http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "20mph limit to go ahead across Edinburgh" en Sun, 17 May 2026 07:48:18 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-274476 Tue, 06 Feb 2018 10:11:21 +0000 steveo 274476@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I wish they would get rid of them, I also wish people could be trusted to behave themselves with out them or other forms of traffic handholding so until then I guess they're the least bad option.</p> <p>There are streets where the height of the speed bump is total overkill, Hutchison for example, any vehicle capable of achiving 20mph would be destroyed by attempting such a feat, only thing I'd go nearly so fast on that estate is a mtb, road bike has to brake nearly as far as a car. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-274473 Tue, 06 Feb 2018 09:54:31 +0000 the canuck 274473@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>to be fair, i recently lived near a village which had, at the time, a 30mph limit and a mix of built and natural speed restrictions (bends, narrow parts, a chicane at the entrance to the village meaning those entering didn't have right of way.)</p> <p>they'd also decided in install speed bumps, and the only way to go over those safely was at 5mph--bit of a shocker to anyone on their first visit. </p> <p>i have a hard time believing that was the best choice for traffic management. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-274355 Sun, 04 Feb 2018 18:24:09 +0000 neddie 274355@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe when *all* drivers obey *every* rule of the road, we can get rid of the bumps </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-274353 Sun, 04 Feb 2018 18:12:25 +0000 neddie 274353@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Coil springs can break for any reason. E.g. because they get stone chips on the paint &amp; then go rusty, weakening them. Nothing to do with how many bumps you’ve been over </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-274352 Sun, 04 Feb 2018 18:02:43 +0000 Frenchy 274352@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>A friend who has a small car and is a conservative driver has required coil springs replaced three times in the past five years.</em></p> <p>Strong evidence, I think, that they are, indeed, necessary. I wonder if the author's definition of "conservative" is the same as mine. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-274348 Sun, 04 Feb 2018 17:05:08 +0000 chdot 274348@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“</p> <p>We now have 20mph speed limits on most of our city roads, so are they still necessary?</p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/letter-the-council-must-get-rid-of-speed-bumps-in-edinburgh-1-4681165" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/letter-the-council-must-get-rid-of-speed-bumps-in-edinburgh-1-4681165</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-274244 Fri, 02 Feb 2018 17:16:52 +0000 ARobComp 274244@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Excellent!</p> <p>Thanks for rooting through that so we didn't have to! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-274224 Fri, 02 Feb 2018 14:19:40 +0000 Stickman 274224@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Watch Cllr Douglas get his a*se handed to him at 1hr 54 mins in:</p> <p><a href="https://edinburgh.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/319902" rel="nofollow">https://edinburgh.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/319902</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-274153 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 17:32:17 +0000 Stickman 274153@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ARobComp: esteemed Conservative Transport spokesperson Nick Cook is denying the validity of that article you link to. Apparently statistical analysis doesn't count if it's from a "lobby group" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-273926 Mon, 29 Jan 2018 16:25:10 +0000 ARobComp 273926@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Worth forwarding this article by a proper scientist to someone who is going to be debating captain conservative at some point? </p> <p><a href="https://medium.com/@lewisspurgin/20mph-zones-are-not-causing-more-deaths-37d41e30e297" rel="nofollow">https://medium.com/@lewisspurgin/20mph-zones-are-not-causing-more-deaths-37d41e30e297</a></p> <p>Basically the study by Bath and Somerset council was intensely flawed and badly designed. Quell surprise. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-273876 Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:08:09 +0000 acsimpson 273876@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Crowriver, caravan park you say. I wonder if he is aware of this report from <strike>Bristol</strike>Scarborough: <a href="https://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/crime/caravan-park-owner-on-drug-charges-1-5694900/amp">Caravan park owner on drug charges</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-273874 Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:01:28 +0000 acsimpson 273874@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks Frenchy, not easy to do from my phone. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-273871 Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:30:56 +0000 Frenchy 273871@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@acsimpson - She's been sent the details. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-273870 Mon, 29 Jan 2018 02:46:06 +0000 crowriver 273870@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cllr Scott Douglas' register of interests reveal that he is paid as Head of Broadcast + Online Media, Scottish Conservative MSP Group, The Scottish Parliament.</p> <p>So he must be skilled in the black arts of fake news. Hence his misleading and trollsome question no doubt. This is part of a Trumpian style attempt to paint blatant falsehood as the truth. Hey, if it worked for the Bath Conservatives, it can work for him, right? Why invent a new falsehood when you can simply recycle old ones to muddy the waters a bit?</p> <p>I note from the register he also owns 14% of the family business which Companies House reveals is engaged in property rentals and running a caravan park in Loanhead.</p> <p>Not so much trailer trash then but the son of the Laird of the trailer trash. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-273867 Mon, 29 Jan 2018 01:27:11 +0000 acsimpson 273867@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Stickman, have you forwarded the details to Lesley to ensure that she has them to hand when this weasel back to the burrow from whence he came? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-273758 Fri, 26 Jan 2018 21:52:18 +0000 gembo 273758@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Bax San, I recommend Golden Rum, e.g Havana Club Seven Year old ( though if you get into the genre there are others that are better from Nicaragua for example but the best I ever had in Diggers one Xmas where the very drunk barman was asked the following question - There isn't a full measure left in that bottle after my quarter Gill had come out, what you gonna do? Drunk Barman answers, give it to you for your Xmas. was a Havana Club 15 year old, £140 A bottle. The reason for suggesting is you can drink grape and then switch to this rum without too big a hangover.</p> <p>Armagnac I also feel not too harsh if mixed with claret on Burns Night. For example, no hangover to blame for my bad behaviour in Soderberg this morning at what we still call PY despite name change.</p> <p>I stick mostly to modest quenchers as Dickens would say these days. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-273757 Fri, 26 Jan 2018 21:40:05 +0000 minus six 273757@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>good stuff gembo, get stuck in</p> <p>this side i am hesitant to mix the grape with the grain </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-273755 Fri, 26 Jan 2018 21:24:23 +0000 gembo 273755@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Is that Councillor Scott Douglas? Did he use this photo during election? And still amassed the necessary 1000? Votes to be elected? Please see also Councillor Gloyer. Please see also my comments on the photo @unhurt posted of a weasel. In other better news Villeneuve Wines have a Cote du Rhone Domaine de la Vielle Ferme de l'Eoune 2015 that is quite drinkable, if you just been paid </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-273752 Fri, 26 Jan 2018 21:18:04 +0000 minus six 273752@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><img src="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/images/Scott_Douglas__a__Ward_6_CorstorphineMurrayfield__Con__2.JPG"></p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/councillors/23/scott_douglas">upstanding</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=8#post-273749 Fri, 26 Jan 2018 20:52:08 +0000 chdot 273749@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Councillor Scott Douglas,has Let himself down badly there"</p> <p>Really, what was his high point? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=7#post-273748 Fri, 26 Jan 2018 20:49:33 +0000 gembo 273748@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Councillor Scott Douglas,has Let himself down badly there </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=7#post-273721 Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:57:12 +0000 Stickman 273721@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Question from Conservative councillor Scott Douglas for next week's council meeting:</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/56007/item_59_-_by_councillor_douglas_-_20mph_scheme" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/56007/item_59_-_by_councillor_douglas_-_20mph_scheme</a></p> <p>"<em>Is the Transport Convener aware of the reports regarding the 20mph scheme that had been introduced in Bath and North East Somerset, where one year on there has been an increase the number of people killed or seriously injured in seven out of the thirteen zones where 20mph was now the standard speed limit?</em>"</p> <p>Hopefully the response will be "if the Conservatives spent less time trying to appeal to EEN commenters and more time looking at evidence then they would know that the Bath report has already been thoroughly debunked and its conclusions shown to be inaccurate."</p> <p><a href="http://www.20splenty.org/banes-report" rel="nofollow">http://www.20splenty.org/banes-report</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=7#post-273594 Thu, 25 Jan 2018 10:48:19 +0000 unhurt 273594@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Loneliness in any social animal seems to be devastating. (See e.g. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park">interesting addiction study on rats kept in solitary</a>.) (Don't ask me about my feelings re: solitary confinement in prison (torture, basically).) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=7#post-273592 Thu, 25 Jan 2018 10:36:34 +0000 I were right about that saddle 273592@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Loneliness is no joke re: health outcomes.</em></p> <p>This. But also loneliness is no joke in just being a human being. To feel lonely is to feel inhuman. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=7#post-273590 Thu, 25 Jan 2018 10:30:30 +0000 unhurt 273590@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@crowriver:</p> <p><a href="http://www.streetparty.org.uk/traffic/community-research.aspx">actually...</a> (this is re: weight of traffic rather than speed per se, but very likely it will have an impact - plus the danger of traffic seems to be a fairly big factor in this effect).</p> <p>Can't find article right now, but there was, I think, a US bit of work that found similar re: the number of social interactions on otherwise similar residential streets.</p> <p>Loneliness is no joke re: health outcomes. Human beings are intensely social creatures: this is not a "squishy feeling" that can be ignored. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=7#post-273586 Thu, 25 Jan 2018 09:43:24 +0000 I were right about that saddle 273586@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Councillor MacInnes walks into haymaker from Councillor Cook shock.</p> <p>Perhaps they'll patch up their differences to install the anti-loneliness gyratory? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=7#post-273585 Thu, 25 Jan 2018 09:29:49 +0000 chdot 273585@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15896177.Council_s_claim_20mph_roll_out_will_combat_loneliness_branded__ridiculous_/" rel="nofollow">http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15896177.Council_s_claim_20mph_roll_out_will_combat_loneliness_branded__ridiculous_/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=7#post-273483 Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:27:43 +0000 crowriver 273483@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah, loneliness. The cause du jour. It must be combatted. Presumably 20mph is better for people's mental health too? Cures cancer perhaps?</p> <p>Why can't Cllr MacInnes just stick the actual. real benefits of lower speeds which are primarily about safety. There may be some benefits to congestion and pollution too as (in theory) traffic is progressing at a steady speed rather than constantly accelerating and decelerating. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=7#post-273467 Wed, 24 Jan 2018 10:33:55 +0000 rider73 273467@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>...is there any evidence current 20mph zones have<br /> <em>"encourage more people - especially young families - to walk and cycle; they also boost local communities and combat loneliness"</em> ???</p> <p>not sure i see a mass of cyclists and people out chatting to each other every time i enter and exit 20mph zones.</p> <p>just another sound-bite politicians and the like can quote when they are asked "what are they doing to promote active travel/active kids/obesity/street pollution/climate change" type question.</p> <p>apologies but i'm so very cynical about all politicians these days. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11016&page=7#post-273454 Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:06:36 +0000 I were right about that saddle 273454@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Councillor MacInnes is quoted thus;</p> <p><em>Calmer speeds not only improve safety and encourage more people - especially young families - to walk and cycle; they also boost local communities and combat loneliness</em></p> <p>Councillor Macinnes seems not to have been asked if gyratories have these same benign effects. </p>