http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Proposed secure on-street cycle parking facility - pilot en Tue, 19 May 2026 13:54:16 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849&page=2#post-313350 Fri, 30 Aug 2019 12:47:39 +0000 SRD 313350@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Having done the survey, i am struck that it doesn't say anything about cost. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849&page=2#post-313348 Fri, 30 Aug 2019 12:40:50 +0000 davidsonsdave 313348@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>From our BUG:</p> <p>Edinburgh City Council is running a consultation about installing secure on-street cycle parking. There is already a list of streets selected. If you want to have your say please fill in the survey (link is below). The survey is closing on the 30th Sep, 2019.</p> <p><a href="https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/c233daa8/" rel="nofollow">https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/c233daa8/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849&page=2#post-167840 Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:27:53 +0000 Kim 167840@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Apparently the Keys arrive on Wednesday (but not sure if the two missing units will), read about the <a href="http://www.kimharding.net/blog/?p=1965">whole saga here</a>... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849&page=2#post-167709 Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:42:39 +0000 Min 167709@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well if no-one has keys they will be very safe indeed! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849&page=2#post-167704 Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:27:12 +0000 Scoosh 167704@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Keys ???</p> <p>You mean you actually want to <em>use </em>them ??? Maybe the keys have been 'lost in transit' :shakes head: </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849&page=2#post-167692 Fri, 10 Oct 2014 16:59:46 +0000 Kim 167692@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well the cycle "Streetstores" have landed (or at lease half of them have, I am told there are two more to come). However, the keys have yet to arrive... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849&page=2#post-167631 Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:15:37 +0000 Ed1 167631@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In July I was in London and stayed in Southwalk I noticed the housing estates have resident bike parking, secure cages, outside the flats most seem well used full of bikes. Southwalk also has a lot of 20 mph streets. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849&page=2#post-167590 Thu, 09 Oct 2014 21:10:04 +0000 SRD 167590@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I see on twitter that Kim's locker has finally arrived. </p> <p>Anyone else on here involved in this trial? How's it going? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849&page=2#post-162187 Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:32:55 +0000 Kim 162187@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If you want to find the origin of this scheme <a href="http://www.kimharding.net/blog/?p=459">start here</a> and <a href="http://www.kimharding.net/blog/?p=1816">also here</a>. There are still two sites waiting to get the secure storage, one of which is in my street, but then I have been waiting five years, so a few more months isn't such a big deal.</p> <p>The proposed charges of £5 to £10 per bike per month do seem a wee bit excessive. The original consultation suggested that they could start at £2 per bike per month which would be more reasonable. </p> <p>It is interesting to note that the secure storage is designed to take up the space need to park on car, and provides storage for 12 bike. Therefore at £5 per bike per month, the bike parking would yield £720 per annum, compared to £28.50 - £371 for the same space. Also note there is a cost to enforcing car parking rules, it is not straight income.</p> <p>Once the scheme is fully up and running, maybe there should be another look at the cost of storage for all forms private transport... ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-160438 Sun, 27 Jul 2014 09:33:23 +0000 rust 160438@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"you cannot carry a bike up four floors unless you’re an athlete"</em></p> <p>I'm guessing that's not one of the Commonwealth Games sports? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-160424 Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:41:15 +0000 gembo 160424@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Most practical thing the council has done for me for years said the woman in the article </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-160423 Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:37:08 +0000 Snowy 160423@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The roll-top units aren't bad looking, and probably a more efficient use of space, but seem to leave the bikes more open to the elements.</p> <p>The locker units on WP Terr are fairly ugly, but at least the bike would be better protected from moisture. Wonder if more than one bike could fit in a locker?</p> <p>Haven't seen the other model. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-160412 Sat, 26 Jul 2014 14:25:22 +0000 chdot 160412@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/cycle-racks-to-end-scourge-of-bikes-in-flat-stairs-1-3489552" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/cycle-racks-to-end-scourge-of-bikes-in-flat-stairs-1-3489552</a></p> <p>Comments are mixed... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-160162 Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:15:48 +0000 neddie 160162@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>and they've moved the bins, nicely blocking the connecting path between Spottiswoode St and Leamington Walk </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-160160 Wed, 23 Jul 2014 21:58:16 +0000 cb 160160@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Passed by these today, at the junction of Warrender Park Terrace and Spottiswoode Street.</p> <p>Three boxes in all, two 3s and one 2. So storage for eight bikes (unless its two bikes per compartment). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-159952 Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:00:14 +0000 chdot 159952@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Buttons &amp; Robin (@ButtonsAndRobin)<br /> 21/07/2014 21:41<br /> Spotted. Who can tell me more and how do I get one near me? @CyclingEdin </p> <p><a href="http://pic.twitter.com/JBfP6LaMRV" rel="nofollow">http://pic.twitter.com/JBfP6LaMRV</a></p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-143428 Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:44:14 +0000 Tulyar 143428@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It would be interesting work through the legal issues as well, just to get a better picture of how this might apply if the spaces were charged for.</p> <p>The law is very specific noting subsection 1.9 of the Roads Scotland Act 1984 </p> <p>..(9)Subject to subsection (10) below, every road which is entered in the list of public roads kept by a local roads authority shall vest in the authority for the purposes of their functions as roads authority: but such vesting shall not confer on an authority any heritable right in relation to a road.</p> <p>Roughly translated - the roads authority (Council) is not entitled to make money or gain benefits from the use of the land on which the road (which they own) sits, and this is why the money earned from parking charges (in theory at least) should only be used to cover the costs of managing the road &amp; parking on it. Any 'profit' would be due for payment to the owner(s) of the land - generally the frontagers, to whom the land should revert if it is no longer required for use as a road (ie for the sole statutory purpose of moving traffic on foot or awheel). Now here might be a fine challenge for those wanting a bigger front garden. Several examples of this exist in Glasgow, with the university, and SMG taking over entire streets which no longer connect 2 different places, as they own all the property on the street. </p> <p>If the road over your land (title plan) is stopped up as a road it comes back to you - so you could rent it out as a parking space, and take the income, or convert it to a pleasant green space, or somewhere to park your bike. </p> <p>It might also link to placing cycle parking units on the road and also charging for the use of cycle parking units on land belonging to the flat-owners (an irony there on being charged to park on land that you own?). It might also prompt a bit of legal fun if you can prove a piece of road on your land is not required for passing &amp; repassing of traffic (because 95% of the time it has a car parked on it) if it is used for parking, then obviously it is not required for use as a road, and under Section 79 (I think?) a move to de-list that bit of road and revert it to your ownership might be promoted. Anyone up for setting a precedent? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-143388 Sun, 23 Feb 2014 23:37:03 +0000 chdot 143388@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Other options -</p> <p><a href="http://www.vextra.dk/Log/USERFILES/Bicycle_Parking_Manual_10MB.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.vextra.dk/Log/USERFILES/Bicycle_Parking_Manual_10MB.pdf</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-143135 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:46:47 +0000 SRD 143135@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@zesty - earlier this year, we had someone posting in here who lived near Lonsdale terrace and has been told she couldn't keep a bike in her flat. Yet there was nowhere on her street where she could lock her bike. For someone like that, is might prove very attractive and help hem start/keep cycling. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-143134 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:20:55 +0000 gkgk 143134@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've often dreamt of buying a box trailer thing or a caravan and parking it outside the flat as a bike lock-up - I don't have a car and everyone else enjoys free on-street parking here - but this looks pretty good too, very encouraging! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-143127 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 21:21:45 +0000 crowriver 143127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Look, these ones are going to be free. It's only if they're a success (how will this be measured?) that they will roll out across the city and a fiver a month will be charged. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-143071 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:18:09 +0000 zesty 143071@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So how many bike's do these bike bins hold??<br /> From the picture it looks to be only 4 so 20 spaces in total also what is the cost of one of these bike bins?</p> <p>Personally think they are a waste of money, its not going to exactly stop the more determined thiefs! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-143059 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 12:08:32 +0000 cc 143059@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>£28.50 a year for a car permit seems heavily lenient!</em></p> <p>All part of the drive to make the air less poisonous (while encouraging car use as much as possible). A parking permit for the smelliest cars costs £371 a year. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-143057 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:33:46 +0000 Snowy 143057@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh, the parking permit charges are listed here. Bear in mind that very few cars will be £28.50. The majority in a non-central zone will be paying £81 or £92.50.<br /> <a href="https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/1278/parking-zones_and_permits/1461/resident_and_visitor_permits/3">https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/1278/parking-zones_and_permits/1461/resident_and_visitor_permits/3</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-143056 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:30:33 +0000 Snowy 143056@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>All valid points. </p> <p>Abandonment - in practical terms there needs to be a balance between the time period that a bike could be abandoned for prior to be being noticed &amp; removed, and the payment efficiency - perhaps quarterly is a good balance. I simply don't think CEC would be round immediately to remove a bike if someone didn't pay for 1 month. But there has to be a relatively easy way of dealing with it - give a bike a small sticker and other shelter users can report suspected abandoned bikes, and CEC can tie it back to owners.</p> <p>RE maintenance, that's a good point. There's an argument that local street infrastructure (including car parking facilities) is maintained through local taxation. Chicken and egg, since I'm guessing that if CEC didn't get money from things like resident permits and parking charges, local council taxes would consequently have to be higher.</p> <p>I'm sorry, but I don't see how a family of 4 is going to be encouraged away from car to bike when parking 4 bikes is going to cost them £240 a year even in a non-central zone.</p> <p>I guess what I'm saying is that a bike parking charge is perfectly fair in my view. But I'd like it to reflect space usage and emissions compared with other (ie car) parking charges. So it should be a lot lower. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-143054 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:23:43 +0000 wingpig 143054@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"£28.50 a year for a car permit seems heavily lenient!"</em></blockquote></p> <p>Perhaps it reflects that a permit is merely a permit and not a guarantee of a space. Wonder what the effective incomes-per-space are... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-143053 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:18:54 +0000 kaputnik 143053@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>£5 a month seems reasonable-ish, although if you are a student with a £60 BSO from the Bike Station would you be willing to pay that again for a years' storage? Given you don't get much change from a fiver for a pint in many places, I can imagine that many will choose to continue cluttering up stairwells instead of the other option.</p> <p>A deposit system might be more practical to encourage those on limited incomes.</p> <p>£28.50 a year for a car permit seems heavily lenient! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-143050 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:57:33 +0000 fimm 143050@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Min makes a good point about abandoned bikes and payment for maintenance etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-143049 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:56:31 +0000 Min 143049@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>In three of the proposed streets, for an 'eco-friendly' car ie 0-100g/CO2/km, the 12month permit is £28.50</em></p> <p>Really??</p> <p>Ah but then, "eco-friendly" cars take up less space, increase rainforests, re-ice the polar ice cap and cause pandas to multiply like rabbits. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10849#post-143048 Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:49:10 +0000 chdot 143048@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Of course the argument here will be 'but we are charging for the shelter'. </p> <p>Certainly can't simply be on a 'square footage of roadspace'. </p> <p>Probably means that car permits are too cheap... </p>