http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: trams court - Recent Posts en Mon, 18 May 2026 03:02:11 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18050#post-267657 Fri, 24 Nov 2017 15:20:05 +0000 Tulyar 267657@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anyone know when FAI is due for Zhi Min Soh. </p> <p>Added comment to </p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/aidan-smith-the-perils-of-inner-city-cycling-1-4550868" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/aidan-smith-the-perils-of-inner-city-cycling-1-4550868</a></p> <p>Bear in mind that a very basic move to fit the same style of lifeguards to buses as are already fitted to the trams, to prevent the 8-10 ton axles from crushing you, and near certainty of death or life changing injuries, there is surely one intervention that is blindingly obvious? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18050#post-267631 Fri, 24 Nov 2017 13:08:46 +0000 Rosie 267631@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@IWRATS - I look forward telling the young 'uns as they cruise around safe, rational infrastructure how they don't know they're alive. In my day you had to go through SAS training to be fit for cycling and it toughened you up and made a <strike>man</strike> cyclist of you. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18050#post-267584 Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:26:14 +0000 I were right about that saddle 267584@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@wingpig</p> <p>You know cycle infrastructure is working well when cyclists dress and behave like infantry soldiers. Helmets with cameras, drills to protect wounded comrades and so on. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18050#post-267578 Fri, 24 Nov 2017 09:57:11 +0000 wingpig 267578@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A cyclist came off on the tracks on Princes Street on their way up to the right-turn to South St David Street this morning; they were back up on their feet within seconds. The other cyclist immediately behind them immediately stuck their bike protectively sideways on their traffic side, but fortunately the bus-jam at Waverley Bridge hadn't yet unclogged itself, leaving a bit of vehicle-free space. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18050#post-259391 Tue, 05 Sep 2017 14:54:27 +0000 Tulyar 259391@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Crossing the tram lines SLOWLY at a shallow angle is THE GUARANTEED WAY to have the front tyre deflected to line up with the groove and fall off - I'll happily proove that, and have tested it - cross fast and with firm but not rigid control of 'bars' nd the momentum of the bike counteracts the turning moment whan the tyre rests only on 2 smooth steel edges. </p> <p>When you get slowed down by a vehicle blocking the clear route through (like a bus) then you fall</p> <p>The other type of fall is when you put a side force on the tyre contact patch when it sits straddling the groove on those 2 smooth steel edges and the bike slides sideways. This happens regardless of the crossing angle, especially when the rail - road transverse profile is substandard relative to the standards both advised by ORR guidance (2006) and set out in the Tramways Act 1870.</p> <p>The MAXIMUM overall differnce in road-rail levels is 6mm and the case Roe vs Sheffield Supertram further recognised the standard for metalwork standing proud of a road surface is 3mm MAXIMUM*. The Edinburgh street track installation has struggled and largely failed to deliver on this. </p> <p>* as previously posted a whole raft of standards for vertical discrepancies in road pavements, tactile paving, rumble white lining, thermoplastic road markings, steelwork in the carriageway, dropped kerbs, level crossing panels...<br /> sets the limit at 6mm for high friction materials and 3mm for low friction (road markings/steelwork).</p> <p>I measured some of the installed rail and embedding system with a ridge of nearly 10mm in addition to the rail groove just perfectly set to bring down a cyclist - without any help from the rail.</p> <p>And additionally these details hardly help..... with chunks of concrete falling out of the concrete track slab ...</p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/36211824983/in/datetaken/" rel="nofollow">https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/36211824983/in/datetaken/</a></p> <p><a href="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4285/34987974492_42ac8ecf56_z.jpg" rel="nofollow">https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4285/34987974492_42ac8ecf56_z.jpg</a> (Haymarket - right beside place where folk cycle) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18050#post-259375 Tue, 05 Sep 2017 12:19:57 +0000 chdot 259375@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Sounds like the bus driver was a bit close in the first place"</p> <p>Sadly, probably. </p> <p>Far too many bus drivers exhibit 'must get to the bus stop 1 second sooner' tendencies. </p> <p>Bus cos- esp LB - really need to <em>regularly</em> tell drivers to hold back ESPECIALLY where there are tramlines. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18050#post-259374 Tue, 05 Sep 2017 11:48:37 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 259374@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"The truth is I’ve hardly ridden the thing on the roads since getting it stuck in Edinburgh’s tram tracks. Thanks are due to the little old lady who came to my aid and of course to the bus driver who crunched to a halt in the nick of time. Lying in the middle of Princes Street after this most public of forced dismounts, I gazed up admiringly at this man who’d demonstrated completely control of his 12-ton charabanc, its wheel stopping just inches from my head. But I was lucky, and don’t feel like tempting fate, so the bike is mainly used off-road now."</p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/aidan-smith-the-perils-of-inner-city-cycling-1-4550868" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/aidan-smith-the-perils-of-inner-city-cycling-1-4550868</a></p> <p>Sounds like the bus driver was a bit close in the first place, unless there is some artistic embellishment going on. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18050#post-258022 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:46:56 +0000 mgj 258022@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Perhaps given the location of the Court of Session, similar actions could be taken in relation to the brass cobbles marking the Culloden Wall </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18050#post-258013 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 16:12:30 +0000 Rosie 258013@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@dougal, mgj - the thought of a mass cycle to rule vis-a-vis tram tracks had crossed my mind as well </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18050#post-258008 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 15:59:36 +0000 mgj 258008@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This surely calls for a mass observance of the advice... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18050#post-257987 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:15:20 +0000 I were right about that saddle 257987@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Careful pedestrians requiring to cross rifle ranges should do so as low to the ground as possible, at high speed and taking care. If that cannot be done a pedestrian should dig a trench underneath the stream of bullets. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18050#post-257983 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:03:36 +0000 dougal 257983@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If I didn't think that was a far more dangerous proposition I'd be well up for "commuting to rule".</p> <p>With a copy of the <em>Council's Rules for Cyclists Sharing the Road</em> in hand I would stop in front of every tram track, dismount and walk the bicycle gingerly across the tracks, reposition, remount and move off - at least for another ten paces. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18050#post-257973 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:41:06 +0000 unhurt 257973@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>(And entirely impractical - dismount in the middle of the road???) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18050#post-257957 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:21:30 +0000 I were right about that saddle 257957@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The least that can be said for those words is that they are grossly disrespectful of the parents of <a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-40138245">Zhi Min Soh</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18050#post-257956 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:17:18 +0000 spytfyre 257956@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/cyclist-sues-edinburgh-council-50k-for-tram-fall-1-4537955">EEN story</a></p> <p>"It is said that when cyclists cross tram tracks at an acute angle there is a risk that a wheel will catch or slip on the groove of the track."<br /> It is said??? How about it happens... FACT</p> <p>"Liability in the action is contested. The council said the presence of the tram lines was or ought to have been obvious to all careful road users. It is said: “They were clearly visible and did not present a significant risk of an accident to any careful cyclist exercising reasonable care.” “Careful cyclists requiring to cross tram lines should do so at as large an angle as possible, at <strong>slow speed</strong> and when taking care. If that cannot be done a cyclist should <strong>dismount</strong>,” it is said."</p> <p>It is said again.</p> <p>It is said the EEN sucks manure through a rancid hose.</p> <p>I just said it so it is said.</p> <p>Slow speed, aye try that with a taxi right up yer chuff.<br /> Dismount? Aye and walk the entire tram route... </p>