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CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: License to Kill http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: License to Kill en Mon, 01 Jun 2026 06:08:28 +0000 Min on "License to Kill" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10016#post-108631 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:01:40 +0000 Min 108631@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Maybe (hopefully) things will have changed by then? Having posted this, I forgot to watch it. Smudge on "License to Kill" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10016#post-108625 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:25:04 +0000 Smudge 108625@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Watching this now, as depressing as I expected. The thought of my young lad going out on the road really scares the heck out of me :-( cc on "License to Kill" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10016#post-108558 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:35:53 +0000 cc 108558@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Once again a big part of the solution is to redesign the roads so that they guide road users into good behaviour and into safe situations. This is what's done in the N*th*rl*nds and it works. Better driver training would work wonders as well though I dare say. And a smarter economy in which people weren't under so much pressure to work work work and commute commute commute and drive drive drive just to exist. Snowy on "License to Kill" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10016#post-108550 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:55:30 +0000 Snowy 108550@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ From the IAM link "The relative few who collect 12 points in a fairly short period of time must be either ignorant or contemptuous of the rules of the road. They are getting away with it because the courts seem unwilling to play the disqualification cards they hold. There may even be a case for making serial point scorers re-sit the theory and practical driving test before their licence is reinstated." This logic seems to suggest that re-sitting the test is a worse punishment than being disqualified...! Personally I'd make a resit of the driving test compulsory for every three points gained on the licence. And not allowed to drive until it's done. neddie on "License to Kill" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10016#post-108549 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:55:11 +0000 neddie 108549@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Everyone makes mistakes when driving, every day. The point is you have to build in a lot of margin for error into your driving style, so that a mistake or misjudgement does not turn into a crash. You also have to hope that everyone else has included the same margin. I suspect many younger drivers allow less margin (as they feel fully in control) as well as their hazard awareness being lower. DaveC on "License to Kill" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10016#post-108547 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:36:58 +0000 DaveC 108547@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ WC posted ""One brief mistake nearly 10 years ago left Sophie Morgan in a wheelchair for the rest of her life."" I'd beg to differ on the beeb's ??? point. I would hazard a guess that some people make lots of mistakes but at some point they don't get away with harming anyone! fimm on "License to Kill" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10016#post-108542 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:18:49 +0000 fimm 108542@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ The guy who parked his Audi TT in the side of a house the other week was 22, IIRC. I dread to think what his insurance bill was like. Given that he was reported to have serious head injuries, it may be that he'll never drive anything again... I believe the biggest killer of teenage girls in this country is thier boyfriends. Not through violence, but in cars. (I'm sorry, this is a vaguely remembered statistic, I don't have a link and it may not be quite right). Wilmington's Cow on "License to Kill" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10016#post-108540 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:14:34 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 108540@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ She does seem to have learned, and is trying to raise the profile of something needing to be done, which is all good. Indicative of the BBC, though, is the very opening line: "One brief mistake nearly 10 years ago left Sophie Morgan in a wheelchair for the rest of her life." It's always couched in language that suggests it's just a 'momentary lapse' which makes it seem like 'just one of those things'. The fact that a mistake is 'brief' has nothing to do with it when you're in control of a car. They should also consider, like with motorbikes, having power limits depending on age/experience. Too many kids passing their tests and (especially those with wealthy mummy and daddy) getting some hot hatch or Scooby or whatever. There was a case down south a few years back I'm sure where a 17 year old caused a crash driving a Porsche 911 that his parents had bought him. SRD on "License to Kill" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10016#post-108538 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:11:21 +0000 SRD 108538@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ see also: "Over 8000 UK drivers are still driving despite having 12 or more points on their licence. The top fourteen licence point holders with 25 points or more are all men." <a href="http://www.iam.org.uk/media-and-research/media-centre/news-archive/20240-male-drivers-fail-to-see-the-point" rel="nofollow">http://www.iam.org.uk/media-and-research/media-centre/news-archive/20240-male-drivers-fail-to-see-the-point</a> chdot on "License to Kill" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10016#post-108537 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:08:21 +0000 chdot 108537@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "perhaps the driving age needs to be raised" From BBC link - " Road crashes are the biggest killer of 17 to 24-year-olds in the UK and one in five drivers has an accident within five months of passing his/her test. " Min on "License to Kill" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10016#post-108536 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 12:03:34 +0000 Min 108536@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/22257192" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/22257192</a> Documentary on BBC3 9pm tonight. They had the woman on the BBC this morning. I rather lost sympathy with her a bit when she started looking for other people to blame for her own actions, but clearly something does need to be done and if you can't trust people to do it themselves then it needs to be done for them. I can't help feeling that if young people are incapable of personal responsibility behind the wheel then perhaps the driving age needs to be raised. All the presenters could do was wibble on about how motorway driving should be in the test, ignoring the fact that most of these deaths do not occur on motorways. Typical BBC.