http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: Tram cyclepath - Recent Posts en Sun, 17 May 2026 11:13:56 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383&page=2#post-119483 Thu, 25 Jul 2013 23:32:00 +0000 Kim 119483@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There are there to remind pedestrian that they are not supposed to walk, but should be driving 400m to the shops instead... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383&page=2#post-119234 Wed, 24 Jul 2013 10:39:35 +0000 AKen 119234@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Crossing the road from Slateford Station to Asda as a pedestrian involves FOUR waits for a green signal because of these staggered crossings. It's a real pain in the posterior and, I'm sure, encourages people to take risks. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383&page=2#post-119225 Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:52:38 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 119225@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I hate those central-railed islands. Allegedly for pedestrian safety, but of greater safety is being able to cross the entire road in one go and not being coralled into the centre.</p> <p>Of course the <em>actual</em> reason for such islands is because lights can be red for traffic for shorter periods. Only need to have each light on red for the length of time it takes to cross <em>half</em> the road - whereas if peds had to cross a road in one go it would have to be red long enough for everyone to make it <em>all</em> the way across.</p> <p>But we'll be told it's for pedestrian safety. As ever. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383&page=2#post-119222 Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:33:01 +0000 PS 119222@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Gah. In the last couple of days, the nature of the ped/cycle crossing of York Place has become clearer as railings have been installed around a mid-road island. Cycling from Dublin Street to North St Andrew Street will involve crossing to the island, 90 degree turn right, cycle ten yards, 90 degree turn left, cross southern carriageway, then 45 degreee turn left to cross tramways. On the face of it, the island looks wide enough for two cyclists to pass in either direction, but throw peds into the mix and it's a "cyclist dismount" sign waiting to happen.</p> <p>I presume this is all designed to stop cyclists and peds stepping/stumbling/falling into the path of the <strike>silent assassins</strike> trams. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383&page=2#post-115651 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:06:57 +0000 steveo 115651@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm envisioning an hourly service of one super tram going up and down the one side of track... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383&page=2#post-115650 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 13:06:18 +0000 Min 115650@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>True. The crossing point is bound to need digging up and re-laying a couple of times before the tram even gets near it too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383&page=2#post-115647 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 12:54:51 +0000 kaputnik 115647@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Let us not congratulate them until they've successfully managed to get a tram to change directions through the crossing! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383&page=2#post-115645 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 12:48:01 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 115645@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Ah, they HAVE thought about it. Wonders never cease!</em>"</p> <p>Careful, there's always a big step from 'thinking' to 'correct implementation'... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383&page=2#post-115643 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 12:39:20 +0000 Min 115643@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah okay, I see what you mean.</p> <p><em>There is a crossover at the east end of York Place. The east bound trams will cross south to the west bound lines as they head off west again.</em></p> <p>Ah, they HAVE thought about it. Wonders never cease! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383&page=2#post-115642 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 12:35:02 +0000 PS 115642@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Min I meant the trams turning the corner from York Place into North St Andrew St, rather than having a turntable. </p> <p>This isn't really a zig-zag, more a sideways ramp, so no need to trun back on yourself - more a 80 degree turn to the left then an 80 degree turn to the right. Should be achievable on most bikes I'd have thought. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-115639 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 12:16:00 +0000 DaveC 115639@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well York place isn't perfectly level but I guess its more level than some sections of St Andrew Sq? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-115638 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 12:08:48 +0000 kaputnik 115638@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Oh, I assumed trams basically ran both ways and so didn't need to turn at either end...<br /> </em></p> <p>I think there's a headshunt, so the tram proceeds past the end of the route, runs past a set of points, then reverses back across (but with the points set to the other line) thus allowing it to change direction without doing a 3-pointer.</p> <p>Chdot (I think) told me that part of the enormous faff of the tram route is that these areas have to be perfectly flat, as the driver will be away from his controls when walking from one end of the tram to the other to get between cabs, and there must be no risk that the brakes could fail and the tram run away with noone in the captain's chair. This is why they had to choose York Place as the terminus - it couldn't be St. Andrew Square as there's not enough flat area beyond the tram stop to complete the reversing process. I'm assuming they aren't building a big ole' hydraulic buffer at the end of the line? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-115637 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 12:08:23 +0000 DaveC 115637@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is a crossover at the east end of York Place. The east bound trams will cross south to the west bound lines as they head off west again.</p> <p>York Place<br /> ==========//=== Terminus<br /> ....................//...<br /> ========//===== Terminus </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-115636 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 12:03:43 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 115636@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh, I assumed trams basically ran both ways and so didn't need to turn at either end... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-115632 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:46:21 +0000 Min 115632@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em> The stop line for westbound York Pl traffic will need to be to the east of the cycle crossing to allow plenty space for the trams turning anyway.</em></p> <p>Are the trams going to turn? The lines are very close together and it is difficult to imagine what is supposed to happen here. Has the council actually given it any thought yet? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-115630 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:43:24 +0000 Rabid Hamster 115630@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>nb: All these 'zig-zag designs fail because they don't fit the 'alpine' loop on the bend! eg the bend should open to a large outside radius deliberately and then tucks in again, maximising the turn for more users! Eez simples really! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-115628 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:40:23 +0000 Min 115628@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I bet they place high protection fencing on this new cycle infrastructure... </em></p> <p>Yes, I was wondering if it would be possible to just ride straight up/down rather than straight into other cyclists on the hairpins but I bet they fence it all so you can't. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-115627 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:38:34 +0000 Rabid Hamster 115627@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Crap for trikes, trailers, tandems and recs! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-115593 Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:00:21 +0000 DaveC 115593@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I bet they place high protection fencing on this new cycle infrastructure... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-115558 Sun, 23 Jun 2013 22:45:35 +0000 Snowy 115558@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If you're on an MTB and there are no pedestrians around, the Broomhouse ones are well placed for a fun high-speed drop-off. Erm. Hypothetically of course.<br /> *cough* </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-115535 Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:46:04 +0000 kaputnik 115535@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>cambered is the new flat </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-115520 Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:18:59 +0000 custard 115520@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>going by the Broomhouse path,they seem to building skateboard ramps wherever possible </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-115508 Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:55:47 +0000 chdot 115508@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe it's for skateboarders -</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/9115729626/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7449/9115729626_ab0d768070.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-113942 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:03:54 +0000 PS 113942@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I would guess that there will be a combined pedestrian and cycle phase on the lights at the NStAndSt/YorkPl junction. The stop line for westbound York Pl traffic will need to be to the east of the cycle crossing to allow plenty space for the trams turning anyway. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-113895 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:38:46 +0000 chdot 113895@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"The good thing to report on that high kerbing on York Place is that opposite the top of the ramp are two sets of dropped kerb, which suggests a direct cycle route across the tramlines before they turn and onto the east side of North St Andrew Street."</p> <p>Will be interesting to see how the 'official desire line' is actually indicated. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-113893 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:23:31 +0000 PS 113893@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Heh. Got one working... :)</p> <p>Now to work out how I managed to get the farm8.static address again...</p> <p>Edit/ tada! </p> <p>Thanks for the encouragement, SRD! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-113892 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:22:06 +0000 SRD 113892@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>&lt;edit&gt; </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-113891 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:17:32 +0000 PS 113891@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ramp<br /> <img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3733/9019872126_b540e88e5d.jpg"></p> <p>Dropped kerb<br /> <img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7413/9019893632_a33558fbde.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-113887 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:35:45 +0000 chdot 113887@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Was trying to link it from the iPhone app"</p> <p>Not sure if poss - just use Safari. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10383#post-113886 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:31:07 +0000 PS 113886@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks chdot. Was trying to link it from the iPhone app, but it's currently beyond me. Will aim to rectify in the morning... </p>