http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Cyclist down - Mound en Tue, 19 May 2026 00:20:12 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115348 Fri, 21 Jun 2013 06:19:10 +0000 SRD 115348@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So cool that it's on Streetview too. Immortalized! (until they update, I guess) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115334 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 23:01:48 +0000 Roibeard 115334@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>gkgk - that's <em>the</em> Pedersen! We may have others in the city, but I suspect only one spotted in regular use.</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115326 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:48:06 +0000 gkgk 115326@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Can't say I've ever had this issue witht he mound but glad of the warning. There's a Pedersen in the google <a href="https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=edinburgh+mound&amp;hl=en&amp;ll=55.950208,-3.195361&amp;spn=0.000306,0.000603&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;hq=mound&amp;hnear=Edinburgh,+City+of+Edinburgh,+United+Kingdom&amp;t=h&amp;fll=55.949861,-3.194458&amp;fspn=0.000306,0.000603&amp;z=21&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=55.950208,-3.195361&amp;panoid=lV3tZvP5n-FSwsUiTHM40Q&amp;cbp=12,312.77,,1,22.5">streetview </a>of the junction, heading uphill. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115318 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:56:09 +0000 wingpig 115318@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"There is even a sequence in the operation for traffic signals on the exit from Castle Terrace, so traffic like us cyclists heading for a bar can safely emerge on to The Mound, and ride up it."</em></blockquote></p> <p>That reminds me. It didn't detect me heading out of Mound Place on Saturday afternoon and didn't detect PS just after the MCA talk and therefore needs Clarencing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115315 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:50:42 +0000 Tulyar 115315@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Isn't it a signalised junction for getting Market Street traffic out on to The Mound? There is even a sequence in the operation for traffic signals on the exit from Castle Terrace, so traffic like us cyclists heading for a bar can safely emerge on to The Mound, and ride up it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115294 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:51:30 +0000 minus six 115294@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've had all sorts of drivers cut across my path dangerously at this junction while cycling up the mound.</p> <p>Taxis, council vans, lorries, the lot.</p> <p>the common verbal dialogue from them is:</p> <p>"you think i'm going to f*cking wait for <em>you</em>?!?"</p> <p>and yet, approaching the junction, i'm out of the saddle, on the rivet, ie. moving swiftly, and not slacking in my forward progress.</p> <p>Like others i've long since stopped using this route, entirely...</p> <p>... and yet its some kind of flagship cycle route, apparently? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115291 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:17:40 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 115291@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"Intent" as opposed to "accident".</em></p> <p>Gotcha, my bad (as the kids say) - definitely, nae doubt there at all. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115290 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 17:03:02 +0000 Min 115290@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Intent to kill? I doubt it.</em></p> <p>"Intent" as opposed to "accident". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115287 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:43:14 +0000 Try Cycle 115287@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe short term suspensions like australia are worth a consideration for the guys who make a living from driving. 14 to 30 day ban for a taxi driver would encourage them to be a bit more attentive as these bans would be dished out a lot quicker that 6 month+ bans </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115273 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 15:53:45 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 115273@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>There is definite intent in the actions of a driver who just mows through a cyclists was is in their way.</em>"</p> <p>Intent to kill? I doubt it.</p> <p>Intent to carry on driving in the negligent expectation that the cyclist will stop or get out of the way? Most certainly.</p> <p>Still seriously bad, and in my mind should lead to a (temporary) suspension of driving licence (though not even the taxi licence will be suspended, we know that) (if first offence etc.), but it's not murderous intent. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115262 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 15:19:49 +0000 Min 115262@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is definite intent in the actions of a driver who just mows through a cyclists was is in their way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115261 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 15:11:08 +0000 DaveC 115261@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So I assume the persons tweeting on behalf of Police Edinburgh are not officers, as they just admitted, when they originally used 'accident' instead of 'collision'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115260 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 15:02:57 +0000 chdot 115260@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>EdinburghPolice (@EdinburghPolice)<br /> 20/06/2013 15:00<br /> @DaveCrampton This is the wording in Road Traffic legislation, Police use term collision.</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115259 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 15:02:12 +0000 Two Tired 115259@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Accident implies no intent, not no one at fault. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115258 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:58:16 +0000 DaveC 115258@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Accident?? Implies no one is at fault. Surely incident? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115255 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:45:37 +0000 chdot 115255@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> EdinburghPolice (@EdinburghPolice)<br /> 20/06/2013 14:41<br /> @Martin_Maciver @CyclingEdin @policescotland @surroundedbh Duty of driver to stop, report accident etc </p> <p><a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/VII/crossheading/duties-in-case-of-accident" rel="nofollow">http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/part/VII/crossheading/duties-in-case-of-accident</a></p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115251 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:31:19 +0000 neddie 115251@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That mid-mound junction is awful for pedestrians too.</p> <p>The lights are heavily loaded in favour of road traffic. So as a pedestrian you can wait there for ages just to cross the road. Often in tourist season (which is pretty much all the time) you get 40 or 50 people waiting to cross (just so that 5 or 6 cars can get through without delay). Then you have loads of amber-gamblers coming up Market St, turning left on the mound, further reducing the time peds. have to cross.</p> <p>This junction, and the pavement from Haymarket to EICC, epitomises how pedestrian-unfriendly Edinburgh is. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115242 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:35:02 +0000 Min 115242@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It is the "might is right" gambit. Cyclists should give way at all times. I doubt they will lose their licence as if you drive for a living you can do pretty much anything you want as no-one can touch you if it means losing your job.</p> <p>I hope the woman will be okay. Physically is only half the story. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115238 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:13:23 +0000 chdot 115238@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>But it'll be all right soon. </p> <p>Cycling Scotland is due to launch a new 'respect' campaign soon. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115237 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:12:21 +0000 chdot 115237@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I see green, I get to drive through you as you are in my way."</p> <p>Exactly. </p> <p>Even IF the cyclist had been in the wrong (she wasn't) that is NOT <em>any</em> sort of reason for knocking her down. </p> <p>Driver doesn't even seem to have said I didn't see/register because I wasn't expecting anyone. </p> <p>Seems like a clear case for suspension of licences. </p> <p>Well I'm sure it would happen in some countries. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115235 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:05:03 +0000 kaputnik 115235@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>from above thread </p> <p>TAXI - "<em>but it was a Green light, what are you doing</em>"?</p> <p>Exactly the same as I got for the bus. The green is for the pedestrian crossing. The right turn is NOT signalled by it (and it's a green, not a filter light, so even if it were for the junction, normal rules of checking your path is clear and only going when it is safe to do so apply.)</p> <p>The taxi was turning across traffic into a side road - I don't think it's possible to be on a red uphill here where it's green downhill - whichever was I think it through, the liability lies with the turning vehicle.</p> <p>If the "but it's green" statement is correct, taxi driver was demonstrating his misunderstanding of the rules of the road. a.k.a. I see green, I get to drive through you as you are in my way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115232 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:01:33 +0000 chdot 115232@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Same guy as on Twitter. </p> <p>Also said -</p> <p>"Have reported it to City Licencing." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115229 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:55:22 +0000 rust 115229@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Also posted by someone who saw it here: <a href="http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/taxi-knocks-down-cyclist-the-mound-edinburgh" rel="nofollow">http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/taxi-knocks-down-cyclist-the-mound-edinburgh</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115225 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:45:45 +0000 Snowy 115225@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nasty junction. Always seems to have the feel of a 'temporary' junction...you instinctively feel that there's something not right about it. Had a few close calls there with taxis (as it happens) trying to sneak in a swift right-hand turn when the lights go green. Hope today's victim is ok. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115218 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:26:54 +0000 cc 115218@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I came within an inch of being knocked over at this exact same place too. As a result I never cycle up the Mound any more. The traffic light junction half way up is so dangerous that the top of Bank Street should be entirely closed off in my opinion. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115213 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:17:59 +0000 chdot 115213@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Bruce Ritchie (@surroundedbh)<br /> 20/06/2013 12:10<br /> @CyclingEdin cyclist seemed ok in the aftermath but taxi tried to blame her!</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115210 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:13:53 +0000 ARobComp 115210@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've had bus/taxi issues here as well. Hope she's ok. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115207 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:08:20 +0000 kaputnik 115207@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is exactly where a Lothian Bus tried same on me about 3 years ago and came within inches of ending my days with the same maneouvre.</p> <p>Notwithstanding the foul tirade I got from the driver afterwards, review of the bus CCTV showed that there is a "green" light just before the junction for cars coming down Bank Street to turn into Market Street, however it's the green for the crossing, not a green to turn right (and there's no filter here). So the bus driver's "defence" of "I was on green" was a load of cobblers, he was in the wrong on all accounts. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115205 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:01:49 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 115205@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And if she was going uphill then on there even the fastest of us are travelling at a decreased spped, so can't be as if she 'came out of nowhere' (presume taxi was turning down the road to Waverley). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10522#post-115203 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:59:03 +0000 chdot 115203@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Bruce Ritchie (@surroundedbh)<br /> 20/06/2013 11:53<br /> #cycling @CyclingEdin 9.45am The Mound Female cyclist knocked down by Taxi turned right x her path she was going uphill and had right of way</p> <p>" </p>