http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Former Big W Brunstane - planning application en Mon, 18 May 2026 12:25:44 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-143139 Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:16:21 +0000 wingpig 143139@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You'll be telling us they've swept up the several years' worth of broken glass next. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-143137 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:02:57 +0000 kaputnik 143137@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In even more shocking news, the ineffective, obstruction-causing anti-ned-motorbike boulders have all been lifted from the path </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-136945 Fri, 13 Dec 2013 19:09:18 +0000 kaputnik 136945@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In shocking news, I passed this way earlier and the kerbs across the car park are being dropped! That just leaves the steps on the station bridge and the 3 big boulders to contend with and then it might finally start to look like a cycle path. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-127339 Mon, 07 Oct 2013 14:12:10 +0000 Cyclingmollie 127339@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They have a<a href="http://www.therange.co.uk/diy_workwear_hi_visibility/dept/fcp-category/list?resetFilters=true"> range of cycling tops</a> :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-127303 Mon, 07 Oct 2013 11:24:05 +0000 kaputnik 127303@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This site has now been occupied by a business similar to Big W called (I think) "Range at Home".</p> <p>The premises have been tarted up, the broken glass swept out the car park, but apart from that there is no change to the paths, there's still undropped kerbs across the car park, and the boulders are still across the path where it turns out of the underpass. </p> <p>Came through there yesterday afternoon. One cyclist coming other way nearly dismounted himself as leftside pannier clipped a boulder.</p> <p>Path very busy with people who have walked into the shop as it also doubles as the only pedestrian access to the site. Many having conversations across whole path and less than willing to have to move to let cyclsits through.</p> <p>I was amazed to see the entire car park stowed out, without a space to be had, and a queue of people waiting to get in. I assume it's just curiousity about the new shop, not that there's a massive demand for cheap homewares.</p> <p>Anyway, I predict the path round here is going to be far busier with pedestrians than it's ever been in the last 2 or 3 years since Big W closed, so do take care. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-11011 Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:45:13 +0000 Cyclingmollie 11011@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Kim, if it makes you feel any better East Lothian Council wouldn't allow a Farmers' Market in Musselburgh because of the concerns of local traders but have allowed planning permission for the biggest Tesco store in Britain. Makes CEC look competent. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-10992 Thu, 05 Aug 2010 19:14:10 +0000 Kim 10992@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If only CEC planning department was <a href="http://www.bikebiz.com/news/32644/Sainsburys-donates-funds-for-Carlisle-Cycleway">more like Carlisle's</a>, instead of which they are spineless wimps. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9875 Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:34:27 +0000 chdot 9875@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Residents near the Big W at Milton Link are reminded that they have until next week to make comments or objections to the change in use application being put to the council. Portobello/Craigmillar councillor Maureen Child said:</p> <p>"A significant number of people have told me they were unhappy that they weren't able to take part in the pre-planning stage of this application, nor were they notified as neighbours so as local councillor I am simply letting you all know ....without prejudice to my position on the Planning Committee..... the application for the removal of the restriction 'no food retail' on the Big W, Milton Link site is now lodged and the closing dates for comments/objections will be Friday 23 July. To see further information about the application, such as the traffic and retail impact, you need to hit <a href="http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_searchform.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_searchform.aspx</a> and put in application No: 10/01663/FUL. If you wish to comment - in favour or against - you write to John Bury, Head of Planning, e-mail: <a href="mailto:john.bury@edinburgh.gov.uk">john.bury@edinburgh.gov.uk</a>."</p> <p>"</p> <p>(<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/edinburgh/2010/jul/11/edinburgh-trams-ewan-williamson-firefighter-forth-crossing-ferry-bigw-milton-link" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/edinburgh/2010/jul/11/edinburgh-trams-ewan-williamson-firefighter-forth-crossing-ferry-bigw-milton-link</a>) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9821 Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:27:41 +0000 Kim 9821@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The SP Transport, Infrastructure and Climate Change Committee have a <a href="http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/s3/committees/ticc/reports-10/trr10-07.htm">report on the inquiry into the relationship between transport and land use planning policies</a>, so not all is lost, but it may take them some time to do anything about it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9787 Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:13:06 +0000 Kim 9787@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yellow is "Coward, Weak", hummm try telling that to <em>the</em> Tour... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9780 Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:53:01 +0000 steveo 9780@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"No colours anymore I want them to turn black" </p> <p>Now i'm going to go have to look out my stones albums.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9779 Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:45:57 +0000 Cyclingmollie 9779@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My favourite colour is what I think is known in the trade as "diesel". Kind of like grey, it goes with anything. A slutty colour. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9778 Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:36:12 +0000 chdot 9778@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Black always seems to get a bad rep"</p> <p>"<a href="http://www.lyricsfreak.com/r/rolling+stones/paint+it+black_20117875.html">No colours anymore I want them to turn black</a>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9777 Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:33:26 +0000 chdot 9777@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"green. Especially after seeing the Moulton"</p> <p>Was wondering if you were colourfully challenged (it's Gunmetal Grey), but realise you're employing another emotional use of green... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9776 Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:30:16 +0000 steveo 9776@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Black always seems to get a bad rep </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9775 Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:24:21 +0000 Cyclingmollie 9775@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Okay then, green. Especially after seeing the Moulton. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9773 Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:20:07 +0000 chdot 9773@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Mmmm -</p> <p><a href="http://www.technologystudent.com/despro2/colmood2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.technologystudent.com/despro2/colmood2.htm</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9772 Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:17:59 +0000 chdot 9772@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>or white?</p> <p><a href="http://t-shirts.cafepress.co.uk/feeling-impressed" rel="nofollow">http://t-shirts.cafepress.co.uk/feeling-impressed</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9768 Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:10:24 +0000 Cyclingmollie 9768@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Impressed - it's a sort of red colour I think. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9766 Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:05:05 +0000 chdot 9766@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Well colour me impressed"</p> <p>What colour would you like? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9765 Thu, 08 Jul 2010 22:01:20 +0000 Cyclingmollie 9765@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well colour me impressed chdot. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9740 Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:17:11 +0000 chdot 9740@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>For anyone who doesn't know where it is -</p> <p><a href="http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=696344" rel="nofollow">http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=696344</a></p> <p>(it's why I like 'smart' 'phones) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9662 Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:33:42 +0000 Arellcat 9662@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ok, no, it doesn't say "excellent" <em>per se</em>, it says "very well located". I was paraphrasing sections 4.3.1, 4.3.2 and 4.3.3, and use of the phrases "full accessibility assessment" and "close proximity to". 2.3.10 states a minimum of 42 cycle spaces, but not even section 5.3 explains why. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9660 Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:30:21 +0000 Kim 9660@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just look at the layout of the disabled parking spaces, all shoved off to one side to allow as much parking directly out side the doors. It speaks volumes about the planners/developers attitude to sustainable transport, lip service and nothing more.</p> <p>If the plans showed covered cycle parking either side of the doors and all the of the closest to the doors designated as disabled parking, I would take them more seriously.</p> <p>The <a href="http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/portal/submissions.do?action=ViewPublicCaseDetails&amp;applicationRef=10/01663/FUL">transport statement</a> makes the right noises but the plans show that they have no intention of following it up. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9659 Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:25:02 +0000 Cyclingmollie 9659@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks for posting that chdot. It's a clear summary of the problems at the old Big W site. Personally I cycle over the footbridge - a form of personal protest at a National Cycle Network that has steps. Image the M1 with steps, or muddy off-road sections. Grrr. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9658 Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:15:47 +0000 LaidBack 9658@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strong>It precedes that by saying how <em><u>excellent</u></em> the cycle and pedestrian access is to the site,</strong></p> <p>Did someone really say that? If it was <em>excellent</em> why have the council got the <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=986">ATAP</a> looking at improving it? Also if it was <em>excellent</em> they would need more than 42 bike spaces.</p> <p>I would say that car access to the site is <em>excellent </em>with a dedicated spur from bypass. This ease of car access is only spoilt by not having enough parking spaces (yet).</p> <p>Car parking spaces still exceed 42 though! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9655 Wed, 07 Jul 2010 12:56:50 +0000 Arellcat 9655@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>According to the Transport Statement, 42 cycle spaces are included in the plans. It precedes that by saying how excellent the cycle and pedestrian access is to the site, to the northwest, west and east.</p> <p>However, nowhere in the application makes it clear how the cycle parking will be provided. Only the Perspective Visual suggests, as Peter noted, where it might be located. Even my localish Tesco got it about right, with the bike racks right next to the entrance and under cover, and visible from inside the shop.</p> <p>As for the footbridge...I still wonder who thought it was a good idea to have a well graded ramp with steps. Compare <a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&amp;ll=55.942267,-3.101637&amp;spn=0,0.005338&amp;t=k&amp;z=18&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=55.941246,-3.100892&amp;panoid=EWF0Q9qxoihpUWujdblxkw&amp;cbp=12,37.16,,2,3.35">Brunstane access</a> with the bridge on <a href="http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&amp;source=s_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=toronto&amp;sll=55.941245,-3.100891&amp;sspn=0.001782,0.005338&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Toronto,+Toronto+Division,+Ontario,+Canada&amp;ll=43.669765,-79.341137&amp;spn=0,0.02135&amp;z=16&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=43.669727,-79.341241&amp;panoid=QnXidslfiqE8WRywralOtg&amp;cbp=12,138.29,,1,-3.64">Pape Avenue</a>, which <em>is</em> wheelchair and tandem friendly. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9650 Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:25:13 +0000 LaidBack 9650@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Another bit of the NCN1 which causes continental visitors to fall about in disbelief. Local users are never surprised though as we also have steps on the ERI path!</p> <p>I've submitted my list of other path faults to CEC and also the Spokes 'moderator' <a href="mailto:richard@blether.org.uk">richard@blether.org.uk</a></p> <p>If Edinburgh is going to be a 'model cycling city' it helps if you can get into town on a marked path without pushing your bike up steps or finding that barriers are too tightly angled to get through. </p> <p>I tend to go round whole thing but it is poorly marked and too narrow on bridge. Also riskier as it brings you out at a junction</p> <p>If Queen Margaret University actually had its correct quota of cycling commuters then the exisiting Eastern network couldn't cope. Newcraighall Road would back up for a start. It would be like a CM and drivers would complain! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9648 Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:01:04 +0000 Kim 9648@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This clearly shows the gap between the expressed policy desires and planning reality. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1043#post-9638 Wed, 07 Jul 2010 10:01:17 +0000 chdot 9638@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Dear Karen,</p> <p>Ref <a href="http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/DcApplication/application_detailview.aspx?caseno=L40ECBEW00Q00">10/01663/FUL</a>, supermarket on site of former Big W, Brunstane</p> <p>We object to this application, on grounds of inadequate provision for cycling.</p> <p>1) National Cycle Route 1 (NCN 1) crosses the car park at the southern end of the site but there are a number of un-dropped kerbs, the route is not clearly delineated nor marked for traffic to be aware of it, and the bridge over the railway at the east side has a flight of steps both up and down - the latter clearly also failing DDA requirements, and either preventing access to the supermarket from the east altogether, or making it very awkward with buggies etc, thus discouraging access via walking and cycling, and encouraging car use;</p> <p>2) The cycle parking as proposed in the plans is poorly located and virtually invisible, tucked away in the NE corner of the site. It is also not covered. This parking should be close to the main entrance, covered, marked by a sign or signs, and with signage at the perimeters to indicate where it is;</p> <p>3) Another major path runs along the west side of the site. It's not clear from the plans or the photo whether there is a connection into the site at the north end, opposite the main entrance, but it appears not. Clearly such a connection is highly desirable since it avoids walking south to the far end of the car park, then back through the car park (with potential conflict with vehicles). In fact there IS a gap in the hedge at the right place at present, but this needs to be formalised, and properly signed as a pedestrian/cycle entrance. Indeed this would be the preferred entrance for peds/cyclists from all directions except the east.</p> <p>4) Finally, I had some email correspondence at an earlier stage with the agent, Alistair Wood, which I will forward to you. All the above points were raised there. Mr Wood, as you will see, offered to forward my comments to the engineers, but he never got back to me. Furthermore, in the Pre-Application Consultation Statement which is part of the current documentation, these comments are not even mentioned.</p> <p>Thus, it may be that some of our points have been taken on board, and are just not shown on the plans. I doubt it - but if so, we have not been told anything.</p> <p>I hope these points will betaken into account when the application is considered by the Committee. If granted, it should be with conditions to satisfy (2) and (3) above. (1) is probably out of the owners' jurisdiction as they do not own the bridge, but they could be asked for a substantial developer's contribution towards replacing the steps.</p> <p>Yours etc,<br /> Peter Hawkins<br /> CTC Lothians </p> <p>" </p>