http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: traffic lights - Recent Posts en Sun, 31 May 2026 07:47:40 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19317#post-296977 Tue, 04 Dec 2018 15:12:08 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 296977@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Much as the advance cycle lights are appreciated, the head-start time given to cyclists is pretty measly; &lt; 2 seconds is barely enough time to get going for some cyclists, and since it's such a short time, drivers will just start moving off when the cycle light comes on (as is the case for I'd estimate 50% of drivers on Leith Walk). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19317#post-296971 Tue, 04 Dec 2018 14:41:29 +0000 Frenchy 296971@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18275#post-264490" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18275#post-264490</a></p> <p>Half of one suggestion implemented. Job done? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19317#post-296970 Tue, 04 Dec 2018 14:37:11 +0000 Frenchy 296970@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>No, you're right, they were installed yesterday. You now get ~1.5s head start.</p> <p>Still no pedestrian crossing on 3/5 roads at that junction, though. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19317#post-296969 Tue, 04 Dec 2018 14:33:42 +0000 prog99 296969@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Was it my imagination yesterday or are there now advanced green cycle lights on this? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247453 Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:10:09 +0000 jonty 247453@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>cb: ooh, very good.</p> <p>Still seems to me that in both cases separate phases make more sense - I wonder how much extra right-hand flow you actually gain at rush hour? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247445 Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:20:32 +0000 jules878 247445@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I also find this junction scary. </p> <p>But when coming in the opposite direction I find tackling that huge roundabout 10 x more scary. I've avoided rush hour too so dread to contemplate what it is like then! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247438 Fri, 21 Apr 2017 09:09:39 +0000 fimm 247438@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Beware <strike>of this</strike> if you're waiting to turn <strike>right into Gorgie Road too</strike> as the majority of drivers don't indicate <strike>there</strike>.</p> <p>FIFY </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247430 Fri, 21 Apr 2017 07:01:08 +0000 cb 247430@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Quality St/Queensferry Road is another example of two right hand turn lanes having to yield. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247409 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 20:25:54 +0000 Bigjack 247409@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I agree with all above.<br /> It is a very scary junction heading straight across from HC to Balgreen and drivers approaching turning right into Gorgie seem to think they have right of way.<br /> My alternative of Slateford Green - McDonalds/Aldi straight across to Westfield Road, has the frustrating driver habit of not indicating left into Gorgie Road, I think because the phsychology is they don't have to since the "main road" is left and not straight on to McDonalds/Aldi.Beware of this if you're waiting to turn right into Gorgie Road too as the majority of drivers don't indicate there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247389 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 16:17:09 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 247389@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The sensible solution would be to have (bike-sensitive) sensors at Hutchison Crossway, and give it a light cycle whenever a road user is waiting... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247387 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:55:14 +0000 lorlane 247387@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>UPDATE:</p> <p>I went home via this junction this afternoon, spent a few moments watching the cycle and noticed that things were a bit different. I initially thought, wow, that was quick. But, then called Clarence, and the problem is this...</p> <p>At "peak time" traffic from Hutchieson have a brief (3 sec) green light, which ceases and is followed by a separate signal for Balgreen Rd showing green + right filter which goes on for several seconds (much longer than HC - understandably). This is MUCH safer in my opinion.</p> <p>At non-peak times (after 9:30 which is when I passed through this morning), signals for both directions are simultaneously green initially <u>but without the Right filter from Balgreen</u>. The HC phase still only lasts a few seconds while the Balgreen has much longer. I didn't notice this morning if the the filter eventually comes on at non-peak times. Driver complacency/inattentiveness makes this a very risky situation which I communicated to Clarence and will do so again in writing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247370 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:28:10 +0000 jonty 247370@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah that's what I meant, probably wasn't clear. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247360 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:37:23 +0000 neddie 247360@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Arellcat</p> <p>Hutchison Crossway/Balgreen Rd junction has 2 lanes of traffic turning right. Both lanes can turn right at the same time.</p> <p>This isn't the case at the King's nor at Myreside </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247359 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:31:50 +0000 Arellcat 247359@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Right turning traffic from Balgreen Road should of course give way.</em></p> <p><em>Is it normal for a two-lane right turn to ever have to yield to oncoming traffic?</em></p> <p>I'd say it is normal.</p> <p>Take Gilmore Place/Tarvit Street. Traffic coming from Tarvit St going straight across to Gilmore Place gets priority (by habit, at least), while traffic turning right from Gilmore Place to Leven Street has to wait.</p> <p>Take Colinton Road/Myreside Road. Traffic going south on Colinton Road and straight across the junction gets priority, while traffic turning right from Colinton Road to Myreside Road has to wait.</p> <p>If the Balgreen Road junction exhibits alternative behaviour of drivers, it is either because the traffic light phasing encourages it and/or the design of the junction encourages it, and driver behaviour is generally self-reinforcing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247349 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 12:49:37 +0000 jonty 247349@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is it normal for a two-lane right turn to ever have to yield to oncoming traffic? Feels like sight lines can't be OK for it to happen safely. It's hard enough with just the one sometimes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247334 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 11:49:01 +0000 lorlane 247334@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sorry, chrisfl! Autocorrect ... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247333 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 11:48:22 +0000 lorlane 247333@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Actually, Christal, on reflection, we DO get a few seconds before changing back to red. The Balgreen stream get much longer.<br /> So, why not allow H C to cross/turn without conflict for the sake of a few seconds? I genuinely thought this was the case, hence my alarm when I was nearly hit. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247331 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 11:35:26 +0000 neddie 247331@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>while the stream of right turning traffic flowed</em></p> <p>Sadly, the council have tried to create a defacto urban motorway here, comprising the Western Approach Rd, Stevenson Rd, Balgreen Rd, Gorgie Rd (A71), from the city centre out to the bypass. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247330 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 11:28:50 +0000 chrisfl 247330@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've not been that way for a few months (I've settled on, Eltringham Terrace, Robb's Loan - abusing the pedestrian crossing then Fords Road, route to the Broomhouse path rather than Ballgreen)</p> <p>But it used to be that the H C and Ballgreen road were on different phases of lights, there was a very short green - just long enough to let 2 cars through, before going red and the Ballgreen Road side going Green. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247329 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 11:28:24 +0000 SRD 247329@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I go through this with my kids occassionally - terrifying. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247326 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 11:15:26 +0000 lorlane 247326@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You're right! But the first day I was almost hit and had to brake suddenly to avoid being wiped out. Hence my fright.<br /> Today, sane thing, but bizarrely there was s car alongside me who also braked suddenly while the stream of right turning traffic flowed.<br /> What a terrible layout. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247319 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 10:54:39 +0000 Klaxon 247319@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yup, normal crossroads rules apply. You don't get a right turn filter out of Balgreen Road however much the junction design implies there should be one</p> <p>Drivers certainly behave as if they have priority turning right most of the time and it's in my opinion worth drawing attention to again. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247317 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 10:45:38 +0000 jonty 247317@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If I'm understanding correctly, isn't this just the normal practice of two directly opposing roads getting a simultaneous green? Looks from Streetview that this has been the case for a while. Right turning traffic from Balgreen Road should of course give way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17631#post-247299 Thu, 20 Apr 2017 10:07:52 +0000 lorlane 247299@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This light, exiting H C onto Gorgie Rd/Balgreen, shows green at the same time as traffic coming up from Balgreen Road.<br /> The first time I got a bit of a fright and thought maybe I was too slow in completing the crossing when I saw the traffic bear down on me, but today I looked back and there is an overlap where both signals are green.<br /> I've reported it (Clarence). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11087#post-128505 Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:52:09 +0000 wingpig 128505@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bottom of Esslemont Road, as if heading to Lady Road. Craning required even from mid-way into the ASZ. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11087#post-126479 Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:34:29 +0000 wingpig 126479@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Also heading east along the same road a little bit earlier, just before the Asda junction, if you're primary in the right-hand lane.</p> <p>Also the left-turn filter light for heading into East Preston Street from Dalkeith Road requires some stretching and craning to see if you're at the ASL. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11087#post-124224 Sat, 07 Sep 2013 09:21:44 +0000 gembo 124224@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@kapps, that is a bad junction. The low sun has been interfering with me seeing things this week back on our usual route cross, with me heading west at tea time.</p> <p>I have rolled too far to see lights and had to reverse, doesn't help if car behind follows you into the red box </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11087#post-124204 Fri, 06 Sep 2013 23:50:47 +0000 wingpig 124204@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Noticed a few, but not currently able to remember where. There are some where I've had to shuffle back a bit (after naturally heading to where my front wheel is just behind the forwardmost line) and crane sideways to make the light directly visible. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11087#post-124202 Fri, 06 Sep 2013 23:42:06 +0000 kaputnik 124202@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Aha. It was heading heading east from Lindsay Road into Commercial Street, at the Ocean Terminal junction. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11087#post-124201 Fri, 06 Sep 2013 23:40:39 +0000 kaputnik 124201@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was queuing at traffic lights the other day, in middle of an ASL. I suddenly realised that although the traffic lights were visible to me, I could hardly see which light was illuminated.</p> <p>Then I read this evening that there are modern traffic lights which are deliberately designed not to be visible at wider angles so that only the intended lane can see it. It was one of the modern-type signals, with the matrix lens (rather than the curved glass one of old) Now this is all well and good if you are back a bit, in a higher vehicle or are approaching the light from a distance. But completely useless if you're placed on a bike where you can't really make out the signal.</p> <p>I'm now struggling to remember where this was as I commented to my riding companion at the time that the junction design was poor as there was no repeater lights on the far side of the junction and it was very hard to see the changing signal.</p> <p>Anyone else noticed lights like these? </p>