http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Future road pricing 'inevitable' - RAC Foundation" en Fri, 19 Jun 2026 07:27:36 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1023#post-380499 Fri, 08 Aug 2025 16:58:01 +0000 Yodhrin 380499@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@neddie Other Places seem to have gotten all the politicians that are *actual* realists, rather than "realists"(ie, people who insist the status quo is some kind of irreducible, unchallengeable cosmic force that can merely be endured, never altered).</p> <p>Just imagining a world in which road user pricing and Japan's "want to buy a car? prove you have a garage for it or bog off" policy for urban areas were everywhere. Probably wouldn't even need much cycling infrastructure there would be so few big motors stonking about the place. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1023#post-380493 Thu, 07 Aug 2025 23:54:42 +0000 LaidBack 380493@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@neddie - yes this will be the only way to counter the 'Jevon's Paradox' of too much cheap electric motoring with vehicles that are too large.<br /> Online comments on the report cited on the cargo bike thread suggest that the freedom to use an EV more often than a regular car has no downsides and everyone will benefit. But of course road surfaces have a finite life and a vehicle of twice the weight should pay more for it. Comparing the increased 'convenience' of an EV to using an e-bike more is one of the weirder attempts to dilute the debate on private versus public transport that I've heard.<br /> The fact is that over consumption is a threat to our health and the planet's.<br /> Next generation topics revolve around the NHS in England prescribing weight loss drugs for people. It's time downsized vehicles were encouraged along with eating less and walking and cycling more. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1023#post-380491 Thu, 07 Aug 2025 13:51:47 +0000 neddie 380491@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Seems like a good idea from New Zealand*:</p> <p><blockquote>Transport Minister Chris Bishop has announced that all vehicles - whether they’re petrol, diesel, electric or hybrid - will eventually be paying for roads based on distance and weight through electronic road user charges</blockquote></p> <p><a href="https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/134563/all-drivers-will-pay-nz%E2%80%99s-roading-network-through-electronic-road-user-charges" rel="nofollow">https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/134563/all-drivers-will-pay-nz%E2%80%99s-roading-network-through-electronic-road-user-charges</a></p> <p><blockquote>this revenue goes towards the National Land Transport Fund which funds the building of new roads and maintains the country’s current ones</blockquote></p> <p>This doesn't seem so good, perhaps divert most of the fund to public transport and active travel instead...</p> <p>*A heavily car-dependent nation </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1023#post-375769 Mon, 08 Jul 2024 20:56:17 +0000 mcairney 375769@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On a similar note I got a bit of a shock after taking a test drive of the new Octavia while my car was in being serviced. The salesman knew I wasn't planning on trading in as my current car is only 2 years old but we decided to indulge each other and he obliged and crunched the numbers. The monthly costs came out at almost £500/month for a car with the same engine/trim level etc that I'm currently paying less than £300/month for! Almost £36K for a fairly nice, if ordinary Skoda.<br /> Absolute madness and possibly a sign that the days of PCP-financed white Range Rovers on every driveway are going to be a thing of the past sooner rather than later... DELAID reaction maybe? :-)</p> <p>In the meantime I'll be sticking with the mid-life crisis Leon FR for my 4000 miles a year... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1023#post-375763 Mon, 08 Jul 2024 15:48:43 +0000 neddie 375763@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"DELAIDs", the new name for SUVs:</p> <p>DEpreciating Liability And Instrument of Debt </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1023#post-375762 Mon, 08 Jul 2024 15:44:19 +0000 neddie 375762@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I just don't get that British people think it's fine to have to pay for a loaf of bread, which prices some people out of the market, but roads should be free at the point of use?</p> <p>Or put another way, why wouldn't you pay a modest fee to have uncongested roads, after already blowing £30k+ on a depreciating liability and instrument of debt?</p> <p>Money determines who <em>really </em>needs a limited resource. (I don't make the rules, that's just the way it is, sorry) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1023#post-375761 Mon, 08 Jul 2024 15:27:18 +0000 chdot 375761@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>“They worked out that the drop in driving costs would lead Brits to drive an extra 50 billion miles a year. The obvious answer is to find another tax so electric motorists keep paying their share. But electric vehicles don’t use special electricity that you can tax. And a purchase or a registration tax won’t restrain gridlock. So you need some kind of per-mile cost. And that leads you back to road pricing.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2024/07/08/new-uk-government-forces-senior-civil-servant-to-delete-road-pricing-tweet/" rel="nofollow">https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2024/07/08/new-uk-government-forces-senior-civil-servant-to-delete-road-pricing-tweet/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1023#post-375066 Tue, 21 May 2024 12:42:42 +0000 chdot 375066@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Note date thread started…</p> <p>(My bold)</p> <p>“</p> <p>It said that, in order to stop debt rising, the Treasury may need to consider a range of <strong>potentially unpopular revenue-raising measures</strong> including widening the scope of VAT, <strong>road pricing</strong>, scrapping the triple lock on the state pension and wider user charges for public services. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/21/imf-tells-uk-cut-taxes-jeremy-hunt" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/business/article/2024/may/21/imf-tells-uk-cut-taxes-jeremy-hunt</a></p> <p>BUT</p> <p>‘War on motorists’</p> <p>BUT</p> <p>‘Lab may be running UK soon’</p> <p>AND???????? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1023#post-9427 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:39:12 +0000 spytfyre 9427@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>pretty soon there will be nobody on the roads except buses and bikes (trams will <strong>never </strong>make it, I'm predicting this now) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1023#post-9413 Mon, 05 Jul 2010 09:05:05 +0000 chdot 9413@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10504764.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10504764.stm</a> </p>