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CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Train maps/routes? http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Train maps/routes? en Wed, 13 May 2026 04:41:27 +0000 Bhachgen on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109411 Thu, 02 May 2013 11:08:10 +0000 Bhachgen 109411@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Yes they also seem to act as a local service from Lancashire into Mancashire 100% correct. I'm living in Chorley now so use these trains for their "proper" purpose of Intercity trains when I'm coming back up to Edinburgh or going to Machester Airport, and also for their "other" purpose of being the quicker commuter option to Preston, Bolton or Manchester. They are cr@p as intercity trains and personally I think it's a disgrace that First have even been allowed to use them for what should be an intercity franchise (or is that an out of date BR phrase?!). They're also not great as commuter trains, mostly due to there not being enough carriages for the number of people using the service. Still much better than the Northern Rail alternative, which is still running Sprinters, and occasionally even Pacers if you get really unlucky. Northern also take longer of course, due to stopping at all the intermediate stations. Scotrail is a kind of nirvana compared to trains down here, though at least there are loads of lines and stations I suppose so it's not all bad... kaputnik on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109323 Wed, 01 May 2013 11:09:14 +0000 kaputnik 109323@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Yes they also seem to act as a local service from Lancashire into Mancashire. You get the same (briefly) on the ECML if you are on a train that does the stops around the northeast - Morpeth, Alnwick, Durham etc. Arellcat on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109320 Wed, 01 May 2013 11:01:15 +0000 Arellcat 109320@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Those TPE trains have a big lack of passenger space too! When I have meetings in Manchester I'm invariably shoehorned onto the TPE train homewards, and having a seat booked in advance is completely pointless until you get north of Carlisle. kaputnik on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109318 Wed, 01 May 2013 10:57:21 +0000 kaputnik 109318@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Those TPE trains are the worst. Cheap, plasticy interiors, ride quality like a Firstbus and big lack of luggage space for a train meant to be an airport / intercity service. riffian on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109315 Wed, 01 May 2013 10:36:30 +0000 riffian 109315@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ I caught the Transpennine express to Lockerbie from Edinburgh on a Saturday morning last summer. About an hour direct, as mentioned via Haymarket, Carstairs etc. No other bikes in sight. Lovely cycle back to Edinburgh - quiet roads via Eskdalemuir, Gordon Arms, Innerleithen. Highly recommended. PS on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109312 Wed, 01 May 2013 10:29:28 +0000 PS 109312@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Apologies for duff info - the only Virgin Trains that stop at Lockerbie go to/from Glasgow. As for the TPE trains to Manc Airport, we've booked bikes on them a couple of times and they've been *okay* (in as far as not being wilfully obstructive), but the bike space doubles as fold down seats, so on one occasion I did have to have a "discussion" with a lady who seemed to think that, although we had reserved the bike space, she and her family should take priority because the train was quite busy and if they moved they would have to sit in two groups. She must have been having a bad day. Thankfully her husband was a bit more considerate and persuaded her to shift. druidh on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109311 Wed, 01 May 2013 10:25:08 +0000 druidh 109311@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ * is the correct answer * :-) Unless you are heading for West Edinburgh, don't discount the extension of the B709 north of Innerleithen either. DaveC on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109303 Wed, 01 May 2013 09:57:41 +0000 DaveC 109303@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Yes others (elsewhere) have pointed out how boring the B7076 is. I have considered instead riding up the B723 to Samye Ling and then north to the B709 and then north towards Innerleithen and then along the B7062 to Peebles and north on the A703. druidh on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109296 Wed, 01 May 2013 09:33:02 +0000 druidh 109296@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Last time I looked into this the Lockerbie train terminated at the Manchester Airport and, as such, the operator wouldn't guarantee bike spaces - EVEN IF PRE-BOOKED - as other passengers might have lots of luggage. We ended up getting the train to Carlisle and returning up the A7 to Langholm then over via Eskdalemuir and Innerleithen. The A7 wasn't very busy. A great ride. Remember to stop at the Monastery for food! LivM on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109264 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:32:59 +0000 LivM 109264@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ To any discussion about train maps, I have to throw in this one, just because I like speeding up real time... <a href="http://traintimes.org.uk/map/#edb">Live Train mapping</a> cb on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109258 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 15:38:35 +0000 cb 109258@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ "This one is good" That is a really ugly GB outline map. I think I prefer this one (for Scotland at any rate). Is this not the one (or based on the one) that is displayed on the trains? I like the mirroring of the triangular Mull and Skye. <a href="http://www.projectmapping.co.uk/Reviews/Resources/Scotrail%20network%20FSR2008.jpg">http://www.projectmapping.co.uk/Reviews/Resources/Scotrail%20network%20FSR2008.jpg</a> DaveC on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109249 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:52:33 +0000 DaveC 109249@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ The tip about bike spaces on Scotrail is handy!! Cheers. chdot on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109246 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:44:41 +0000 chdot 109246@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ This one is good - <a href="http://www.projectmapping.co.uk/Resources/TOCs%20AS%20v6.5%20May%202013.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.projectmapping.co.uk/Resources/TOCs%20AS%20v6.5%20May%202013.pdf</a> Seems to have ALL stations. This is missing some tram stops! <a href="http://www.projectmapping.co.uk/Resources/TOCs%20AS%20v5.4d%202018.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.projectmapping.co.uk/Resources/TOCs%20AS%20v5.4d%202018.pdf</a> DaveC on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109245 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:42:35 +0000 DaveC 109245@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Cheers, My collegue was thinking about 120km as thats what he did last Friday when I left him at Perth to ride home ;o) We're leaving Edinburgh Waverly after work Friday early afternoon. I'll mention Carlisle :D but I think he may boak at that! Arellcat on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109243 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:35:29 +0000 Arellcat 109243@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Maps? You can't handle the maps! :-) <a href="http://www.projectmapping.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.projectmapping.co.uk/</a> (I use these a lot) PS on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109242 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:31:20 +0000 PS 109242@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Failing that, for a slightly longer option, Carlisle is served a bit more often. For a relatively direct route home you'd probably have to navigate the A7 up to Langholm, which is wide but can be a tad hairy on the straights, but once there you can turn west and come up through Eskdalemuir. Arellcat on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109241 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:30:21 +0000 Arellcat 109241@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Are you coming across the bridge? Lockerbie is on the WCML before Carlisle, so normally you'd be on a train out of Haymarket via Carstairs. First Transpennine does the route to Manchester Airport, stopping at Lockerbie. Real Time Trains for Friday 3rd will show you all of the trains that stop at Lockerbie (in either direction). <a href="http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced?location=loc&date=3%2F5%2F2013&tocs=All&timespan=4&show_schedules=13&schedule_type=0&show_wtt=1&show_var=1&show_stp=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced?location=loc&date=3%2F5%2F2013&tocs=All&timespan=4&show_schedules=13&schedule_type=0&show_wtt=1&show_var=1&show_stp=1</a> Wilmington's Cow on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109240 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:30:12 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 109240@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ p.s. TheTrainline doesn't appear to let you book bike spaces online, but Scotrail does (just booked a couple of train journeys for Monday - as you know, given you commented on FB! ;) ) Wilmington's Cow on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109239 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:29:23 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 109239@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ It should at least show on TheTrainline if there are any changes, which would tell you if it's direct... As for maps, no idea I'm afraid. PS on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109238 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:28:31 +0000 PS 109238@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ You can definitely go direct on some (though not all) Virgin West Coast services. The Virgin Trains website should have a timetable. DaveC on "Train maps/routes?" http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10067#post-109237 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:24:21 +0000 DaveC 109237@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ Looking at a cycle to Lockerbie on Friday and the train back, perhaps the opposite way round depending on which way the wind blows. I see its an hour on the train but The TrainLine does not show the route. Does this go via Glasgow or is it direct? Is there anywhere online which shows the routes, or at least stations on route? Cheers, Dave C