p> <p>@adamthekiwi section 27 continues:<br /> "(2) In this section “designated road” means a length of road specified by an order in that behalf of the local authority in whose area the length of road is situated."</p> <p>So local authorities have to create an order which designates specific sections of road as subject to section 27. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264369 Wed, 25 Oct 2017 15:05:33 +0000 Frenchy 264369@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@adamthekiwi - Very interesting, thanks.</p> <p>Any idea why the Highway Code doesn't say "You MUST NOT let a dog out on the road on its own."? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264366 Wed, 25 Oct 2017 14:51:24 +0000 LivM 264366@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've seen a Control your Dog sign on my way down from Ravelston Dykes to Sainsbury's yesterday (can't remember if it was up the top of the ramp or further down or somewhere along the path, sorry) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264361 Wed, 25 Oct 2017 14:38:13 +0000 adamthekiwi 264361@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>In case anyone's wondering - this isn't true. There is no law requiring dogs to be on leads on roads,</em></blockquote></p> <p>Sorry, @Frenchy, but you're incorrect - Section 27 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 says:</p> <p>"27 Control of dogs on roads.<br /> (1)A person who causes or permits a dog to be on a designated road without the dog being held on a lead is guilty of an offence.<br /> [...]" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264338 Wed, 25 Oct 2017 12:45:29 +0000 wingpig 264338@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Going clockwise last night I noticed a "blind corner" sign on the last lamppost before the Drylaw Park bridge, just at the point where I like to keep all my attention focussed on the imminent blind corner. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264336 Wed, 25 Oct 2017 12:43:38 +0000 jules878 264336@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks. I thought that was the case.</p> <p>I failed to spot any "Control your dog" signs, nor any of these "Keep dogs on short lead or close at heel" signs</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/Edinburgh_CC/status/922760872568803328" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/Edinburgh_CC/status/922760872568803328</a></p> <p>on NEPN. </p> <p>It was dark when I cycled down last night, so perhaps I missed them.</p> <p>But if there are none then why not? </p> <p>And who should we ask in order to get some put up? </p> <p>Other paths (particularly the Canal tow path) should have these too, but maybe already there on the canal. </p> <p>I've been away for a few days so not been along there since new signage introduced. I'll be going that way later today though so I shall be on the look out! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264326 Wed, 25 Oct 2017 11:30:08 +0000 Frenchy 264326@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Only required to have leads on roads</em></p> <p>In case anyone's wondering - this isn't true. There is no law requiring dogs to be on leads on roads, but the Highway Code explicitly mentions both roads and cycle paths:</p> <p>"Rule 56</p> <p>Dogs. Do not let a dog out on the road on its own. Keep it on a short lead when walking on the pavement, road or path shared with cyclists or horse riders." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264321 Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:38:17 +0000 jules878 264321@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Failed to spot any "Control your dog" signs on NEPN last night, but possible I missed them.</p> <p>Asked one "owner" of three large black muts which were bounding all over path whether they should be on leads....</p> <p>Was told in no uncertain terms that they didn't. Only required to have leads on roads, and that I could f-off.</p> <p>#sharedpathjoy </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264247 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 13:42:58 +0000 threefromleith 264247@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I suspect most have been placed high up on the poles to stop them being vandalised / torn off (a fate which seems to have met most previous cycling signs along NEPN routes). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18266#post-264245 Tue, 24 Oct 2017 13:34:24 +0000 gibbo 264245@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>We are currently reviewing every street in Edinburgh to ensure that they are accessible for everyone.</em></p> <p>It would be nice if that involved looking at where cars are parked on pavements in ways that would block access for, say, wheelchair users. </p>