http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "This is what it means to cycle in Edinburgh" en Mon, 18 May 2026 23:00:37 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109488 Thu, 02 May 2013 23:05:31 +0000 Uberuce 109488@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Min-&gt;Dave: <em>Good photo, you do look mean!</p> <p>You should see me when I'm trying not to laugh.</em></p> <p>You should see the photo I have of him lurking under a bridge during a tree-trimming downpour... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109486 Thu, 02 May 2013 22:13:04 +0000 steveo 109486@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Like yo say a bored angry(ish) bus driver with a serious case of confirmation bias! But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.</p> <p>I must admit, I'm not sure I'd like my twitter name attached to any thing in EECW far to easy for some of the morons to take things too far. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109484 Thu, 02 May 2013 21:43:39 +0000 SRD 109484@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>lovely. think a troll just came after me on twitter because of mention in EEN article. anyone else? </p> <p>of course, i was stupid enough to rise to his bait too..</p> <p>[edit - i may have been wrong. think it is just a militant pedestrian new to twitter; edit, edited: says he drives for LB]. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109478 Thu, 02 May 2013 20:47:56 +0000 gembo 109478@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Speaking as a psychologist there is no doubt that in group out group definitions are real and research able concepts. I favour the work of Henri tajfel, now deceased and his protege Michael Billig. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109465 Thu, 02 May 2013 17:53:45 +0000 Dave 109465@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@baldcyclist: I'm not a sociologist or a psychologist, so I guess I don't feel particularly qualified to defend the field. </p> <p>At the risk of seeming facetious, 'cyclists' *is* the generic term that identifies people. You can see good examples of its use in an out-group context on the EEN right now :P </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109459 Thu, 02 May 2013 17:16:07 +0000 Snowy 109459@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was pleasantly surprised to hear such a rational viewpoint from the AA! Good article.</p> <p>On a more prosaic point "In 2009, long before Twitter" could do with some adjustment - Twitter launched in 2006 and had reached 10 million tweets per day by mid-2009. &lt;/geek mode off&gt; </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109457 Thu, 02 May 2013 17:01:22 +0000 Baldcyclist 109457@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hatred, and how that is manifested is nothing to do with the term 'group', or using generic terms to identify people. It maybe gives them a 'word' to associate with the thing they don't like, but that is all.</p> <p>I notice the article describes 'cyclists', as erm, 'cyclists' from start to finish? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109456 Thu, 02 May 2013 16:45:08 +0000 fimm 109456@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh, of course. I've come across that concept, should have realised. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109453 Thu, 02 May 2013 16:32:02 +0000 Dave 109453@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I assumed Baldcyclist's critique was blasting the influential ingroup/outgroup component of sociology / social psychology.</p> <p>See i.e. Ian Walker's comments halfway down <a href="http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/cyclist-hatred-is-almost-like-racial-discrimination-says-aa-prez/013935" rel="nofollow">http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/cyclist-hatred-is-almost-like-racial-discrimination-says-aa-prez/013935</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109448 Thu, 02 May 2013 16:09:33 +0000 fimm 109448@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Dave, you'll have to explain that one... :o) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109440 Thu, 02 May 2013 14:53:29 +0000 Dave 109440@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A whole discipline of academia crushed with one stroke of the keyboard :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109437 Thu, 02 May 2013 14:09:44 +0000 Baldcyclist 109437@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What's wrong with groups? People appear to *like* to be members of some groups, some 'cyclists' even like to class themselves as such.</p> <p>What about groups like gender, should everyone be grouped as people rather than 'men' or 'women' in-case it offends? Perhaps we should have genderless names just to ensure there is no stigma? What if being grouped as 'people' offends? </p> <p>What should we call things? &lt;/silly examples&gt;<br /> Sheesh, groups ARE fine. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109436 Thu, 02 May 2013 14:09:26 +0000 Dave 109436@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Good photo, you do look mean! </em></p> <p>You should see me when I'm trying not to laugh.</p> <p>As it happens my headcam was running much of the time, so I've got a lot of footage of someone photographing me... very random! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109430 Thu, 02 May 2013 13:27:10 +0000 amir 109430@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>For the record, I happily wear shoes of all colours (except pink). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109424 Thu, 02 May 2013 12:53:59 +0000 Min 109424@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good photo, you do look mean! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109421 Thu, 02 May 2013 12:44:41 +0000 chdot 109421@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> "cyclists" together any more than "people who wear brown shoes"</p> <p>"</p> <p>Neither seem to be covered here -</p> <p><a href="http://www.elrec.org.uk/types_of_discrimination.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.elrec.org.uk/types_of_discrimination.htm</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109420 Thu, 02 May 2013 11:58:34 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 109420@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think that's absolutely right. Just strange the way it creates this world where all you see is the bad - so glad I don't live with that kind of hate! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109419 Thu, 02 May 2013 11:47:10 +0000 Dave 109419@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@anth, with some people I think it's just the prejudice of our age, in exactly the same way as previous generations had it in for people from Asia, or Africa, or Jews, or whatever.</p> <p>Eventually these kind of comments will be a historical curiosity. It won't make to group "cyclists" together any more than "people who wear brown shoes". </p> <p>We're not there yet though.</p> <p>In the meantime, yeah - I record as much if not more interesting stuff when driving, via the quick release camera mount on the dash... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109416 Thu, 02 May 2013 11:23:58 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 109416@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I wonder if this has been hidden somewhere - only two comments?</p> <p>What the moron fails to realise is that people DO put dashcams on as well - and remarkably they record much worse behaviour from fellow motorists. You will, of course, be able to record bad cycling - those of us using cameras here have done so, and have posted that on YouTube as well, but I still really really don't get this notion that there's a lawless band of cyclists wreaking havoc around the city, killing and maiming people and putting citizens in fear of even leaving their front doors.</p> <p>What sort of a parallel universe do these people live in? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109415 Thu, 02 May 2013 11:20:56 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 109415@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>They are recordings made in a public place, effectively for private use and so long as the camera is switched off when in a building there is no Data Protection issue</em>"</p> <p>I wish people would research properly. Data Protection is around sensitive personal information - names, addresses, dates of birth and so on. I fail to see how wearing a camera in a building would breach Data Protection laws. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109414 Thu, 02 May 2013 11:19:56 +0000 steveo 109414@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Really must set up the moron comments bingo card. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109413 Thu, 02 May 2013 11:14:56 +0000 Bhachgen 109413@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wow. It took a full 10 minutes for the standard cliched comment to appear. The numpties are slacking... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036&page=2#post-109412 Thu, 02 May 2013 11:14:10 +0000 amir 109412@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good story! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036#post-109410 Thu, 02 May 2013 11:06:21 +0000 Dave 109410@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/cyclists-use-cameras-to-capture-dangerous-drivers-1-2916885" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/transport/cyclists-use-cameras-to-capture-dangerous-drivers-1-2916885</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036#post-109382 Thu, 02 May 2013 01:21:33 +0000 Dave 109382@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://mccraw.co.uk/video-protection-on-the-roads/" rel="nofollow">http://mccraw.co.uk/video-protection-on-the-roads/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036#post-109381 Wed, 01 May 2013 23:21:37 +0000 Dave 109381@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>No idea. I guess if they link to the video in any way then it will reach back from there.</p> <p>Spent a long (!) time being photographed near the office in various entertaining poses with my headcam, so I look forward to seeing what they come out with there - might have to ask for a copy for my CV!</p> <p>Interestingly this is just about the only video on my YouTube channel that wasn't taken from the car, illustrating one thing or another. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036#post-109354 Wed, 01 May 2013 16:20:31 +0000 DaveC 109354@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh hateness directed straight at you... Will they be linking to your website? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036#post-109353 Wed, 01 May 2013 15:53:36 +0000 Dave 109353@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I had a wee nibble from the EEN. Although I did prepare a soundbite I still rambled on a bit, so I'm not sure how it will be written up... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036#post-109308 Wed, 01 May 2013 10:21:59 +0000 minus six 109308@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't think that cutbacks are the reason for the prevalent policing attitude.</p> <p>I believe that the police force are a motor-centric institution with a fundamental recognition that an acceptable by-product of our high speed motoring culture is that many vulnerable road users, whether they be cyclists or pedestrians, will receive rough and tumble treatment in the aggressive arena of road use.</p> <p>Of course, they have to be seen to act in certain cases where grievous injury has occurred.</p> <p>But otherwise - that's just the way it is out there, i wouldn't let my sons or daughters cycle on those roads, shrug of the shoulders, no incident number, etc etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10036#post-109305 Wed, 01 May 2013 10:01:51 +0000 crowriver 109305@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Part of a general trend, I'm afraid. It's called cutbacks:</p> <p><em>'Community resolutions' used in 10,000 serious violence cases</p> <p>More than 10,000 serious violent crimes were dealt with informally last year, despite guidelines to the contrary. Police used "community resolutions", which can include an apology or compensation to the victim, instead of prosecutions and cautions. The Association of Chief Police Officers says resolutions should only be used for low-level crime.</em></p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22346971" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22346971</a> </p>