http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: trams - Recent Posts en Wed, 13 May 2026 01:49:02 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18554#post-323265 Tue, 25 Feb 2020 12:02:16 +0000 chdot 323265@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ho ho</p> <p>I’m sure you’ve all got more than one Twitter a/c... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18554#post-323264 Tue, 25 Feb 2020 11:58:16 +0000 SRD 323264@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>i'm in good company then. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18554#post-323239 Mon, 24 Feb 2020 18:56:53 +0000 neddie 323239@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Am blocked by Chris Oliver on Twitter. Dunno what I did to upset him? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18554#post-323238 Mon, 24 Feb 2020 18:23:15 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 323238@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Edinburgh tram designs criticised after new figures show number of cyclists who fell off their bikes last year due to the tracks. Comments by Prof Chris Oliver"</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/CyclingSurgeon/status/1231912328926502916" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/CyclingSurgeon/status/1231912328926502916</a></p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-tram-designs-criticised-after-new-figures-show-number-cyclists-who-fell-their-bikes-last-year-due-tracks-1887427" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-tram-designs-criticised-after-new-figures-show-number-cyclists-who-fell-their-bikes-last-year-due-tracks-1887427</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18554#post-275076 Tue, 13 Feb 2018 17:12:44 +0000 Ed1 275076@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5385909/Shoppers-cut-cyclist-free-tram-PEN-KNIFE.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5385909/Shoppers-cut-cyclist-free-tram-PEN-KNIFE.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18554#post-274183 Fri, 02 Feb 2018 08:36:30 +0000 Frenchy 274183@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Snowy - Indeed. It actually gets even worse if you keep going past the hospital:</p> <p><a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9168351,-3.1317072,3a,75y,109.14h,90.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRHsZ_WBBiUVPXCs6VGBEsg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en">Here</a>, before disappearing at the pinch points <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9156465,-3.1297008,3a,45.5y,128.08h,85.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soR3wPdtpuHhVxay_pQF-sQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en">here</a> and <a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@55.9140661,-3.1267086,3a,75y,135.67h,86.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smP7-XJPzld-Yxo7DCTBflA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en">here</a> (I have had drivers try and overtake me through those) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18554#post-274177 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 23:36:28 +0000 Snowy 274177@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@IWRATS The road to from Cameron Toll to Craigmillar is hairy enough on a bike but out to the ERI is even worse. I had a relative undergo a reverse-shoulder operation recently due to a fall, and while paying visits to ERI, I was struck by how narrow the cycle lane is at the brow of the hill just NW of the hospital. Double-yellow-lines and then literally about 40cm of cycle lane, and at the precise point you need some support from motorised idiocy. Sigh. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18554#post-274176 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 23:28:29 +0000 Snowy 274176@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Works perfectly, thanks @Murun and Chris. Very interesting! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18554#post-274146 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 15:13:44 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 274146@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hopefully this is OK:</p> <p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322681928_Tram_system_related_cycling_injuries" rel="nofollow">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322681928_Tram_system_related_cycling_injuries</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18554#post-274135 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 12:59:51 +0000 I were right about that saddle 274135@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Very interesting abstract, thanks Chris.</p> <p>To add an anecdatum to the thread I was talking to a keen working class cyclist from Craigmillar the other day at Bridgend Farm. To quote him;</p> <p><em>The kids can all go a bike but their folks winnae let them ride into town.</em></p> <p>I've always had the impression that Edinburgh city centre cyclists are predominantly middle class. PoP seems like Waitrose on Wheels sometimes.</p> <p>I would love to see Craigmilar coming and going by bicycle but I have no idea if they want to and if so how to bring it about. Other than high-quality segregated paths and houses with suitable storage for bikes built in. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18554#post-274119 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 11:45:52 +0000 olivercw 274119@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Murum, please provide links to other material. Users can email me off forum to ask for copies of the paper. My email is in the post. Chris Oliver </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18554#post-274115 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 11:18:27 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 274115@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks Prof Oliver for your diligence in researching this topic of importance to virtually all cyclists in Edinburgh, and indeed society as a whole. </p> <p>Working on the basis that few here will have easy access to the Archives of Orthopaedic and Trauma Surgery, do you have any objections if others provide existing publicly available links to the complete paper? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18554#post-274112 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 10:44:16 +0000 olivercw 274112@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Tram system related cycling injuries paper was published this week. I'm not allowed to give the whole paper away free by the publisher, only the abstract.<br /> Maempel, J.F., Mackenzie, S.P., Stirling, P.H.C., McCann, C., Oliver, C.W., White, T.O. (all surgeons at NRIE).<br /> Arch Orthop Trauma Surg (2018). ePub ahead of print.<br /> <a href="https://doi.org/10.1007/s00402-018-2890-4">DOI</a> <a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00402-018-2890-4">Journal Link</a><br /> Abstract. Introduction<br /> Understanding of tram-system related cycling injuries (TSRCI) is poor. The aim of this study was to report the spectrum of injuries, demographics and social deprivation status of patients. Secondary aims included assessment of accident circumstances, effects of TSRCI on patients’ confidence cycling, together with time off work and cycling.<br /> Methods<br /> A retrospective review of patients presenting to emergency services across all hospitals in Edinburgh and West Lothian with tram related injuries between May 2009 and April 2016 was undertaken. Medical records and imagining were analysed and patients were contacted by telephone.<br /> Results<br /> 191 cyclists (119 males, 72 females) were identified. 63 patients sustained one or more fractures or dislocations. Upper limb fractures/dislocations occurred in 55, lower limb fractures in 8 and facial fractures in 2. Most patients demonstrated low levels of socioeconomic deprivation. In 142 cases, the wheel was caught in tram-tracks, while in 32 it slid on tracks. The latter occurred more commonly in wet conditions (p = 0.028). 151 patients answered detailed questionnaires. Ninety-eight were commuting. 112 patients intended to cross tramlines and 65 accidents occurred at a junction. Eighty patients reported traffic pressures contributed to their accident. 120 stated that their confidence was affected and 24 did not resume cycling. Female gender (p &lt; 0.001) and presence of a fracture/dislocation (p = 0.012) were independent predictors of negative effects on confidence. Patients sustaining a fracture/dislocation spent more time off work (median 5 days vs 1, p &lt; 0.001) and cycling (median 57 days vs 21, p &lt; 0.001).<br /> Conclusions<br /> TSRCI occur predominantly in young to middle-aged adults with low levels of socioeconomic deprivation, most commonly when bicycle wheels get caught in tram-tracks. They result in various injuries, frequently affecting the upper limb. Traffic pressures are commonly implicated. Most patients report negative effects on confidence and a sizeable minority do not resume cycling. TSRCI can result in significant loss of working and cycling days.</p> <p>Prof Chris Oliver<br /> <a href="mailto:c.w.oliver@ed.ac.uk">c.w.oliver@ed.ac.uk</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10382#post-113557 Sun, 09 Jun 2013 16:50:35 +0000 chdot 113557@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>General tram thread here -</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8710" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8710</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10382#post-113272 Thu, 06 Jun 2013 13:12:01 +0000 cb 113272@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/uk-first-bikes-on-trams-policy-snubs-commuters-1-2954788">http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/uk-first-bikes-on-trams-policy-snubs-commuters-1-2954788</a></p> <p>"Bicycles will be allowed on Edinburgh’s trams in a British first – but not during rush hour, the Evening News can reveal." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8451#post-84792 Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:06:37 +0000 cb 84792@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/i-want-trams-to-go-down-leith-walk-says-harvey-nichols-boss-1-2531026">http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/i-want-trams-to-go-down-leith-walk-says-harvey-nichols-boss-1-2531026</a></p> <p>Gordon Drummond, director of Harvey Nichols, who also says, of George Street:</p> <p>"Closing off the road would allow for cafes and bars to spread out and it would create a very continental culture which would be a great addition to the city and would attract more people to the centre." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6312#post-67621 Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:59:36 +0000 crowriver 67621@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Surely the real opportunity is the the South Sub. Not only are there railway lines already in place, but Newtwork Rail plan to electrify the line soon. All we need are the stations to be refurbished, and passenger services eg. divert trains from North Berwick service via South Sub? Or from Borders line when it opens? Or even tram/train link line somewhere around Slateford... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6312#post-67558 Sun, 29 Apr 2012 08:42:52 +0000 Dave 67558@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They're low hanging fruit because they are already rail beds - no worries about what's underneath the track, for instance. Obviously it makes more sense to put the trams on road and take them to the Western General etc., but that would be expensive and unpopular with almost everyone.</p> <p>I can't see how we'll avoid losing the North Edinburgh paths but will be one of the ones fighting it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6312#post-67496 Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:08:12 +0000 Claggy Cog 67496@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>AS a south-Edinburgh resident I am going to be a complete NIMBY and say I don't want a tram line from Waverley to NRIE, the proposed route was going to run through a green belt area and/or local parks, great. Lothian buses have cut the number of buses going out to Little France,I suspect because they do not make a profit, so why would a tram be any different? This was after the RIE was moved out here, and in fact one bus route running from SE - SW was obviously so unprofitable that initially it changed from a 10 - 15 minute service to half hourly, and is now shared between LB and First. Another bus route which went out to Fort Kinnaird no longer runs at all. When the Border line is reopened whole sections of the SEPN are going to be lost, so lets not contemplate losing all cycle ways out this way... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6312#post-67485 Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:23:53 +0000 minus six 67485@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Today was the first time in years that I've cycled into town via the Roseburn Path.</p> <p>Cyclists are dominating this path and going far too fast for shared use conditions.</p> <p>You can't have your cake and eat it.</p> <p>Get on the road ! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6312#post-67471 Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:39:42 +0000 Min 67471@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>What this does do is help to show how utterly devolved from the reality of how people get around cities Transport Scotland really are.</em></p> <p>It sure does. It is just all so wrong. You encourage people out of their cars by taking space away from peds and cyclists do you?</p> <p>The NEPN could do with being widened a bit - to allow a proper separate cycling and walking route. As cc has already mentioned, it can be very overcrowded, there are loose dogs running everywhere in a way they wouldn't on the road (as ExcitableBoy points out)and no-one is going to get out of their car to wobble very slowly round large number of dogs and pedestrians. </p> <p>We all know that the route would just be cut off to everybody for years and the resulting mixed use path would be something akin to the towpath. </p> <p>No</p> <p>Trams</p> <p>Here </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6312#post-67469 Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:21:56 +0000 kaputnik 67469@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Surely the key advantage trams have over trains is that you can run them on the roads - rather than have to build expensive grade segregated infrastructure like the Edinburgh trams plan.</p> <p>What this does do is help to show how utterly devolved from the reality of how people get around cities Transport Scotland really are.</p> <p>However, this being Edinburgh, we don't want to use the existing bit of railway we have that doesn't have stations and then we want to build a new bit of railway that we don't really need, just because there's a non-road corridor where it might go.</p> <p>The loss of the NEPN would be such a massive loss to the city, you can guarantee that any replacement/alternative provision would be far less satisfactory and would probably be built (I say built, signed/painted is probably more like the truth) long after they had closed the existing route to walkers and cyclists. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6312#post-67467 Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:37:36 +0000 cc 67467@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Can't remember where I read this but apparently the way to guarantee plenty of passengers for a new tram route is to run it between major railway stations and hospitals, and preferably also universities. If the Little France route ever gets built it at least should be a financial success - Waverley at one end, major hospital at the other, and large university campuses on/near the route too. It should have been line 1. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6312#post-67465 Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:04:00 +0000 crowriver 67465@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>MUCH better would be to increase pressure for the South Sub (existing) rail line to reopen to passengers.</em></p> <p>Re-opening the South Sub is in the Green party manifesto for the local elections. I don't think any party is talking about taking the trams down 'Line 1b' anymore. Only the Lib Dems mention extending the trams, and they talk about taking it to Little France, once its reached Leith via Leith Walk... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6312#post-67462 Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:52:58 +0000 Min 67462@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"There are times when people wanting to promote 'sustainable' transport should accept that things like the NEPN now have a better use - for 'active travel'. "</em></p> <p>Yes, the type of person who rates those paths as "under-used" either does not live here, or if they do does not actually do "sustainable transport" at all.. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6312#post-67460 Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:27:14 +0000 ExcitableBoy 67460@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"it was really quite awkward to have to weave back and forth between and around all the dog walkers"<br /> I think something needs to be done about dogs on shared use paths - people don't walk their dogs down the middle of roads. I'd like to see them banned altogether, but at the very least they should have to be kept on a short, fixed lead! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6312#post-67458 Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:11:27 +0000 chdot 67458@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There are times when people wanting to promote 'sustainable' transport should accept that things like the NEPN now have a better use - for 'active travel'. </p> <p>Not like there is spare cash around...</p> <p>MUCH better would be to increase pressure for the South Sub (existing) rail line to reopen to passengers. </p> <p>Would have been nice if it could have had working stations when the Borders Line is reopened. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6312#post-67456 Sat, 28 Apr 2012 08:04:33 +0000 cc 67456@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Transform Scotland wants to put trams on to the north Edinburgh cycle paths, says the Scotsman:</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/fifty-years-after-rail-track-fell-silent-trams-offer-new-lease-of-life-1-2261752">Fifty years after rail track fell silent, trams offer new lease of life</a></p> <p>I was on these paths last weekend. They're lovely but already crowded - it was really quite awkward to have to weave back and forth between and around all the dog walkers. I wouldn't like to meet a tram there too, for all I want a city tram network. And I certainly wouldn't want my wheels to meet a tram line. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3228#post-33899 Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:51:31 +0000 spytefear 33899@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Glad you like it :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3228#post-33898 Mon, 20 Jun 2011 13:46:36 +0000 chdot 33898@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> EdinReporter: <a href="http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php?option=com_altcaster&amp;task=viewaltcast&amp;altcast_code=895b167dcd&amp;ipod=y&amp;rand=">We are going to leave this open for a couple of hours</a> to allow for more comment during the afternoon. So tell your friends that they can log on and make comments below or by using the hashtag #TERtrams<br /> Monday June 20, 2011 13:41 </p> <p>"</p> <p>Comments more reasonable than ENews ones sometimes are <em>and</em> EdinburghTrams is taking part! </p>