http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: 20mph zones may go Scotland wide after Edinburgh trial en Wed, 13 May 2026 05:44:33 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-373532 Wed, 21 Feb 2024 21:05:14 +0000 SRD 373532@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>for once, a not completely annoying column from Adrian Chiles?</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/21/20mph-speed-limit-seemed-unfeasible-i-learned-to-love-pootling-along" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/21/20mph-speed-limit-seemed-unfeasible-i-learned-to-love-pootling-along</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-369511 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 11:15:34 +0000 Stickman 369511@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD - it’s extraordinary. And if the by-election had been held in a few weeks when the Brunel University students were back in the area to vote it could have been a different result and this whole debate wouldn’t be happening. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-369508 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 10:46:32 +0000 SRD 369508@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I like this tweet from a colleague: @drjennings "The Uxbridge by-election has turned into the Brexit referendum for green policies: huge inferences are being made about the ‘will of the people’ with only limited evidence on what actually informed people’s votes." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-369503 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 07:41:11 +0000 gembo 369503@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Radio 4 had scientist on earlier. She said studies in London suggest LTNs work,</p> <p>I thought phew, some facts instead of opinions.</p> <p>But no, now they have two petrol heads on. One who supports Sunak but wants local people to decide and a petrol head Steve Berry who said he liked living in an LTN but when he moved and couldn’t drive through it to where he wanted to go he became annoyed.</p> <p>What I am struggling with is then why they didn’t refer back to the scientist from 30 mins ago? Maybe they did. I don’t know as I turned the radio off.</p> <p>Wrong thread Sorry but looks like the whole March of progress in identifying driving in urban areas as problematical is being halted. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-369501 Sun, 30 Jul 2023 22:13:26 +0000 chdot 369501@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Small</em> comfort that this is about England </p> <p>“</p> <p>Ministers consider curbs on councils’ use of 20mph speed limits</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/30/rishi-sunak-councils-20mph-speed-limit-low-traffic-neighbourhoods-ltns" rel="nofollow">https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/30/rishi-sunak-councils-20mph-speed-limit-low-traffic-neighbourhoods-ltns</a></p> <p>BUT</p> <p>Apart from the small minded micro-management, aren’t there more important things to be dealing with??? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-365754 Fri, 13 Jan 2023 10:08:10 +0000 nobrakes 365754@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I can however confirm that a large number of vehicles including articulated lorries still<br /> go though Stow at very high speeds, and I am still regularly overtaken at inopportune places within the village when already doing 20 on my bike. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-365752 Thu, 12 Jan 2023 22:12:03 +0000 chdot 365752@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>Borders 20mph speed limit move made permanent </p> <p>….</p> <p>John Greenwell, executive member for roads development and maintenance, said there was "unequivocal evidence" of the effectiveness of the limit.</p> <p>"Although a small number of people had doubts about this project, its introduction has undoubtedly made the Borders a safer and more vibrant place to live," he said.</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-64249342" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-64249342</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-358830 Sat, 05 Mar 2022 12:08:32 +0000 chdot 358830@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/20mph-zones-may-become-permanent-in-east-lothian-3597925" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/20mph-zones-may-become-permanent-in-east-lothian-3597925</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-358062 Fri, 21 Jan 2022 14:27:48 +0000 Morningsider 358062@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just remember, when someone gets all excited about the work of the Scottish Parliament's Cross Party Group on Sustainable Transport that the Graham Simpson MSP arguing against 20mph speed limits in that article is its convenor. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-358061 Fri, 21 Jan 2022 13:37:10 +0000 Stickman 358061@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The usual wailing and moaning from the usual suspects. </p> <p>Cole-Hamilton is fully embracing his internet troll persona. </p> <p><a href="https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-speed-limits-20mph-rollout-26006057" rel="nofollow">https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-speed-limits-20mph-rollout-26006057</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-350852 Thu, 20 May 2021 14:27:39 +0000 acsimpson 350852@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If the current average speed is 29mph what do they think will happen when they increase the limit to 30mph? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-350842 Thu, 20 May 2021 13:11:32 +0000 crowriver 350842@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I predict that exactly the same will happen to the pavement parking "ban" when it eventually is "implemented" some time in 2030....</p> <p>"Oh everybody is parking on the pavement anyway, let's just give up". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-350837 Thu, 20 May 2021 11:23:00 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 350837@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Fife town’s 20mph speed limit to be ditched because most drivers don’t obey it"</p> <p><a href="https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/2238295/fife-towns-20mph-speed-limit-to-be-ditched-because-most-drivers-dont-obey-it/" rel="nofollow">https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/2238295/fife-towns-20mph-speed-limit-to-be-ditched-because-most-drivers-dont-obey-it/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-348555 Mon, 22 Mar 2021 12:57:38 +0000 Stickman 348555@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-56483343" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-56483343</a></p> <p><blockquote> Early road traffic data from a trial 20mph speed limit across more than 90 Borders towns and villages has been described as "really encouraging".<br /> </blockquote> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-346221 Thu, 11 Feb 2021 22:25:42 +0000 14Westfield 346221@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote> To be seen to be doing something, without actually doing anything</blockquote></p> <p>Surely the apogee of modern governance.</p> <p>Sir Humphrey would be very pleased with that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-346216 Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:35:14 +0000 neddie 346216@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>To be seen to be doing something, without actually doing anything </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=27#post-346215 Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:23:33 +0000 Morningsider 346215@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/49053/stpr2-phase-1-ast-project-2-20mph-zones-3-feb-2021.pdf">The commitment</a> is to develop a national strategy for 20mph zones and limits in Scotland which:</p> <p><blockquote>...will identify a number of outcomes to assist in the further delivery of 20mph zones and limits on those roads where it is appropriate to do so.</blockquote></p> <p>Then to undertake a review of national guidance, then to develop an implementation plan for the strategy.</p> <p>Nice work for Jacobs and Aecom who drafted this, not so good for the people who will die waiting for change.</p> <p>Remember, at the end of this 20mph limits will still have to go through the speed limit order process (same as the TRO process) and be reliant on forward thinking councillors and officers willing to take the stick from nimbys and political opponents. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=26#post-346212 Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:48:45 +0000 Stickman 346212@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/20mph-speed-limits-look-set-be-coming-your-town-soon-alastair-dalton-3131571" rel="nofollow">https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/20mph-speed-limits-look-set-be-coming-your-town-soon-alastair-dalton-3131571</a></p> <p><blockquote> Among a mini avalanche of reports just published by Transport Scotland as part of a new major projects blueprint were plans for a “national strategy to guide the implementation of 20mph zones".<br /> </blockquote> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=26#post-345183 Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:52:49 +0000 Morningsider 345183@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good news. The odd thing is that <a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2399808320985524">the journal article</a> actually has hee-haw to do with road safety and is really an attempt to fit two models to the collision data for Edinburgh.</p> <p>Not going to claim I fully understand what the article is really saying - many moons since I did any modelling (maths that is, obviously still doing the Calvin Klein stuff). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=26#post-345178 Fri, 29 Jan 2021 13:08:08 +0000 Stickman 345178@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/crashes-cut-one-third-after-20mph-limit-introduced-edinburgh-3117175" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/crashes-cut-one-third-after-20mph-limit-introduced-edinburgh-3117175</a></p> <p><blockquote> The university said the research “provided compelling evidence that a structural change occurred leading to a further decline in the rates of collisions, which can be associated with introduction of the 20mph speed limit.</p> <p>However, Dr Valentin Popov, of the school of mathematics and statistics, who led the study published in the journal published in Environment and Planning B, said the decline might have been due to a “cultural shift” rather than directly attributable only to the introduction of the new lower limit.</p> <p>Dr Popov said: “We have reasons to believe the 20mph policy was effective, at least in the short-term.</p> <p>"This shows that 20mph limits are worth considering in cities where there is a concerted will to reduce RTCs and make roads safer for users.”</p> <p></blockquote></p> <p>Nick Cook was unavailable for comment. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=26#post-336194 Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:28:43 +0000 Rosie 336194@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/news/18651067.20-miles-per-hour-speed-limit-introduced-kellie-road/" rel="nofollow">https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/news/18651067.20-miles-per-hour-speed-limit-introduced-kellie-road/</a></p> <p>"THE speed limit on the main road to one of East Lothian’s largest primary schools could be temporarily reduced under changes being considered by the local authority.</p> <p>All the roads in the Hallhill area of Dunbar have a 20mph speed limit, with the exception of Kellie Road."</p> <p>This is 20mph in a road with a primary school and it makes the news. Temporary at that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=26#post-336186 Fri, 21 Aug 2020 22:12:44 +0000 chdot 336186@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/20mph-zones-planned-towns-and-villages-across-borders-2949781" rel="nofollow">https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/20mph-zones-planned-towns-and-villages-across-borders-2949781</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=26#post-323541 Fri, 28 Feb 2020 13:28:30 +0000 Stickman 323541@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/council/council-labelled-ghoulish-20mph-speed-limit-reduction-criteria-30mph-rollout-set-approval-1890687" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/council/council-labelled-ghoulish-20mph-speed-limit-reduction-criteria-30mph-rollout-set-approval-1890687</a></p> <p><blockquote>Cllr Kevin Lang said: “The whole point of the 20mph rollout was to prevent accidents and improve road safety. TheCouncil takes a ghoulish approach to traffic calming, waiting for people to be injured or killed before physical measures are even considered.</p> <p>“I think the Council should be taking steps to prevent accidents from happening in the first place, not sitting morbidly with a clipboard and a calculator to work out when enough people have been injured to justify action.”</blockquote></p> <p>Meanwhile Nick Cook says that we should sit morbidly with a clipboard and a calculator:</p> <p><blockquote>On the review of 40mph streets, the proposed actions seem disproportionate to the scale of the issue, given speeds on most of these roads are well within tolerance. Resources would be best targeted at those roads with the highest collision rates."</blockquote> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=26#post-323103 Sat, 22 Feb 2020 11:46:50 +0000 gembo 323103@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Glad to see this esp the Lanark Road one as I think the inside lane after Gillespie x road heading in to town has recently become a car park. I sense maybe for people then catching bus into town. This makes cycling outside the car door zone tricky and the reduction might influence some drivers not to floor it away from the lights.</p> <p>Further down you have the pinch point s where Andrew was killed and indeed the mad cracks where the two lanes join.</p> <p>Add in the crosswinds that blow north south at kingsknowe and you get a very tricky stretch of road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=26#post-323080 Fri, 21 Feb 2020 19:18:15 +0000 Stickman 323080@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Locations to Retain a 40mph Speed Limit<br /> Location<br /> Clifton Road<br /> Clifton Hall Road<br /> B924 (except Hawes Brae)<br /> Edinburgh Road<br /> Glasgow Road (between Ratho Station at Gogar Roundabout)<br /> Turnhouse Road<br /> Braid Hills Drive<br /> Old Dalkeith Road </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=26#post-323079 Fri, 21 Feb 2020 19:02:22 +0000 acsimpson 323079@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is that all the remaining 40mph roads within the ring road? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=26#post-323073 Fri, 21 Feb 2020 18:20:36 +0000 Stickman 323073@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s14508/Item%207.4%20-%2040mph%20Speed%20Limit%20Review.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s14508/Item%207.4%20-%2040mph%20Speed%20Limit%20Review.pdf</a></p> <p>40mph limits being reduced to 30mph:</p> <p>4.2.1 Lanark Road;<br /> 4.2.2 West Approach Road;<br /> 4.2.3 Comiston Road;<br /> 4.2.4 Biggar Road;<br /> 4.2.5 Riccarton Mains Road;<br /> 4.2.6 Calder Road;<br /> 4.2.7 Wester Hailes Road;<br /> 4.2.8 Glasgow Road – between Gogar roundabout and Drum Brae roundabout;<br /> 4.2.9 Glasgow Road – between Newbridge roundabout and the east end of<br /> Ratho Station;<br /> 4.2.10 Old Liston Road;<br /> 4.2.11 Gogar Station Road;<br /> 4.2.12 South Gyle Broadway;<br /> 4.2.13 South Gyle Access;<br /> 4.2.14 Queensferry Road;<br /> 4.2.15 Hillhouse Road;<br /> 4.2.16 Frogston Brae;<br /> 4.2.17 Seafield Road East;<br /> 4.2.18 Sir Harry Lauder Road;<br /> 4.2.19 Milton Link;<br /> 4.2.20 Milton Road;<br /> 4.2.21 Milton Road East; and<br /> 4.2.22 Hawes Brae.<br /> 4.3 It should also be noted that proposals are currently being progressed by other Council teams to reduce the existing 40mph speed limits on Lasswade Road and Burdiehouse Road to 30mph.<br /> 4.4 In addition, it is proposed to reduce the existing 40mph speed limit on Braid Hills Drive to 30mph, in conjunction with the introduction of cycling facilities, as part of an Active Travel project. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=26#post-322915 Thu, 20 Feb 2020 09:46:38 +0000 steveo 322915@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>That plus make all bus stops build-outs so that private motoring is never faster than the bus.<br /> </em><br /> Or encourage industrial scale rat running! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=26#post-322914 Thu, 20 Feb 2020 09:20:08 +0000 slowcoach 322914@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@jonty - speed limiting must be due soon. The Scottish Government promised to promote it as long ago as <a href="https://www2.gov.scot/resource/doc/274654/0082190.pdf">2009</a>. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10940&page=26#post-322806 Tue, 18 Feb 2020 14:27:13 +0000 I were right about that saddle 322806@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@jonty</p> <p>That plus make all bus stops build-outs so that private motoring is never faster than the bus. </p>