http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: tourer - Recent Posts en Wed, 13 May 2026 02:07:26 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639&page=2#post-365408 Sat, 17 Dec 2022 23:00:26 +0000 LaidBack 365408@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>A modern 'mass' bike...<br /> Hub gears<br /> Belt drive<br /> Hub brakes (as they need little work)<br /> Hub lighting or 'solar mudguards' (© LB Technologies 2010)</blockquote></p> <p>Nuvinci hub mentioned back then too - Enviolo is used on many E-cargo bikes. Many are belt drive models.<br /> I expected neat step through designs to outgrow recumbents although ageing population has kept recumbent trikes relevant.<br /> The Paper Bicycle was one good 'step through' design - sold a handful. Interestingly the Glasgow based designer Nick Lobnitz reckoned the Urban Arrow 'borrowed' his design of a double tubed 'cage' around the bottom bracket &amp; chainring. Bike espionage at Eurobike? (Nick does freelance bike design for a few brands - R&amp;M Birdy makeover was one of his. Used to come round shop and rode a Paper Bicycle with his dog Luna on front rack at first POP.) I had never really expected e-assist to take off - if only the Paper Bicycle had been electric. Once Bosch &amp; Shimano got going with bottom bracket motors then everything changed.<br /> Gazelle shows what can be done to make a comfortable bike for everyone... but at a price.<br /> VanMoof do style + integration with finance type deals (Cowboy copy now spotted).</p> <p>Future bikes that people can afford? Decathlon worth watching...? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639&page=2#post-365383 Fri, 16 Dec 2022 18:05:42 +0000 chdot 365383@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Interesting question. </p> <p>A simple answer is, perhaps, "none". The last few years has demonstrated diversity. </p> <p>…</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-15945" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-15945</a></p> <p>I’ll stick with what I wrote </p> <p>EXCEPT ignored rise of electric, cargo and, <em>especially</em>, both. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639&page=2#post-365381 Fri, 16 Dec 2022 17:51:47 +0000 Arellcat 365381@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>So my prediction for the 2010s is mainly utility:</p> <p>* an amalgamation of folding bike thinking using cheaper multi-speed hub gears, Kevlar brake and gear cables, and either 26" or 24" wheels; and<br /> * much greater market penetration of the electric bicycle: motor assist, with a wiring loom for regenerative braking, lights and navigation.<br /> * I also think we'll see hydraulic systems adopted by road groupsets for brakes, and by the MTB/offroaders for gears.</em></p> <p>All in all, not too bad a prediction!</p> <p>We still like cables for gears on MTBs, whereas roadies have gone for electric derailleurs. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12167#post-141889 Wed, 05 Feb 2014 22:20:17 +0000 ecompose 141889@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I am selling this lovely bike to fund a bike with a more upright riding position. It is in great condition (also advertised on e-bay for more - put in "Jamis Aurora Elite" as a search to view photos etc...) Given I will not be subject to e-bay seller fees on this forum you may obtain the bike (and the extras noted on e-bay) for £650.</p> <p>Please call me (John) or text to view (evenings). I am in the Blackford region of Edinburgh. 07717451372 </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639&page=2#post-16188 Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:03:41 +0000 LaidBack 16188@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The VSF T400 Rohloff equipped bikes with Son + B&amp;M lights, rack + Magura offered great value and finish in the 'bike with a future' category. Then prices went up and these 'do-it-all' bikes became less attractive.</p> <p>Since then I've been looking at Simpel.ch<br /> <a href="http://fr.simpel.ch/velos/trekkingbikes_tourenvelos.html">Range from Simpel in Switzerland</a></p> <p>These all come with everything... some interesting gearing options too. Latest improved Wegwärts Nu-vinci gears plus roller brakes, hub lights, rack guards, internal cabling. Just reviewed in Velo Vison.</p> <p><a href="http://fr.simpel.ch/velos/ww/nuvinci_360/hommes.html">Simpel Nuvinci</a></p> <p>Not sure what people think of Shimano BR-IM80 Roller Brake. Carrera Subway 8 used these as well (Half***s)<br /> Is a hub brake better for a 'bike of the future'? </p> <p>Wegwärts Nu-vinci reviewed in new copy of Velo Vision mag. Even basic versions of their models come with hub lights.</p> <p>I love the Simple site... in French or German only at moment.<br /> Has great items like<br /> <em>Multiplication - Rapport total de 244% </em><br /> So you know overall gear range </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639&page=2#post-16136 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 18:56:56 +0000 wee folding bike 16136@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Arellcat,</p> <p>My Roadster came with mudguards. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16111 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 15:16:33 +0000 Cyclingmollie 16111@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>chdot: "New thread anyone?" <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1651&amp;replies=1#post-16110">New thread</a> started. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16103 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 14:41:08 +0000 Dave 16103@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hydraulic shifters would be amazing. You'd need two little pipes inside the housing (one for 'in', one for 'out' - unless there's a much cleverer idea). </p> <p>You'd never need to worry about them. The first time I had to touch the front brake on my recumbent was when the pads wore out after 2500 miles, and I haven't touched them since! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16095 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 12:21:05 +0000 LaidBack 16095@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>In general bike shops make money from 'add-ons', but if you sell bikes in large quantities must be more cost effective/profitable to get such things fitted in a far east factory.</em></p> <p>Or a Netherlands one too. My own experince of 'building' a far east 'retro' bike was that all items were on hand and fitted quickly. Items also matched nicely - aesthetics are important. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16090 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 11:42:57 +0000 chdot 16090@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Brighton Place was the best/worst example"</p> <p>Haven't been there for a while but certainly was pretty bad. </p> <p>My worst is probably Drummond Place (esp Scotland Street to London Street). </p> <p>New thread anyone? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16088 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 11:30:07 +0000 Cyclingmollie 16088@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We had a couple of staff over from the Netherlands. They both commented on how odd it seemed that people in Edinburgh all seemed to ride mountain bikes. One spent weeks hunting for and eventually finding a "Dutch" bike. The other said she would never cycle among such aggressive drivers as those she saw here. Perhaps Edinburgh is an unusual case because of the amount of cobbles and hills but I think wide tyres and low gears are always going to be part of a good Edinburgh bike whatever happens elsewhere. Personally I found that a narrow tyred road bike prevented me from using some cobbled roads (Brighton Place was the best/worst example). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16086 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:53:15 +0000 Arellcat 16086@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A tourer with swept-back handlebars and no mudguards. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16083 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:38:18 +0000 chdot 16083@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What's your definition of roadster? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16081 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:33:22 +0000 Arellcat 16081@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ok, I'm paraphrasing the decades, but to me:</p> <p>1950s - black sit up and beg, some roadsters<br /> 1960s - Moulton mk1/mk2 (suspension)<br /> 1970s - British tourer, or Raleigh Shopper/20/etc (solid build)<br /> 1980s - BMX, some MTBs (lighter weight, new metals)<br /> 1990s - MTBs (new brakes/gears)<br /> 2000s - Hybrids, MTBs, folders (utility, disc brakes, some electrics)</p> <p>So my prediction for the 2010s is mainly utility:</p> <p>* an amalgamation of folding bike thinking using cheaper multi-speed hub gears, Kevlar brake and gear cables, and either 26" or 24" wheels; and<br /> * much greater market penetration of the electric bicycle: motor assist, with a wiring loom for regenerative braking, lights and navigation.<br /> * I also think we'll see hydraulic systems adopted by road groupsets for brakes, and by the MTB/offroaders for gears. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16077 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:18:59 +0000 chdot 16077@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"For example, out of 36 "comfort" bikes listed on the EBC website just 11 have mudguards"</p> <p>It was an even smaller ratio last year which I also found really surprising from EBC. </p> <p>In general bike shops make money from 'add-ons', but if you sell bikes in large quantities must be more cost effective/profitable to get such things fitted in a far east factory. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16073 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 10:02:55 +0000 Dave 16073@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In broad terms, it's probably fair to say that cycling in the UK currently takes its cue from either branch of sport cycling - road or MTB.</p> <p>Neither really compels as an answer to every-day cycling. So, as (if?) that grows in its own right, you'd expect to see diversification to cater to that market.</p> <p>I think we've already seen quite a lot of this, with the rise of the hybrid, but still manufacturers are surprisingly unwilling to make the kind of bikes that people need:</p> <p>For example, out of 36 "comfort" bikes listed on the EBC website just 11 have mudguards. It's unimaginable that anyone would buy a "comfort/utility" car which was a soft-top with no roof supplied. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16070 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:44:57 +0000 Smudge 16070@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>eyethankyou.. :-D </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16069 Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:42:47 +0000 chdot 16069@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> News</p> <p>What will be the dominant bicycle type of the next decade?</p> <p>Yet another interesting thread from CityCyclingEdinburgh.<br /> "</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/comms/srv.a4d?f_pg=news.htm&amp;f_Cardinal=4" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/comms/srv.a4d?f_pg=news.htm&amp;f_Cardinal=4</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16033 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 15:53:44 +0000 chdot 16033@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Chdot can tell us how many they have made"</p> <p>Not that geeky.</p> <p>Series 1 &amp; 2 <em>a lot</em> - radicalised/revived the adult end of the UK bike industry. Raleigh got jealous and produced the RSW turkey. Which led to 'garage forecourt folders' and another decline in cycling.</p> <p>The Mk3 (built by Raleigh) coincided with a really duff Sturmey Archer hub brake design which won't have helped improve Raleigh's lack of enthusiasm. So sold (uncertain) thousands.</p> <p>For the last 25 years Moultons have been hand built (apart from the Japanese Bridgestone variation) in the factory next to AM's house (Hall). The number may well be a trade secret, won't be massive.</p> <p>There are a lot of 60's ones still in regular use and available (mostly via ebay) at pretty cheap prices for full suspension bikes! The later ones were never cheap. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16027 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 15:30:40 +0000 LaidBack 16027@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Only 12,000 C5s sold according to the Wikipedia article.</em></p> <p>The 17,000 figure was from their site. 12,000 not bad but a waste of resources if never used.</p> <p>I've never seen an A-bike either.</p> <p>I predict 'Nothing unusual or costing more than £399.95' will be the future of cycling. Most 'trends' are created with a massive PR plug and clever marketing. The 'best design' never wins. (Of course bike mechanics have their own definition of best!)</p> <p>Moulton design is recognised as clever but still very uncommon. Chdot can tell us how many they have made (!) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16021 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 14:04:10 +0000 cb 16021@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Only 12,000 C5s sold according to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5">Wikipedia</a> article.</p> <p>Sinclair obviously likes small wheels but they are <em>increasing</em> the size of the wheels on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-bike">A-bike</a> to 8"!</p> <p>Never seen an A-bike in Edinburgh (or anywhere). I predict that they are not the future of cycling (although quite clever in their own sweet way) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-16016 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:27:26 +0000 LaidBack 16016@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strong>kaputnik</strong> <em>Of course there will be the eccentric minorities on their folding or reclining contraptions :) </em></p> <p>Are you saying that Sparkle is eccentric because she isn't on an upright? There was one behind that she could have used... ;-) Even Max wanted to use the seat but the cat got there first... !</p> <p><strong>A modern 'mass' bike...</strong><br /> Hub gears<br /> Belt drive<br /> Hub brakes (as they need little work)<br /> Hub lighting or 'solar mudguards' (© LB Technologies 2010)</p> <p>Of course<br /> <a href="http://www.velovision.co.uk/">Velo Vision Magazine</a><br /> has previously discussed these things. (As has City Cycling - when are we getting back isuees Anth?)</p> <p>AAGGHH!<br /> Sinclair have jsut re-entered the HPV market.<br /> <a href="http://www.velovision.co.uk/cgi-bin/show_comments.pl?storynum=1138">Sinclair assault on the reclining market</a></p> <p>That could be very bad news for recliners.<br /> The wheel size is 16"<br /> I rest my case....</p> <p><em>PS - The C5 'only' sold around 17,000 units in total(!) It currently remains the best selling electric vehicle of all time. Most 'niche bike makers could only dream of a figure like that so just shows you... </em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-15993 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 11:07:47 +0000 chdot 15993@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Belt drive and better internal hubs, plus wider availability of disc brakes"</p> <p>Indeed. All three on the same bike(s) too.</p> <p>Cost/price will be any issue - though you can get discs on <em>really</em> cheap bikes. (Perhaps best described as 'cosmetic brakes'!)</p> <p>No doubt China is currently building a 'belt drive industrial city'.</p> <p>One effect of the Cycle to Work scheme is that people have been enticed into buying more expensive bikes. For some this has meant daily exposure to better bikes. Sometimes this is with the realisation that running/maintenance costs are higher.</p> <p>Hub gears generally have lower running costs. The same is true for current belt drive systems. Whether 'cheap copies' wear as well remains to be seen. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-15990 Thu, 04 Nov 2010 10:36:35 +0000 Dave 15990@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Belt drive and better internal hubs, plus wider availability of disc brakes would be what I'd watch out for. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-15977 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:50:48 +0000 chdot 15977@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"eccentric minorities"</p> <p>You talking about Shimano Biopace chainsets? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-15974 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:45:49 +0000 kaputnik 15974@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think lots and lots of people will try and "revolutionise" the bike over the next decade and I think what they're going to come up with is as follow;</p> <p>A pair of spoked, metal wheels with rubber tyres.<br /> A couple of tubing triangles for a frame with a seat poking out of the upright tube. Some pedals and a crank revolving round a bottom bracket and driving the rear wheel via a chain and gears or some description at the back. There will be brakes front and rear with levers to apply them up front, back (left) and front (right). These levers will be on some handlebars that will steer a fork holding the front wheel. There will be attachment points for lights, bells, mudguards, bottlecages and racks.</p> <p>So that's an Edwardian safety bike, right? Or a modern MTB. Or a road bike. Or a "hybrid", a "tourer"...</p> <p>Of course there will be the eccentric minorities on their folding or reclining contraptions :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-15970 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:26:27 +0000 LaidBack 15970@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1414/5143646124_88921b1919.jpg"></p> <p>My daughter's two 'retired' pets. <em>Sparkle</em> likes her bike while <em>Max</em> stays on the floor. A nice broad Brooks saddle just doesn't compare.</p> <p>I will of course brush it before letting any cat-phobic people use! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-15965 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 17:08:29 +0000 TwoWheels 15965@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Heh. Next time I get to Edinburgh, I look forward to meeting all you guys while riding our recumbents. Of course, LaidBack will be all rich and retired by then. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-15960 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 15:46:21 +0000 chdot 15960@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.bikebiz.com/news/33140/BA-to-stage-e-bike-forum" rel="nofollow">http://www.bikebiz.com/news/33140/BA-to-stage-e-bike-forum</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1639#post-15957 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 15:39:00 +0000 chdot 15957@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I think we'll see a lot more electric assisted bikes in the next 10 years"</p> <p>Yes, but. </p> <p>Sales seemed to have stalled, more than hoped/anticipated by some manufactures. </p> <p>There are still considerable cost of running/battery replacement issues. </p> <p>There are genuinely a lot of people - (much) older/infirm who would benefit from 'power assist' but plenty of others 'tempted' who would be better off just getting fit enough to ride a normal bike. </p>