http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Waverley to get “cycle hub”? en Mon, 18 May 2026 20:14:17 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224&page=2#post-146390 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 19:46:46 +0000 crowriver 146390@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://edinburgh.stv.tv/articles/269126-waverley-station-market-due-to-open-in-may-2014-on-platform-2/?fromstreampost=89383">STV article</a> provides more detail on the exact location of this new 'market piazza', and a plan. </p> <p>Good grief, I'll have to walk past this every week! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224&page=2#post-146389 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 19:44:17 +0000 PS 146389@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think it might actually be too warm in the summer, if that roof is as greenhouse-y as it looks. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224&page=2#post-146382 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:46:01 +0000 Claggy Cog 146382@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Call me old fashioned but I liked the old booking hall with it's wooden ticket booths, not everything is an improvement. There is nothing left of the old grandeur of the building, it feels like cheap tat.</p> <p>PS @ I hear what you're saying re fumes. It would still be parky sitting out with your lattes. I like a warm place to sit whilst waiting for a train, if I have to. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224&page=2#post-146379 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:12:09 +0000 PS 146379@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The diesel fumes tend to be concentrated at the western platforms, where the Glasgow and Fife trains sit with their engines running. The eastern end of the station feels much airier and more open, given the lack of an equivalent of Waverley Bridge. </p> <p>Of course, once EGIP electrifies the Edinburgh-Glsgow line things will be mightily improved. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224&page=2#post-146377 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 18:03:37 +0000 Claggy Cog 146377@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I won't be using it, standing on a platform is bad enough, cough, cough, cough, with the diesel engines of trains, taxis and cars, all left running...</p> <p>They would have to put in some serious ventilation before this could happen. </p> <p>...and I thought the current bike parking was safe!! Supposedly. Every time I have gone to collect my bike later at night one or more staff have appeared, perhaps because I am taking overly long to get it together and move. There is always, it seems to me, the jobsworth who tells you to get off your bike when trying to get from the parking to the exit. Great of the bike parking being moved as far away as possible from the entrance not so long ago. Looks like this new "piazza" is going to be where the current bike parking is, how nice of them to think about us. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224&page=2#post-146351 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 16:30:51 +0000 Focus 146351@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtn1a-7TnOE">The Farmers Market</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224&page=2#post-146329 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 14:01:27 +0000 crowriver 146329@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>And one reason why Network Rail was asked if Calton Road was the best place for a hub.</p> <p>But obviously they know best.</em></p> <p>Of course. Out of the way, out of sight, out of mind. That's where cycling belongs!</p> <p><em>If</em> the council improve the on-road links it could work, especially for those coming from the east and north. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224&page=2#post-146313 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:06:42 +0000 chdot 146313@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I wonder if the Council will do a bit of joined-up, holistic planning and take the opportunity to improve the cycling provision in the surrounding streets?"</p> <p>That is indeed the question!</p> <p>And one reason why Network Rail was asked if Calton Road was the best place for a hub. </p> <p>But obviously they know best. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224&page=2#post-146311 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:56:41 +0000 PS 146311@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>A “cycle hub” will be established beside the Calton Road exit, including secure cycle parking and lockers.</em></p> <p>I wonder if the Council will do a bit of joined-up, holistic planning and take the opportunity to improve the cycling provision in the surrounding streets? </p> <p>The cycling options from the Calton Road exit are pretty rotten at the moment:<br /> - Leith Street: exit onto a dual carriageway heading west only, otherwise it's get off and push time ("Welcome to Edinburgh");<br /> - Calton Hill: Perhaps a little too steep and cobble-y for cyclists who haven't had a chance to warm up yet;<br /> - Calton Road: Some fairly rough cobbles on which impatient drivers tend to zoom past cyclists; and<br /> - New Street: a steep old hill, fairly wide but it's not unusual to be close-passed by drivers overtaking into the face of oncoming traffic. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224&page=2#post-146305 Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:21:35 +0000 cb 146305@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/waverley-market-returns-to-its-roots-1-3351127">http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/waverley-market-returns-to-its-roots-1-3351127</a></p> <p>Market stall plan for Waverley Station.</p> <p>A brief mention of the proposed cycle hub in the 2nd last paragraph. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224&page=2#post-111357 Tue, 21 May 2013 15:17:07 +0000 Min 111357@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Steveo <em>There are other types? </em></p> <p>Haha, good point! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224&page=2#post-111356 Tue, 21 May 2013 15:16:06 +0000 crowriver 111356@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I like these images of the old Waverley (thanks chdot for the link). Note the newspaper kiosk on the eastern concourse. The colour photo of the old ticket booth (now Costa coffee) is 1969. The others are undated but I presume 1960s judging by the modern BR typeface? The phrase 'faded grandeur' spring to mind...</p> <p><img src="http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/images/l/466298/"></p> <p><img src="http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/images/l/361753/"></p> <p><img src="http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/images/l/466299/"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224&page=2#post-111322 Tue, 21 May 2013 10:22:58 +0000 kaputnik 111322@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>True, but there is still a fair amount of height/volume under the glass but with The Mound/Gallery at one end reducing natural airflow(?)<br /> </em></p> <p>Seeing as trainsheds are generally enclosed at either end anyway to a height not much above the level of train roofs, I'd imagine that the low-hanging ridge/furrow style of Waverley is an issue (compare to the barrel vault of many other large stations) in a station already sitting in a natural collection trough for pollution. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224&page=2#post-111320 Tue, 21 May 2013 10:18:34 +0000 chdot 111320@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I'm struggling to think of a comparable sized mainline station"</p> <p>True, but there is still a fair amount of height/volume under the glass but with The Mound/Gallery at one end reducing natural airflow(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224&page=2#post-111319 Tue, 21 May 2013 10:11:46 +0000 kaputnik 111319@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Really??</em></p> <p>Apart from the modern abominations of Euston and Birmingham New Street, I'm struggling to think of a comparable sized mainline station (certainly that I've been through) with the low-hanging roof like Waverley. Glasgow Queen Street and Central are palatial in comparison.</p> <p>EDIT - On further research, the height of the roof is limited by an act of parliament to a maimum of 12.8m above rail level. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224#post-111318 Tue, 21 May 2013 10:05:57 +0000 steveo 111318@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>blasting a flamethrower at zombie taxi drivers. </em></p> <p>There are other types? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224#post-111317 Tue, 21 May 2013 10:05:47 +0000 chdot 111317@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Waverley is of course infamous for having an overly low roof"</p> <p>Really??</p> <p>Thought main problem was that it was in a valley with not enough airflow. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224#post-111315 Tue, 21 May 2013 10:02:27 +0000 kaputnik 111315@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The general smog of car fumes and diesel engine fumes </em></p> <p>Waverley is of course infamous for having an overly low roof and was one of the smokiest and filthiest mainline stations in the days of steam.</p> <p>I presume things have greatly improved since most of BRs 1st and 2nd generation diesels have now gone to the cutters torch - in old photos they permanently seem to be either emitting vast clouds of blue smoke, or on fire. Or both. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224#post-111311 Tue, 21 May 2013 09:42:59 +0000 Min 111311@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The rest of the station appeared to be a combination of a road and immense car park. </em></p> <p>I think it looks kind of cool in an urban wasteland, glad-I am-not-there-trying-to-breathe type way. It could easily be used for a post apocalyptic film. I can just see Bruce Willis running down there blasting a flamethrower at zombie taxi drivers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224#post-111310 Tue, 21 May 2013 09:33:24 +0000 AKen 111310@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I wonder when BR did away with platform tickets? As a kid in the 70s, I remember having to buy those when seeing folk off at the train. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224#post-111309 Tue, 21 May 2013 09:33:23 +0000 PS 111309@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I do remember the expanse of road in the station when I first came up here in the early 90's. The general smog of car fumes and diesel engine fumes must have been one hell of a working environment...</p> <p>Network Rail seems to be doing a good job on the refurb. The new roof has made a huge difference in letting the light in. </p> <p>Opening up the space on the north side of the booking hall would help make the station more station-y by making some of the East Coast trains more visible, but removing the shops would cost NR lease income. I wonder if they are just taking about the wee stalls (bagel and donut) that are up against the west wall of the booking hall? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224#post-111304 Tue, 21 May 2013 09:00:44 +0000 fimm 111304@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It does look very empty and sterile and not very nice in those old photos. I should try and remember to ask my mother what it was like in the late 1960s when I think she used to commute through Waverley. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224#post-111298 Tue, 21 May 2013 07:43:57 +0000 Dougie 111298@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Taxis in the foreground first registered 1975 (p) and 1976 (r) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224#post-111297 Tue, 21 May 2013 07:17:47 +0000 wee folding bike 111297@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Vauxhall Chevette and a Viva HC. Must have been a while ago. There aren't many of those left. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224#post-111293 Mon, 20 May 2013 22:32:33 +0000 kaputnik 111293@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/35274650@N05/6269605618/"><img src="http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6044/6269605618_6c905ea803.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/35274650@N05/6269605618/">Reflected Light on Canopy</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/35274650@N05/">b16dyr</a>, on Flickr</p> <p>John Menzies approximately where the baguette place is now, with the BR Buffet behind where Boots is?</p> <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/35274650@N05/6269080213/"><img src="http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6239/6269080213_196b8c280e.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/35274650@N05/6269080213/">Brake trails</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/35274650@N05/">b16dyr</a>, on Flickr</p> <p>The rest of the station appeared to be a combination of a road and immense car park. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224#post-111274 Mon, 20 May 2013 20:06:30 +0000 Focus 111274@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ <strong>Arellcat</strong></p> <p>The opposite location from where I thought then. I was pretty certain it was down one side or the other! That might make more sense though, as I think the ticket office as by and large been in the same general location for many years, just being updated and expanded.</p> <p>In fact, looking at the photo at maximum magnification, I think the sign in the distance says "Lost (or Left) Luggage", so unless that's been relocated you're more than likely correct :-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224#post-111264 Mon, 20 May 2013 18:28:59 +0000 gembo 111264@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nostalgia, getting the better of me but I think that the old pictures look better, also prefer a pub that has an entrance onto a road rather than an internal affair such as the one now and the equally bad one in queen street. There is a fabulous pub in the station at Porthmadog, lleyn peninsula, north Wales. Also pub at st pAncras nice but tht station has mighty air conditioning </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224#post-111257 Mon, 20 May 2013 17:10:12 +0000 steveo 111257@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I think the Talisman was where M&amp;S now is</em></p> <p>Now that is gentrification! ;)</p> <p>Cheers guys, I can't remember having ever been to Waverley until I started uni and meeting folk off the train etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224#post-111251 Mon, 20 May 2013 16:20:09 +0000 Arellcat 111251@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think the Talisman was where M&amp;S now is, opposite the lost luggage office and on the main drag towards the Calton entrance. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10224#post-111249 Mon, 20 May 2013 16:18:16 +0000 Focus 111249@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strong>@ steveo</strong></p> <p>"Where was that bar? "</p> <p>I <em>think</em> that was alongside platform 7, the right-hand side of the current ticket office, but I could be wrong - I was way too young to be going in there at the time!</p> <p>And yes, it was entry via the north ramp and exit via the south for cars, driving in front of the ticket office. </p>