http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Where are all the peds? en Mon, 01 Jun 2026 02:54:45 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-174047 Mon, 01 Dec 2014 10:23:01 +0000 Dave 174047@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>First day of winter so I thought I would humour myself with a count today (also there was an amazing sunrise all the way along the canal, apropos of nothing).</p> <p>There were 43 vs 11 on the canal, and 81 vs 17 on NEPN. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-172822 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 20:03:28 +0000 Kenny 172822@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And 72 vs 34 this morning, thus hugely more busy, which I shall put down to the fact it was not raining and mildly pleasant when I left around 07:45 (but was then pissing down at 08:20, catching us all unawares). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-172674 Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:32:26 +0000 Kenny 172674@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em> the wettest I can remember </em></p> <p>Really? It was only 10mm in the space of 7 hours. In October, we had 70mm in 16 hours. Now *that* was wet! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-172648 Tue, 18 Nov 2014 16:46:21 +0000 Dave 172648@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It was seriously wet yesterday. I think the wettest I can remember (and with quite the easterly).</p> <p>If only someone had made an automated counter, think of the data we could gather... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-172629 Tue, 18 Nov 2014 14:52:19 +0000 Kenny 172629@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Counted cyclists vs peds on NEPN from Roseburn to Hawthornvale yesterday morning during the heavy rain, only 34 vs 22. But the weather must've played a massive part in that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-171701 Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:33:33 +0000 Kenny 171701@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Schools were in. Passed plenty of kids at Fiveways. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-171617 Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:49:43 +0000 wingpig 171617@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hmm. I usually see them just by the Victoria Park turn-off and they weren't there either, but there were children amassing at St. Mary's on Leith Links and my neighbour's kid was sitting in their car wearing school uniform, so not sure what's going on. Didn't look like there were any post drop-off jogging-parents at Ravelston today, either. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-171595 Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:27:23 +0000 Dave 171595@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Another bitterly cold day - starting to feel like winter. 47 vs 13 on the canal and 63 vs 35 on NEPN.</p> <p>Are the schools out? Expected to see a crowd of kids near five ways, but saw none... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-170598 Mon, 03 Nov 2014 10:09:17 +0000 Dave 170598@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was running late today due to discovering a leak in the bathroom refit while enjoying my morning ablutions, so I half expected a lot more cyclists, but actually it was mainly the number of peds that went up: 38 vs 10 on the canal. </p> <p>For my own amusement I decided to count NEPN too (starting again from zero) and got 68 vs 36. Surprisingly a higher proportion of pedestrians on NEPN than the canal.</p> <p>I used to expect around 100 riders on NEPN in the summer, so I'm not sure if that means numbers have held up OK or not. Depends on your perspective. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-167982 Mon, 13 Oct 2014 15:39:49 +0000 Morningsider 167982@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dave - probably a rail-head treatment train. They use high pressure water jets to blast leaf mulch of the rails. Eliminating the dreaded "leaves on the line". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-167980 Mon, 13 Oct 2014 15:24:00 +0000 gembo 167980@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Edinburgh school holidays if that helps in the calculations? East wind is it? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-167977 Mon, 13 Oct 2014 15:02:06 +0000 amir 167977@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I wore longs this morning and regretted it within 5 mins. And I was down to one layer on top quite quickly too. However I managed to survive with long-fingered gloves for the whole 18 miles.</p> <p>I did think it was going to brighten up today - must be because I cleaned the bike yesterday. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-167972 Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:33:15 +0000 fimm 167972@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My work bike racks are remarkably busy. One of my cycling colleagues rolled in in shorts this morning. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-167967 Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:15:53 +0000 Dave 167967@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Massive fall in numbers this morning to 34:9</p> <p>Strangely I saw the same number of people in shorts, short sleeves and no gloves as before. Made of sterner stuff than I!</p> <p>Re-fitted a headlight to my commuter last night but haven't needed it yet. After three years I decided I could retire the faithful Cyo and have popped on a new Philips from stores.</p> <p>Highlight of the day: strange train which appeared to be steam cleaning the rails, I passed him around about the bridges. Slow and noisy! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-167933 Mon, 13 Oct 2014 12:06:38 +0000 kaputnik 167933@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Work bike racks are about 50% less full than they were even a few weeks back. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-167929 Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:56:13 +0000 Baldcyclist 167929@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Will the failing light slash cycling rates?"</p> <p>I've noticed I'm not getting overtaken so much on way in from Fife (I'm not getting faster). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-167864 Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:59:30 +0000 Stickman 167864@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Certainly more and more bikes though. I just saw NINE cyclists in the ASZ at the top of Dalry Road. Lots more in the general Haymarket area. </p> <p>(Spotted from the bus; I'm off the bike with the lurgee. Cough, splutter....) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-167858 Mon, 13 Oct 2014 06:37:19 +0000 Dave 167858@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>52:11</p> <p>Will the failing light slash cycling rates? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-167252 Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:31:35 +0000 kaputnik 167252@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm normally on the NEPN after 830AM and there are plenty perambulists around, but I'd say a good majority of these are either "walking" their dogs (by which I mean they and the dog are in loose proximity to eachother and heading in the same general direction albeit using unpredicatbly different routes) or out to wear their leotards and carry water-filled dumb bells around. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-167248 Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:19:39 +0000 Charlethepar 167248@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Where are all the peds?"</p> <p>Have you <em>tried</em> walking along the canal during peak cycle commuting times. Can be more unpleasant than cycling in heavy traffic, which at least is slowed down by the weight of its own congestion.</p> <p>Personally, I'm not surprised people are finding other routes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-167195 Tue, 07 Oct 2014 09:39:09 +0000 crowriver 167195@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@chdot, aye. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-167191 Tue, 07 Oct 2014 09:26:40 +0000 chdot 167191@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>An</em> answer - they don't like the 'cold' and are driving again(?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-167190 Tue, 07 Oct 2014 09:20:17 +0000 Dave 167190@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm back on the commuter now and therefore on the canal again.</p> <p>I thought it would be interesting to continue my count of peds and bikes.</p> <p>This morning there were 53 cyclists between Wester Hailes and Harrison Park, and 10 peds, 1:5.3 "our" way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-130608 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:37:29 +0000 Dave 130608@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've been doing this for a while now, as holding a few numbers in my head stops me thinking about anything in particular while riding.</p> <p>Consistently on the way into Edinburgh in rush hour I count fewer than 10 pedestrians on the canal versus 20-30 riders, and on NEPN around 20 pedestrians versus 60+ riders. </p> <p>Remembering I largely count cyclists going one way, the true difference might be double.</p> <p>The disparity in numbers is even more dramatic now the clocks have changed. Yesterday on the canal there were just 2 pedestrians and ~30 riders when I travelled home during the evening peak.</p> <p>It's pretty nice and quiet. About a kilometre between peds in the morning on average... I can't imagine bothering with the main road over the towpath now.</p> <p>Probably be singing a different tune come spring, when the fast bike wants an airing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-123888 Wed, 04 Sep 2013 19:32:34 +0000 Dunny 123888@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"The real skill lies in getting it back on topic without anybody noticing."</p> <p>So....anyone seen any peds around?</p> <p>@Roibeard - a thread ceilidh! That made me laugh/snort. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-123878 Wed, 04 Sep 2013 17:26:18 +0000 Roibeard 123878@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Dunny - welcome to CCE. <em>Threads drifted will you wait.</em></p> <p>Some say hijacked, others subverted, but I'd settle for a thread ceilidh.</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-123876 Wed, 04 Sep 2013 16:58:27 +0000 kaputnik 123876@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Jeezo - this has swerved slightly from the original post...</em></p> <p>no one is at fault! it's inevitable. The real skill lies in getting it back on topic without anybody noticing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-123874 Wed, 04 Sep 2013 16:48:01 +0000 Dunny 123874@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Jeezo - this has swerved slightly from the original post...my fault I think. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-123865 Wed, 04 Sep 2013 15:05:23 +0000 Morningsider 123865@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>allebong - the "flying bike" sign in your photo really does mean "shared use", i.e. bikes and pedestrians have no "side" of the path. There is a similar blue and white sign with bike and pedestrian side by side, which means segregated path.</p> <p>I can't ever see anyone getting into trouble for nipping on to the pedestrian side of a segregated path for a short while, as long as you can reasonably say that you were doing so to avoid a collision. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11013&page=2#post-123864 Wed, 04 Sep 2013 14:35:06 +0000 kaputnik 123864@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"It's equivalent to asking why a motorist, stuck behind someone walking in the road, didn't just overtake by driving along the pavement" </p> <p>the use of the pavement by motor vehicles as an extension of the roadway is all too common in my experience.</p> <p>I actually don't think it's the equivalent at all, it's an arbitrary white line painted there by some council wonk, with exactly the same path and surface on either side. It's much more like crossing into the opposite carraigeway to pass, you aren't "meant" to drive on the wrong side of the road, but you have to do it if you want to pass.</p> <p>Based on my calculations, a family car (I picked a Ford Focus) "cruising" at 30mph has c. 61 times the kinetic energy of a bicycle (I used my own bike and weight) cruising on the cycle path at 15mph. Same cyclist would need to go at 85mph to have the same kinetic energy of a car at 20mph. The two are completely different scenarious when it comes to the risk they pose to other road users, it's probably why 100% of pedestrian deaths, and 99% of serious and minor injuries between 2004-2010 on Edinburgh's roads and pavements were not caused by bicycles.</p> <p>And don't get me started on poor path layouts that actually force you to cross the line unless you have some sort of magic powers of transmaterialisation. </p>