http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "drowning under the weight of motoring costs" en Mon, 01 Jun 2026 01:29:54 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-182377 Wed, 04 Mar 2015 11:13:29 +0000 kaputnik 182377@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-31712673" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-31712673</a><br /> <strong>Small Data: Petrol prices are rising again</strong></p> <p>Get ready to start drowing again...</p> <p>(It seems that despite all the media hype, it has been discovered that cars are running on refined petrol and not Brent crude). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-176079 Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:08:33 +0000 crowriver 176079@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Will we finally stop hearing the constant wailing about the "war on the motorist" now?</p> <p>Don't hold your breath... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-176057 Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:51:17 +0000 kaputnik 176057@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What a difference a year makes.</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30507970" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30507970</a></p> <p><em>Low oil price to push petrol below £1 a litre, says RAC</em></p> <p>That'll be the ever-escalating cost of motoring in action then. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113859 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:16:01 +0000 allebong 113859@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The only reason we've all not been secretly rendered to a CIA blacksite is because we have the 'rubbish cycling' thread. This provides balance to the forum and proves that we're not 100% eco-communists. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113858 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:16:01 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 113858@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>*goes off to find whistle to gie it a guid blaw* </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113857 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:15:50 +0000 minus six 113857@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I'm contractually obliged to take offence at the 'sketchy research' remark.</em></p> <p>...and yet strangely quiet on the tragic royal slaying by a certain group of like-minded road users.</p> <p>this place is a nest of vipers ! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113855 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:12:10 +0000 kaputnik 113855@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>MI5 and MI6 learn everything they need to know about CCE a.k.a the Edinburgh and Central Scotland Revolutionary Cyclists's Archo-syndicalists Popular Muesli Knitter's Front from the daily digest the NSA sends them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113854 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:10:30 +0000 Instography 113854@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm contractually obliged to take offence at the 'sketchy research' remark. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113853 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:10:28 +0000 wee folding bike 113853@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>romanian or bulgarian, surely.</em></p> <p>No, he's Greek and a member of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113851 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:59:03 +0000 steveo 113851@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>unless... you're one of them... </em></p> <p>I can neither confirm nor deny my involvement with any plots instigated by MI5 or MI6 nor can I discuss my direct report to a well known older gentleman with slightly outspoken opinions (he is certainly not a bunny hugger) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113850 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:55:28 +0000 minus six 113850@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>people who also use the same mode of transport</em></p> <p>don't beat around the bush, steveo !</p> <p>if you're referring to <em>them that killed the queen of hearts</em>, then just say so !</p> <p>unless... you're one of <em>them</em>... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113848 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:46:56 +0000 steveo 113848@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Invoking the plurality of the people will always preclude any further discussion on group dynamics.</em></p> <p>Indeed, it is a well documented fact that individuals can be identified entirely by a small sample of people who also use the same mode of transport. </p> <p>Equally groups of users of similar-transport-modes can be neatly arranged in to boxes and will all have identical views and behaviour patterns... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113846 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:33:13 +0000 minus six 113846@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>out of date stereotypes, WC.</p> <p>romanian or bulgarian, surely. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113844 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:29:22 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 113844@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Goodness me no, it was Polish illegal immigrant asylum seeking single mothers on benefits stealing British jobs. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113842 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:23:26 +0000 wee folding bike 113842@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Yet you cannot deny it was motorists who killed Diana !</em></p> <p>I heard it was Phillip. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113837 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:17:11 +0000 minus six 113837@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Turns out drivers, like cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders are people too and frankly the same could be said for any large enough sub-section of the British public</em></p> <p>Invoking the plurality of the people will always preclude any further discussion on group dynamics.</p> <p>Yet you cannot deny it was motorists who killed Diana !</p> <p>And 85% of CCE forumites are scared of revolutionary zeal !! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113832 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:02:21 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 113832@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>... utterly lawless...</em>"</p> <p>Bad, certainly, but I'm pretty sure I saw the grand majority this morning driving on the road and not the pavement, stopping at lights, indicating at traffic lights, actually driving at or under the speed limit, not using their mobile phones, and generally acting within the law.</p> <p>I presume you don't like it when someone says that 'all' cyclists run red lights? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113830 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:31:35 +0000 steveo 113830@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Yet more confirmation, as if it were needed, that Motorists are the most pampered group in British society - utterly lawless and yet capable of feeling both entitled and embattled.</em></p> <p>Steady there, Turns out drivers, like cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders are people too and frankly the same could be said for any large enough sub-section of the British public. </p> <p>Baseless generalisations drawn from sketchy research is what <em>we</em> all rally against when its quoted from the Daily hate or the chipwrapper. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113828 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:23:46 +0000 Calum 113828@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"The RAC survey also revealed 92% consider themselves to be law-abiding motorists - but 65% admit to breaking the 70mph limit on motorways"</p> <p>Yet more confirmation, as if it were needed, that Motorists are the most pampered group in British society - utterly lawless and yet capable of feeling both entitled and embattled.</p> <p>If the cost of motoring is perceived to be too high, then average speed cameras should be installed along the entire strategic road network. The reckless criminals can then milked dry and the proceeds passed on to law-abiding people - not to mention, many people who would otherwise have died would now live.</p> <p>Not that the BBC will ever think to mention "lawless speeding" as a potential cause of the next "motorway pile-up". No, it will be attributed to "ice", or "losing control", or "a dangerous road", or just a plain old "accident". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113814 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:25:54 +0000 Baldcyclist 113814@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Less starting and stopping with heavy braking and accelerating forces plus fewer bits of road dug up for utilities etc?</em></p> <p>Yup, all of those reasons, and some more on top probably.</p> <p>So if more money is spent on repairing pot holes, it is likely at least (not assured of course) that cyclists *will *benefit from the repairs too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113804 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:08:47 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 113804@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Those types of roads for some reason tend not to be as badly affected as minor, or city roads for pot holes.</em>"</p> <p>Less starting and stopping with heavy braking and accelerating forces plus fewer bits of road dug up for utilities etc?</p> <p>That said, the M8 can be shocking in bits, as can the A90. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113794 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:42:38 +0000 Baldcyclist 113794@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Depends if you want to cycle on Motorways and roads like the A9?</em></p> <p>Those types of roads for some reason tend not to be as badly affected as minor, or city roads for pot holes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113781 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:03:04 +0000 kaputnik 113781@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Depends if you want to cycle on Motorways and roads like the A9?</p> <p>Filling potholes is good and proper, but I get the opinion from that article that the argument is more about reducing the "cost" of motoring rather than improving quality of the roads ("drowning under the costs of motoring"). And I really don't think that reducing its cost will do much to improve cycling. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113779 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:56:04 +0000 Blueth 113779@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If "motoring money" is used to fill potholes won't it also mean that cyclists get the benefit, no matter on what basis the charge is levied? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113742 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:57:39 +0000 kaputnik 113742@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The RAC said some tax from drivers should be "ring-fenced for roads" to stop them becoming "one big pothole".</em></p> <p>What, is this the RAC suggesting that roads aren't funded by the mythical "why don't you pay some" road tax?</p> <p><em>Professor Stephen Glaister, director of the RAC Foundation, warned that... ..."The government's recent freeze on fuel duty, while welcome, is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic - ultimately futile."</em></p> <p>Much like your arguments, Professor.</p> <p>The Professor seems to think that more of the "motoring taxes" should be spent on subsidising driving. I assume from this he means fuel duty. What he doesn't seem to accept that these taxes are on the polluting and enfironmentally deleterious side-effects of motoring, not to pay for filling pot holes. He might as well be suggesting that we invest the proceeds of tobacco taxation in discount cigarettes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10413#post-113720 Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:01:33 +0000 chdot 113720@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22842299" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22842299</a> </p>