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CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: urban quarter - Recent Posts http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Tag: urban quarter - Recent Posts en Tue, 19 May 2026 10:05:29 +0000 chdot on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=4#post-335477 Wed, 05 Aug 2020 13:36:43 +0000 chdot 335477@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/aug/04/uk-cities-suburban-covid-iwg-home-working" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/aug/04/uk-cities-suburban-covid-iwg-home-working</a> CycleAlex on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=4#post-330520 Sat, 23 May 2020 17:21:38 +0000 CycleAlex 330520@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ A rather enormous planning application has been submitted for the residential element of the site (nearly 200 drawings and 700 odd pages worth of Design and Access statements): <a href="https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=QAKQ9LEW09Z00">20/02068/FUL</a> Some moderately interesting lines from a cursory look at the nearly 550 pages worth of Transport Statement: <blockquote> vehicular access across the tram line will be restricted to emergency vehicles and buses only, enforced by a Traffic Regulation Order (TRO). This will effectively operate as a bus gate; The footways throughout the Proposed Development will vary in width from 2m to 5m, with raised tables or dropped kerbs at all the crossing points. They will be located along the building lines to encourage an active frontage through the Proposed Development, in contrast to the existing business park estate, which can be seen as sterile and empty. ...a proposed Tiger crossing over Lochside Avenue Two segregated cycle routes will be provided within the Proposed Development. A west-east route will run parallel to Cross Street, with a south-north route running adjacent to Tram Street East, connecting to Apartment Street which will be a designated Quiet Street. Cycle Hire docking stations will also be provided throughout the Proposed Development, which will be operated by a third party (currently Just Eat Cycles) To the south, the existing barrier control system on Station Park and Lochside Avenue will be retained. • Cycle Parking (Commercial): 340 spaces; • Cycle Parking (Hotel): 23 spaces; • Cycle Parking (Residential): 3,635 spaces; • Cycle Parking (on-street visitor): 48 spaces; • Car Parking (Commercial): 109 spaces (including 7 disabled); • Car Parking (Hotel): 23 spaces (including 2 disabled); • Car Parking (Residential): 557 spaces (including 49 disabled); • Car Parking (on-street visitor): 70 spaces (including 9 disabled); Overall, the Proposed Development will deliver 1,774 (1,180+594) fewer car parking spaces than could be permitted under CEC’s current parking guidelines. Some on-street parking will be available throughout the Proposed Development, although none will be permitted on Cross Street. On-street parking will be for short term only and will be enforced by a TRO, policed by CEC Wardens. Long term onstreet parking will not be permitted. The introduction of a cargo bike loan scheme to residential tenants and employees could be explored. The Detailed Planning Application for a Residential-led mixed-use Masterplan at Edinburgh Park marks a sea change in how the Park has evolved since its inception in the 1990s. The proposals concentrate on creating places for people, as opposed promoting continued, unchecked car use.</blockquote> CycleAlex on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=4#post-328156 Wed, 22 Apr 2020 13:03:39 +0000 CycleAlex 328156@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ They've submitted an EIA which has quite a detailed drawing at the end. Notably, it shows the bidirectional cycle lane + toucan @Hankchief mentioned. It seems to have slightly clearer priority over side-roads but they don't appear to be raised - although that could just be something that isn't shown in this drawing. Access controls appear to be maintained rather than removed. There's also a new on-road, advisory cycle lane on Lochside Court which I assume is to link the segregated section to QR8/EdPkSt. <img src="https://i.imgur.com/TU6WeWn.png"> <a href="https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=Q87O9FEW0GY00">20/01539/SCR</a> - <a href="http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/FE6CBEB8AEEF9CE833F546DA40A79F95/pdf/20_01539_SCR-EIA_SCREENING_REPORT-4569607.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/FE6CBEB8AEEF9CE833F546DA40A79F95/pdf/20_01539_SCR-EIA_SCREENING_REPORT-4569607.pdf</a> neddie on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=4#post-323522 Fri, 28 Feb 2020 09:47:21 +0000 neddie 323522@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ If Edinburgh Park were being designed from scratch, you would put the offices next to the bypass and the houses further "inland", instead of the other way round. But that would involve joined-up thinking from the outset. HankChief on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=4#post-323514 Fri, 28 Feb 2020 08:21:59 +0000 HankChief 323514@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Thanks Alex. I had a few meeting with the developer and they do seem to be keen not to have a car dominated development and have listen to suggestions on how to connect up the cycle routes. I reckon it is a decent attempt, but happy to hear the CCE critique. CycleAlex on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=4#post-323513 Fri, 28 Feb 2020 08:05:43 +0000 CycleAlex 323513@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Looks like it'll be a pleasantly high density development, 1800 homes proposed. Quite a bit of green space and a large public square too. Office phase is under construction, completion due 2021. Planning application for the residential phase is still to come. <blockquote>The site allows for easy integration into the existing and proposed pedestrian and cyclist networks using segregated facilities.</blockquote> CycleAlex on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-323512 Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:35:15 +0000 CycleAlex 323512@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Exhibition boards from their recent drop-in: <a href="https://cycleparking.net/cycle-routes/edinburgh-park.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://cycleparking.net/cycle-routes/edinburgh-park.pdf</a>, provided by @HankChief Variety of renders throughout but there's a overview on page 5/6. Mercifully it won't be dominated by ground level parking like the existing developments at Edinburgh Park. No massive glass office blocks unlike others, *cough* Haymarket. CycleAlex on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-316923 Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:58:56 +0000 CycleAlex 316923@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Did they mention how they're going to prevent it being a through route? Just hope no one uses it or something like a bus gate at the tram crossing? With it being bi-directional now hopefully they'll be more willing to do proper junction crossings for it. re: 3, I've never used/seen a Tiger crossing but how effective are they? I imagine quite a lot of drivers wouldn't realise the need to give way to crossing cycles as well as pedestrians. HankChief on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-316920 Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:27:05 +0000 HankChief 316920@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Yesterday I met with Parabola and talked through their plans. The good news is the plans I previously linked to are due to replaced with ones that should be even better for E-W cycling across their site. They have started the 2 year build on their first office block and some of their public realm (Open spaces and health centre / sports pictures), nearest to the existing Edinburgh Park buildings at the North of the site. This does not include their main E-W Boulevard (that I'm most interested in) as they are still in discussions with Edinburgh trams about the tram crossing. They will be submitting a planning application for the Housing (south of the boulevard – nearer to the train line) in January. This application will include revisions to the boulevard designs as follows: 1. The boulevard will be only be a through route for buses – cars may use it but only to access housing. The existing perimeter routes will be the main routes for cars. 2. The boulevard will be narrower with more space for pedestrians and a wide bi-directional cycle route separated from the roadway by a wide verge. 3. The junctions either end of the boulevard will not need to be traffic light controlled as they have much reduced traffic volumes. They are planning a toucan crossing to access the Bypass underpass – I have asked why it can’t be a Tiger crossing (a wide Zebra that bikes and peds can use)… 4. They are in dialogue with the Council’s West Edinburgh Link team, to ensure that their cycle paths look & feel like the ones that the council are planning for the wider Gyle area. 5. They are also looking at how to better link to the underpass under the railway (to the East of Edinburgh Park station) and the cut through to the Gyle. All in all I was pretty pleased with the session and their willingness to listen to our concerns and the importance of E-W cycling across their site. chdot on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-316777 Wed, 30 Oct 2019 15:59:52 +0000 chdot 316777@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ “ Going to hear the great Prof Geoff Palmer talk” Please report back - new thread? gembo on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-316756 Wed, 30 Oct 2019 13:30:44 +0000 gembo 316756@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Going to hear the great Prof Geoff Palmer talk about the slavery that built the New Town, in offices in Moray Place tonight acsimpson on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-316755 Wed, 30 Oct 2019 13:11:15 +0000 acsimpson 316755@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I'd agree with Neddie, It's an improvement but any cycle path of that length which doesn't maintain the same priority as the road it is parallel to is doomed to failure. neddie on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-316707 Tue, 29 Oct 2019 17:32:23 +0000 neddie 316707@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Unidirectional on both sides is good. But the lack of continuous footway/cycleway and lack of priority over what look like driveways (with excessively flared entrances) is extremely poor. CycleAlex on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-316695 Tue, 29 Oct 2019 15:22:35 +0000 CycleAlex 316695@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Screenshot for those who can't access the document: <a href="https://i.imgur.com/GEpCnqD.png" rel="nofollow">https://i.imgur.com/GEpCnqD.png</a> Overall it seems pretty good? As long as they don't give up and put give ways at every side road that is... Looks to be a segregated/shared use link to Ed.Park Station in the next phase too. jonty on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-316688 Tue, 29 Oct 2019 13:49:34 +0000 jonty 316688@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ The Planning Portal is awful for this sort of stuff and it's pretty disappointing that public documents are still stored in such an opaque way in 2019. HankChief on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-316674 Tue, 29 Oct 2019 12:10:58 +0000 HankChief 316674@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ That's the right document. Sorry it isn't accessible :-( jonty on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-316661 Tue, 29 Oct 2019 10:31:22 +0000 jonty 316661@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Thanks for all your work on this HankChief! jonty on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-316660 Tue, 29 Oct 2019 10:31:22 +0000 jonty 316660@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Link didn't work for me - looks like AGENT ADVICE+REPORT RE CONDITIONS 4+6 <a href="https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=OWOGR5EWGCP00">here</a> or search for application 17/04391/FUL if that also fails. HankChief on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-316653 Tue, 29 Oct 2019 08:59:15 +0000 HankChief 316653@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Just noticed the revised junction designs have been approved by CEC. (Page35 of link) I reckon they are better than we had before, with no double stage toucans at either end and crossing mid way along the boulevard so you can join on the correct side of the road. I'm going to meet with the developer later in the week so any comments please let me know & I'll see what I can do. <a href="https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/2CC8D158596A63998F078C108C25F858/pdf/17_04391_FUL-AGENT_ADVICE_REPORT_RE_CONDITIONS_4_6-4271195.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/files/2CC8D158596A63998F078C108C25F858/pdf/17_04391_FUL-AGENT_ADVICE_REPORT_RE_CONDITIONS_4_6-4271195.pdf</a> chrisfl on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-308907 Mon, 17 Jun 2019 12:20:09 +0000 chrisfl 308907@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Just noticed that they've submitted a PAN for the Southern Phase - <a href="http://www.planit.org.uk/planapplic/Edinburgh/19/02776/PAN/" rel="nofollow">http://www.planit.org.uk/planapplic/Edinburgh/19/02776/PAN/</a> - Nothing in the way of details, but there is a Consultation on 19th June (Wednesday) at the Edinburgh Park Novatel between 13:00 and 19:00 "Application for the development of the Southern Phase of Edinburgh Park to comprise a mix of uses including residential (Class 9 houses and sui generis flats), student accommodation and serviced apartments (sui generis), offices (Class 4), hotel (Class 7), crche (Class 10), leisure (Class 11), ancillary Class 1/ Class 2/ Class 3 and sui generis public house, car parking, landscaping, roads, access and associated works. The submission of this PAN follows an earlier consultation in respect of the site. This PAN reflects a new approach to the site to take forward a residential lead masterplan." Snowy on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-292367 Thu, 27 Sep 2018 22:53:04 +0000 Snowy 292367@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Ah righto, hadn't realised about the 2nd, southern, phase. I'm a big believer in living within an active travel distance of work but I'm not sure I'd want to live THAT close. I'm in two minds about the idea of opening up the barrier bit to traffic to/from Hermiston Gate junction. On the one hand it might make the junctions at Makro and Gyle roundabouts a bit less unpleasant for bikes by reliveing the pressure, but on the other hand it could as you say lead to rat running through EP to get to the M8. HankChief on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-292338 Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:28:28 +0000 HankChief 292338@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ It is the bit in Edinburgh Park. North of the Edinburgh Park Station. This 1st part they will build is this set of offices and gym / sports etc at the north part of their site. The southern part of the site is proposed to be housing, which they'll have to come back for approval for. The underpasses seem to be the responsibility of the Garden District, for whom we are still awaiting the Reporters recommendation. Murun Buchstansangur on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-292336 Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:18:04 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 292336@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ @Snowy This application (now passed) is entirely within the bypass and contains a significant degree of housing. I don't understand how they expect Lochside Avenue not to be rapidly full of ratrunning vehicles seeking to avoid the Gogar roundabout tailbacks if they remove the barriers. That's the reason they were installed in the first place, I recall (and indeed were a condition of planning permission for some previous phase of Edinburgh Park?) Snowy on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-292329 Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:30:22 +0000 Snowy 292329@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ The bit within the Bypass, in Edinburgh Park, does that actually include any housing? I didn't think it did. I had thought it was the 'East of Milburn Tower' scheme (could be wrong on the name) which was the residential bit, outside the bypass and east of Gogar Station Road. There are two relevant underpasses which the developers have the opportunity to make friendly for active travel - fingers crossed they don't water that down. neddie on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-292323 Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:46:31 +0000 neddie 292323@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ If I'm right in thinking this is inside the bypass, contrary to the EEN comments, it could actually reduce traffic in the Edinburgh Park area, by enabling people to live close to where they work. The key is to make it attractive to families (as Brent Toderian wisely reckons). That means medium-density, walkable, with local shops, parks & schools. gembo on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-292320 Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:21:57 +0000 gembo 292320@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Also in news Strontian have just built there own primary school rather than accept highland council one following failed consultation. Looks nice with the distressed wood well cuprinolled. The school can be converted into social housing if after the PPP secondary converts to public ownership and it is not falling down and the primary can fit into the secondary. An example to us all these Strontium dogs. Strontium the element is in strontianite that is found in the area and isolated by Humphry Davy in 1800s then in Starlord and 2000A.D. Comics where. First came across them in 1977 Stickman on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-292315 Thu, 27 Sep 2018 11:50:15 +0000 Stickman 292315@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Meanwhile in Aviemore, Gehl are working on a sustainable small community: <a href="http://www.ancamasmor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/ACM_masterplan_Vision_Methodology-1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ancamasmor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/ACM_masterplan_Vision_Methodology-1.pdf</a> [i]”Despite all the advances in technology, especially in transport and communications which have drastically changed the way we live, people still function as they have done for thousands of years. Our bodies look more or less the same as they did thousands of years ago, we are the same size and our senses work in the same way. We are designed to walk and our senses function correctly at walking speed. We walk at approximately 4 mph and at this speed our senses perform in a way which allows us to relate to our surroundings and to other people. We are also social creatures, and study of the behaviour of people demonstrates that people are naturally curious and attracted to places where there are other people; to watch other people, to meet other people, or just to feel part of a social situation. To make a really good environment for people we must respond to these senses and social needs. We can design environments that are coherent, well proportioned and dimensioned to people-scale, appropriate for walking, attractive and appealing to peoples’ senses. Generally we should think of small, slow and low places. Smaller spaces respond to the physical size of our bodies, lower spaces respond to our horizontal field of vision and slower places respond to our natural walking speed and ability to process sensory information at this speed. To enable and encourage social interaction, we need to make places safe and attractive, so that people want to spend time there and ensure that the environment is conducive to seeing, hearing and talking... The conventional way of planning by focusing primarily on traffic and buildings needs to be turned upside down, to make people and community users more prominent in the planning process. ” gembo on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-292314 Thu, 27 Sep 2018 11:47:46 +0000 gembo 292314@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Sheesh Or Oooft HankChief on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-292310 Thu, 27 Sep 2018 11:30:09 +0000 HankChief 292310@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ It was approved <a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/first-phase-of-500m-urban-quarter-on-edinburgh-outskirts-approved-by-council-1-4805690/" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/first-phase-of-500m-urban-quarter-on-edinburgh-outskirts-approved-by-council-1-4805690/</a> ejstubbs on "Is this a new kind of New town?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18194&page=3#post-291921 Sat, 22 Sep 2018 11:48:30 +0000 ejstubbs 291921@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ OK, ta. I'll maybe have a trawl through the documents on the planning portal.