http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Cycling Scotland Conference 2013 en Sun, 19 Apr 2026 19:00:16 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170&page=2#post-132218 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 23:03:27 +0000 chdot 132218@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Long post - worth reading even though it doesn't mention Edinburgh!</p> <p>"<br /> KB: .....yes, I think we can reach the target by 2020.</p> <p>It was later at coffee break, after a few people commenting to me that Keith really reacted in a very 'strange way' to my question, almost as if he was annoyed.....I headed off to the loo. It was on this journey that someone patted me on the back smiling...</p> <p>Did you hear what he said there?</p> <p>I hadn't. I hadn't noticed that he had accidental mentioned the word target, instead of vision or ambition. It seems that even Keith is getting confused.... </p> <p>...</p> <p>Andrew Gilligan gave an excellent talk, but as he pointed out, it was very easy for him to do that, considering he had a budget of nearly £1bn to spend on cycling in London! (That would keep us going for 10 years!) Most importantly though he mentioned people. He mentioned that cycle infrastructure was not for cyclists, it was for everyone.</p> <p>Absolutely!</p> <p>London has got it and I can see a bright future for cycling in London. Yes, Andrew did mention that it wouldn't be perfect and that some expectations wouldn't be met....it wouldn't be Amsterdam.... However, they are a million miles and nearly a billion pounds away from the situation in Scotland. I did love this comment he made:</p> <p>Doing something badly is not an option.</p> <p>Alison Johnstone then gave a speech which Jon Snow described as 'the most inspiring speech he had heard from a politician....EVER!' It was an excellent speech. There can be no doubt, Alison gets it. Yes, Alison is a green MSP, she is bound to be pro-active travel. However, it goes beyond that. Alison really does gets it. She gets that cycling isn't just an environmental issue, she knows that it answers big issues in health and wealth as well. We need more politicians like Alison in all of the political parties.</p> <p>...</p> <p><em>Cycle infrastructure in Glasgow is already very strong....</em></p> <p>...</p> <p>Overall, I left the day feeling, not dejected, the fact that so many were there was good in itself, but I certainly didn't feel inspired.</p> <p>The mountain that we have to climb is still there. Someone has built a base camp, which is nice, but otherwise the peak looks as far as always. Rest assure though, this certainly doesn't mean we should pack up and go home. Far from it. In fact we have to shout louder and and we need more people shouting.</p> <p>Perhaps, I need to annoy Keith Brown just a little bit more....</p> <p>"</p> <p>And the rest -</p> <p><a href="http://www.magnatom.net/2013/11/cycling-scotland-conference-thoughts.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.magnatom.net/2013/11/cycling-scotland-conference-thoughts.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170&page=2#post-132208 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:48:48 +0000 chdot 132208@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> @magnatom: The Cycling Scotland Conference: Thoughts <a href="http://t.co/bdHVJJ9JIZ" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/bdHVJJ9JIZ</a> Just a tad underwhelmed.</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170&page=2#post-132073 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:47:26 +0000 chdot 132073@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"And aimed ( at least in part) at sport cyclists"</p> <p>Some of whom cycle commute too. </p> <p>Whether PfS is an irrelevance, distraction, good idea or gateway drug can be debated (without much chance of a resolution). </p> <p>KB cycling more <em>ought</em> to be a good thing. </p> <p>'We' want more people cycling more - whenever, wherever, whyever - but the Transport Minister should be paying more attention to the cycling as transport bit. </p> <p>Cycling between two central belt cities once a year doesn't really count (especially if there and back aren't cycled!!) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170&page=2#post-132070 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:37:00 +0000 SRD 132070@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Re yes. Taking up. </p> <p>If it's not sport cycling then it's at least leisure cycling. </p> <p>And aimed ( at least in part) at sport cyclists. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170&page=2#post-132063 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:11:50 +0000 PS 132063@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Once upon a time there was a notion that restricting 'demand' for travel was a good idea.</em></p> <p>This is still the case for rail (peak time pricing). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170&page=2#post-132044 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:33:15 +0000 fimm 132044@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@SRD Do you mean "taking up sport cycling"? Pedal for Scotland isn't sport cycling... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170&page=2#post-132042 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:29:31 +0000 SRD 132042@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If commuting is his target then why is he raking up sport cycling? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170&page=2#post-132041 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:14:01 +0000 chdot 132041@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was going to say 'I presume it will end in Glasgow for 2014 because of CG'. </p> <p>But -</p> <p><a href="http://www.pedalforscotland.org/register.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.pedalforscotland.org/register.aspx</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170&page=2#post-132040 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 09:01:46 +0000 wingpig 132040@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wonder if he'll come out of it saying "at no point did I feel at risk on the roads or threatened by motor traffic" or similar, P4S not being representative of daily transportation. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170&page=2#post-132038 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:31:27 +0000 gembo 132038@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Lonely or cycling against the flow? Unlike in many other aspects of life, if he went east west and 7000 were going west east, I think he would spot a mistake in his policy and change direction? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-132036 Mon, 11 Nov 2013 01:35:47 +0000 Focus 132036@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Keith Brown MSP, ... promised that in 2014 he will attempt to cycle the whole 50 miles of Pedal for Scotland from <strong>Edinburgh to Glasgow</strong>.</em>"</p> <p>He might want to try it in the opposite direction, otherwise he might find himself a bit lonely! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-132028 Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:43:59 +0000 chdot 132028@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Northern Line commuters urged to walk or cycle</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24888358" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24888358</a> </p> <p>"don't seem to have made that connection"</p> <p>Except that PT capacity isn't as stretched anywhere in Scotland the way it is in London. </p> <p>Once upon a time there was a notion that restricting 'demand' for travel was a good idea. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-132027 Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:36:53 +0000 Tulyar 132027@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Andrew Gilligan also noted that big problem in London is growing peak demand for travel and it is faster &amp; cheaper to satisfy that growth with cycling as mode, than build a bigger station/longer train/run more buses, which will only be needed for a very short amount of time on a weekday.</p> <p>Barclays bikes have 'revenue' consideration from the reduced cost pof having to provide more space on stations and train capacity - basically a cheaper way to remove the straw that breaks the camel's back for the Tube &amp; Bus networks at peak times.</p> <p>KB and pretty much most of the establishment don't seem to have made that connection. There are many in their 20's &amp; 30's who have made a clear decision not to bother with learning to drive, let alone aspire to owning a car, they are slowly being joined by institutions where the actual cost savings from not providing for the car are so massive that it becomes a no-brainer to give discounted or free use of buses, bikes and other modes of transport. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-132004 Sun, 10 Nov 2013 15:41:02 +0000 chdot 132004@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Keith Brown MSP, Minister for Transport and Veterans, The Scottish Government talked much about partnership working and progress across Scotland. He promised that in 2014 he will attempt to cycle the whole 50 miles of Pedal for Scotland from Edinburgh to Glasgow. He told us that investment in cycling is at a Scottish high. He outlined the updates in the Cycle Action Plan for Scotland (2013), commended the Annual Cycling Summit. He explained that transport infrastructure in Scotland lags behind for road transport and cars. He outlined the necessity for the continual big projects such as the New Forth Crossing, and A9 dualling to maintain and upkeep transport infrastructure. He was planning a vision for active travel.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.ctc.org.uk/blog/olivercw/jon-snow-ctc-president-and-newscaster-chairs-cycling-scotland-conference" rel="nofollow">http://www.ctc.org.uk/blog/olivercw/jon-snow-ctc-president-and-newscaster-chairs-cycling-scotland-conference</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131962 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 16:50:58 +0000 chdot 131962@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>For some people having a car/driving is part of <em>their</em> quality of life - esp when comparing the alternative (no transport/mobility). </p> <p>Even for people <em>wanting</em> to cycle <em>improved</em> 'quality of life' isn't really on the horizon under present (and apparent future) circumstances. </p> <p>I wasn't at yesterday's conference, so I only have media (Twitter, Scotsman, GH) versions so far. </p> <p>On the face of it KB said a lot of 'the right things' but is deluded (or just devious) if he thinks LAs will do what's necessary - even the ones (inc CEC) that are doing some good stuff. </p> <p>More money and a counter to the car culture are what is required. BUT. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131960 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 16:40:30 +0000 chdot 131960@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"We need to stop talking just about 'cycling' and start talking about quality of life"</p> <p>Yep. </p> <p>Though "quality of life" isn't <em>quite</em> the right term. </p> <p>(Don't know what is.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131959 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 16:32:17 +0000 sallyhinch 131959@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How it could have been <a href="http://www.cycling-embassy.org.uk/blog/2013/11/09/when-newcastle-went-dutch-for-a-day" rel="nofollow">http://www.cycling-embassy.org.uk/blog/2013/11/09/when-newcastle-went-dutch-for-a-day</a></p> <p>- We need to stop talking just about 'cycling' and start talking about quality of life </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131953 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 14:55:04 +0000 chdot 131953@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/comment/columnists/wheels-of-change-for-cyclists-are-travelling-slowly.22639996" rel="nofollow">http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/comment/columnists/wheels-of-change-for-cyclists-are-travelling-slowly.22639996</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131922 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 08:42:58 +0000 chdot 131922@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Also in attendance was ­Transport Minister Keith Brown, who said: "Cycling is firmly on this Scottish Government's agenda and investment is at a record high.</p> <p>"However, I believe we can and must all do more. Over the past year I have had numerous meetings with key stakeholders to discuss what interventions will move us forward on cycling.</p> <p>"Community links and safe routes to school, as well as ­education and training, are vital if we are to realise our shared 10% vision for cycling and for a healthier nation."</p> <p>Mr Brown said he wanted local authorities to be ambitious, bold and innovative in their approaches to cycling, "to come up with exemplar projects which can really make a difference".</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport/pedal-power-councils-praised-for-getting-people-on-their-bikes.22639984" rel="nofollow">http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport/pedal-power-councils-praised-for-getting-people-on-their-bikes.22639984</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131873 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:12:06 +0000 chdot 131873@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>Commuters ‘priority for boosting Scots cyclists’</p> <p>...</p> <p>"increasing the number of people cycling would also be part of the next ScotRail franchise from 2015."</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11581#post-131872" rel="nofollow">http://www.citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11581#post-131872</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131826 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 12:50:23 +0000 chdot 131826@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> John Lauder (@John_Lauder) tweeted at 11:36am - 8 Nov 13: </p> <p>#CycleScotConf @AlisonJohnstone power of social media and groups like @POPScotland can further change #sustrans (<a href="https://twitter.com/John_Lauder/status/398775910893367296" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/John_Lauder/status/398775910893367296</a>) </p> <p>"<br /> ... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131825 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 12:42:12 +0000 chdot 131825@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Cycling Scotland (@CyclingScotland) tweeted at 11:40am - 8 Nov 13: </p> <p>@AlisonJohnstone making greater use of the £12bn health budget to promote cycling makes sense as preventative spend #CycleScotConf </p> <p>(<a href="https://twitter.com/CyclingScotland/status/398776926191771648" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/CyclingScotland/status/398776926191771648</a>) </p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131824 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 12:34:02 +0000 chdot 131824@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> George Callaghan (@CallyFK1) tweeted at 11:05am - 8 Nov 13: </p> <p>10% by 2020 achieveable apparently... #CycleScotConf </p> <p>(<a href="https://twitter.com/CallyFK1/status/398768133223481344" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/CallyFK1/status/398768133223481344</a>) </p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131822 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 12:27:24 +0000 chdot 131822@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Cycling Scotland (@CyclingScotland) tweeted at 10:53am - 8 Nov 13: </p> <p>Hackney Council uses "filtered permeability" (i.e a bollard) resulting in huge success in increasing cycling levels #CycleScotConf (<a href="https://twitter.com/CyclingScotland/status/398765246133055488" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/CyclingScotland/status/398765246133055488</a>) </p> <p>"<br /> "</p> <p>Cycling Scotland (@CyclingScotland) tweeted at 10:57am - 8 Nov 13: </p> <p>Andrew Gilligan suggests cycling safety discussions in media can make cycling seem more dangerous than it really is #CycleScotConf (<a href="https://twitter.com/CyclingScotland/status/398766229772849152" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/CyclingScotland/status/398766229772849152</a>) </p> <p>"</p> <p>"</p> <p>GetAbout (@get_about) tweeted at 11:05am - 8 Nov 13: </p> <p>#CycleScotConf minister we must spend several £Bn on new roads but active travel must be built in with them (<a href="https://twitter.com/get_about/status/398768110775599104" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/get_about/status/398768110775599104</a>) </p> <p>"<br /> "<br /> Suzanne Forup (@backonmybike) tweeted at 11:06am - 8 Nov 13: </p> <p>The dashing @magnatom asks @KeithBrownMSP if 10% vision for cycling journeys will be met... ;-) #CycleScotConf (<a href="https://twitter.com/backonmybike/status/398768388522381312" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/backonmybike/status/398768388522381312</a>) </p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131813 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:59:50 +0000 chdot 131813@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> John Lauder (@John_Lauder) tweeted at 10:55am - 8 Nov 13: </p> <p>#CycleScotConf Andrew Gilligan: plans for #London ambitious &amp; pragmatic; emphasis on quality infrastructure. Interesting #sustrans </p> <p>(<a href="https://twitter.com/John_Lauder/status/398765652628221952" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/John_Lauder/status/398765652628221952</a>) </p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131812 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:57:23 +0000 chdot 131812@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Free Wheel North (@freewheel_north) tweeted at 10:50am - 8 Nov 13: </p> <p>#cycling is a very cheap way of delivering transport in #London says Andrew Gilligan. So lets do it in #Glasgow #CycleScotConf </p> <p>(<a href="https://twitter.com/freewheel_north/status/398764404730503168" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/freewheel_north/status/398764404730503168</a>) </p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131810 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:49:47 +0000 chdot 131810@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> GetAbout (@get_about) tweeted at 10:47am - 8 Nov 13: </p> <p>#CycleScotConf London moving towards a post car city Kensington and Chelsea richest in Europe have 44% household car ownership ! </p> <p>(<a href="https://twitter.com/get_about/status/398763798452260864" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/get_about/status/398763798452260864</a>) </p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131808 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:46:00 +0000 chdot 131808@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Cycling Scotland (@CyclingScotland) tweeted at 10:43am - 8 Nov 13: </p> <p>Helping cycling will not just help cyclists it will benefit everyone: Andrew Gilligan at #CycleScotConf </p> <p>(<a href="https://twitter.com/CyclingScotland/status/398762712349810688" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/CyclingScotland/status/398762712349810688</a>) </p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131803 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:36:38 +0000 chdot 131803@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/search/?q=%23CycleScotConf&amp;s=hash" rel="nofollow">https://mobile.twitter.com/search/?q=%23CycleScotConf&amp;s=hash</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11170#post-131802 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:31:52 +0000 chdot 131802@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> @CllrJimOrr: @FMcAveety &amp; @KeithBrownMSP intro #CycleScotConf. Great praise 4 Edinburgh 4 cycling policy leadership, Leith Walk investment &amp; 20mph zones.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/cllrjimorr/status/398757072944513024" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/cllrjimorr/status/398757072944513024</a> </p>