http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: Tram track suggestions - Recent Posts en Tue, 19 May 2026 01:41:26 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=6#post-345013 Wed, 27 Jan 2021 14:00:10 +0000 acsimpson 345013@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Have any been installed at Haymarket yet? I now actively avoid going west through Haymarket after a string of two or three attempts on my life by following drivers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=6#post-345008 Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:46:23 +0000 I were right about that saddle 345008@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The advance greens at the bottom of Kirk Brae are invisible from the ASZ unless you crick your neck.</p> <p>Like ASZs they're a motorist's fantasy of what a cyclist might want. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=6#post-345001 Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:21:18 +0000 jonty 345001@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes it's those lights I'm thinking most of here. Clearly a total afterthought.</p> <p>I agree that drivers are generally pretty compliant, in my experience. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=6#post-345000 Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:10:12 +0000 Arellcat 345000@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Morningsider: I noticed this at the big junction at the bottom of Liberton Brae, when the cyclist greens were installed. Drivers now seem to have got the hang of it.</p> <p>@Jonty: Said Liberton lights are actually impossible to view if you're at the ASL because they haven't put any on the far side of the junction. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=6#post-344999 Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:09:29 +0000 jonty 344999@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've still no idea why they don't implement these as angled low-level signals so they're more obviously targeted at bikes. They often don't put them on the 'repeater' signals, presumably as they'd just look like green lights at that distance, so you have to crane your neck up to look at them. The ones at Broughton Street are particularly bizarre, off the side of the main head like a filter arrow. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=6#post-344998 Wed, 27 Jan 2021 12:45:55 +0000 Morningsider 344998@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I have been through these a couple of times - drivers just set off when the green cycle lights illuminated. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=6#post-344995 Wed, 27 Jan 2021 12:06:56 +0000 chdot 344995@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1354383816450781184" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1354383816450781184</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=6#post-344980 Wed, 27 Jan 2021 10:00:35 +0000 CycleAlex 344980@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Early release signals have appeared at most of the tram junctions in the city centre. Saw them in action at Haymarket, Palmerston Place and The Mound.</p> <p>The physical measures are still not on the ground however. A mere two and a half years late so far. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=6#post-306856 Thu, 16 May 2019 19:17:22 +0000 rbrtwtmn 306856@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>These are indeed the long planned claims - as in this 2017 BBC article: <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-41002038" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-41002038</a> - back then it did actually say <em> "Following a brief hearing at the Court of Session in Edinburgh <strong>a judge set an eight-day hearing in May 2019</strong></em> for the two cases" so here we are. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=6#post-306771 Thu, 16 May 2019 09:26:40 +0000 jonty 306771@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"A similar case is being brought by Ian Lowdean who was injured when he fell on Princes Street on 22 October, 2012.</p> <p>A further 39 claims against Edinburgh Trams by cyclists have been put on hold while these two lead cases proceed." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=6#post-306765 Wed, 15 May 2019 22:23:56 +0000 rbrtwtmn 306765@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So do I detect that this is / these are the first cases claiming compensation, from the list of hundreds? Is this it eventually reaching court so very long after the event? Does anyone know more? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=6#post-306691 Wed, 15 May 2019 12:10:13 +0000 Juanito 306691@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I normally try to avoid the tram tracks, but with Leith street closed I've altered my route home a little to take a right from Princess Street up St. David Street (St. Andrew Sq.). </p> <p>It leaves something to be desired...</p> <p>The advisory paint there makes it really difficult to know where to put your bike. Left edge of the right hand lane and then swing further left before making the turn and hope your not taken out by the car from behind? Or just get off and use the pedestrian phase might be better... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=6#post-306661 Wed, 15 May 2019 08:23:45 +0000 I were right about that saddle 306661@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-48273170">The nurse, who was wearing a cycling helmet, said she suffered injuries to her knee and chin, and a black eye appeared the following day.</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=6#post-283288 Thu, 24 May 2018 14:34:02 +0000 neddie 283288@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>...we are currently aiming for construction of the proposals <strong>to commence in late 2018</strong>.</em></p> <p>Sounds good.</p> <p>Also looks like Grosvenor St will be made one-way, which is also good. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=6#post-283274 Thu, 24 May 2018 11:41:46 +0000 wingpig 283274@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lots of truncated responses in the responses document - I hope this is an artefact of the publishing process and that responses were captured in full.</p> <p>This was short enough to appear in full:<br /> <blockquote><em>"This is still dangerous garbage. You will get people killed with this design. Experienced cyclists won't use this layout.<br /> Inexperienced cyclists will not cycle in this area."</em></blockquote></p> <p>Some respondents mistook the council's consultation hub for the Evening News' comment section. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=5#post-283273 Thu, 24 May 2018 11:33:07 +0000 neddie 283273@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Tram Route Cycle Safety Improvements consultation report</p> <p><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/tram-route-cycle-safety-improvements/" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/tram-route-cycle-safety-improvements/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=5#post-280023 Wed, 11 Apr 2018 14:20:06 +0000 Klaxon 280023@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Would suggest anyone yet to respond suggests the Cutlins Rd crossings are constructed as tiger xings and not informal, unmarked crossings as proposed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=5#post-280021 Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:25:45 +0000 neddie 280021@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strong>Consultation closes today</strong></p> <p>Living Streets response to the consultation:</p> <p><a href="http://www.livingstreetsedinburgh.org.uk/2018/04/10/edinburgh-tram-route-cycle-safety-consultation-comments-by-lse/" rel="nofollow">http://www.livingstreetsedinburgh.org.uk/2018/04/10/edinburgh-tram-route-cycle-safety-consultation-comments-by-lse/</a></p> <p>Interesting they don't state which option they prefer for Grosvenor St. And complain about the loss of footway on Princes St, but offer no specific alternative other than, "a fresh approach to improving cycling safety" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=5#post-279958 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 16:26:00 +0000 steveo 279958@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Princes St is nothing like as busy as it was when the pavements were first extended I'm not convinced anything would be lost for pedestrians in reality. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=5#post-279955 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 16:08:21 +0000 neddie 279955@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I can't help thinking that Living Streets are picking a fight for the sake of a fight.</p> <p>As Frenchy implies, the tram tracks cannot be moved. The buildings also cannot be moved.</p> <p>So unless you want to build a bridge, or subway, or ban bikes altogether, the space <em>has </em>to come from the footway </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=5#post-279953 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 15:57:21 +0000 chdot 279953@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>CITY of Edinburgh Council should rethink its controversial plan to narrow the pavement 
on a busy section of Princes Street, campaigners claimed last night. </p> <p>Living Streets Edinburgh – responding to the council’s Tram Route Cycle Safety Consultation – said narrowing one of the busiest pavements in Edinburgh – at the junction of Princes Street and South St Andrew Street – could compromise safety.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/narrowing-princes-street-pavement-risks-safety-says-campaigners-1-4721629" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/narrowing-princes-street-pavement-risks-safety-says-campaigners-1-4721629</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=5#post-279950 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 15:31:40 +0000 Frenchy 279950@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't want footways to get smaller either, but there's unfortunately <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@55.9528187,-3.1922625,3a,75y,63.16h,78.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8Wr5srWLe3QOAhu3yZiX3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656">literally nowhere else</a> to take the space from. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=5#post-279949 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 15:29:17 +0000 neddie 279949@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Spokes' response:</p> <p><a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1804-Spokes-response-to-Tram-Route-Cycle-Safety-Improvements-Phase-3.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1804-Spokes-response-to-Tram-Route-Cycle-Safety-Improvements-Phase-3.pdf</a></p> <p>from:</p> <p><a href="http://www.spokes.org.uk/documents/public-transport/tram/#s2" rel="nofollow">http://www.spokes.org.uk/documents/public-transport/tram/#s2</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=5#post-279946 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 15:19:53 +0000 Stickman 279946@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/narrowing-princes-street-pavement-risks-safety-says-campaigners-1-4721629" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/narrowing-princes-street-pavement-risks-safety-says-campaigners-1-4721629</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=5#post-279937 Tue, 10 Apr 2018 14:07:14 +0000 Frenchy 279937@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Closes tomorrow. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=5#post-279579 Thu, 05 Apr 2018 21:48:04 +0000 neddie 279579@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My response to the consultation. Feel free to crib as required:</p> <p><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/qzgt08cqtyohmqm/tram%20safety%20phase%203%20consultation%20response.rtf?dl=0" rel="nofollow">https://www.dropbox.com/s/qzgt08cqtyohmqm/tram%20safety%20phase%203%20consultation%20response.rtf?dl=0</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=5#post-279405 Wed, 04 Apr 2018 11:07:48 +0000 neddie 279405@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Reminder: Consultation on the proposed designs for cycle safety improvements along the existing Edinburgh Tram route.</p> <p><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/tram-route-cycle-safety-improvements/" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/tram-route-cycle-safety-improvements/</a></p> <p><strong>The important thing is to at least specify your preferred option (1 or 2) for Grosvenor St</strong>.</p> <p>Option 2 makes Grosvenor St oneway and prevents left turns into Grosvenor St from Dalry Rd, which makes it far safer for cyclists (will prevent left-hooks here), IMHO.</p> <p><strong>Closes 11 Apr 2018</strong> - one week to go... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=5#post-277786 Sun, 18 Mar 2018 18:05:14 +0000 chdot 277786@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/975415999586603009" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/975415999586603009</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=5#post-277671 Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:56:29 +0000 Frenchy 277671@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/tram-route-cycle-safety-improvements/" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/tram-route-cycle-safety-improvements/</a></p> <p>Lots to take in here. Early release lights etc. The narrowing of the end of Grosvenor St is interesting.</em></p> <p>Indeed. Option 2 (making it no entry and left turn only on exit) would be even better. </p> <p>Does anyone have thoughts on how well the proposed layouts would work for cyclists heading for Torphicen St? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=5#post-277610 Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:42:19 +0000 acsimpson 277610@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Given the current schedule of project presented elsewhere and assuming no magical speed solution for CET or any of the others I suspect our children will be heading towards secondary school before anything significant is seen on the ground from CET. </p>