http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Apparently we're doing it all wrong... en Mon, 01 Jun 2026 09:20:15 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126849 Thu, 03 Oct 2013 08:37:35 +0000 crowriver 126849@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I suppose that is consistent at least. Cllr Orr must have an instinct that the folk who voted for him think this way too, otherwise he'd soon change his tune. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126848 Thu, 03 Oct 2013 08:13:50 +0000 SRD 126848@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@crowriver, no idea what he has turned to the Scotsman now, but he has expressed this same idea/argument to me and others. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126843 Thu, 03 Oct 2013 00:27:21 +0000 Instography 126843@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>When the roads are not a race track and I don't have to wonder if I'll make it from Queen Street to Haymarket alive then he can consider it job done. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126830 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 21:02:53 +0000 crowriver 126830@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What I find extraordinary is that he has gone to the <em>EEN</em> to air these views. I'm guessing then that this not aimed at 'us', rather it is aimed at frothing EEN readers and petrolheads who will lap up this public chastisement of cycle campaigners: music to their ears! In this respect it resembles the Nice Way Code in that it purported to be addressing cyclists, but in fact was playing to motorist's (irrational) prejudices.</p> <p>Certainly smacks of "these ungrateful cyclists, how dare they?" Very disappointing from the one person on the Council who is supposed to be championing cycling. It's in his job title for goodness' sake! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126813 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:56:43 +0000 Roibeard 126813@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Stop complaining and be grateful for what you get, or you won't get any more.</p> <p>Sorry Jim, if we tell politicians what a marvelous job has been done; "quality", "visionary" and the like, when it isn't anything of the sort, then they might actually think they've done a good job.</p> <p>"Stop de kindermoord" was such a positive influence on the Netherlands, wasn't it?</p> <p>Dear Cyclists, stop being mean, why aren't you Nice when we've asked you to be Nice?</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126746 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 12:29:55 +0000 DaveC 126746@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I find it fun to look through the commentors and guess who on here is who on there. I may not be 100% correct but detecting posters on here through traits on there is fun! :O) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126739 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:37:13 +0000 chdot 126739@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So not inked on paper? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126738 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:33:24 +0000 SRD 126738@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I thought it was one of those 'Friends of the Scotsman' pieces? <a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/friends-of-the-scotsman-invitation-from-the-editor-1-2943334" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/friends-of-the-scotsman-invitation-from-the-editor-1-2943334</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126737 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:32:14 +0000 cb 126737@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm sure the picture of the POP cyclist heading down the wrong side of the high street with feet off the pedals was chosen deliberately. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126736 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:30:58 +0000 Morningsider 126736@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If politicians love positive campaigning so much - how come they almost never do it themselves, e.g. latest headlines on party websites:</p> <p>SNP "Cameron expects Scots to buy a pig and a poke"</p> <p>Scottish Labour "It's one year until Scotland decides - here's 3 ways the SNP campaign is confused"</p> <p>Scottish Tories "Salmond reverts to bunker mentality"</p> <p>Obviously, there are hundreds of other examples from these, and other, parties. </p> <p>I appreciate that cyclists can seem a pretty unlovable bunch at times - our persistance, general inability to be fobbed off, techno and campaign literacy are annoying to politicians used to less tenaceous types. They have to remember - you are talking about people who cycle on Scottish roads, at night, during the dead of winter - Nothing. Will Stop. Us. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126734 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:15:37 +0000 chdot 126734@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anyone seen that article in print?</p> <p>Is it billed as "Opinion" or?</p> <p>Obviously he is right and wrong and wrong. </p> <p>Yes good to have a positive view of possibilities. </p> <p>Wrong to defend NWC - but understandable considering his 'best mate' he went abroad with. </p> <p>Wrong to (apparently) target a relatively small number of 'noisy' people in this way. </p> <p>That's just my opinion - in public - of course... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126731 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:00:30 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 126731@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>It's just that he doesn't realise that it wasn't the quirky tone that angered people who cycle.</em>"</p> <p>This.</p> <p>The few comments so far are beautiful - including that rgeat line of cyclists should behave properly before we spend any more money on them. Interesting how that doesn't apply to drivers... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126721 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 10:31:26 +0000 rust 126721@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"The quirky tone might not have appealed to everyone, but an awful lot of cyclists got themselves very wound up by this"</em></p> <p>It's just that he doesn't realise that it wasn't the quirky tone that angered people who cycle. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126720 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 10:30:44 +0000 ARobComp 126720@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A direct quote from old jimmy to me:<br /> " I would<br /> much rather that cycling stakeholders and pressure groups expended their<br /> energy campaigning for some sort of "strict liability" and more 20mph<br /> zones.</p> <p>Positive campaigning almost always pays more dividends. I know that<br /> from politics."</p> <p>That's right. He knows that. From Politics. Politics. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126719 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 10:27:10 +0000 Min 126719@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>We are supposed to just shut up and take the abuse. Surely you know this by now? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126718 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 10:25:06 +0000 SRD 126718@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A more charitable reading might be that more senior politicians have been giving him grief about how ungrateful we are, and his response to this is to lecture us. </p> <p>Should we be grateful for receiving this wisdom? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126717 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 10:22:16 +0000 Darkerside 126717@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Seems like a longwinded way of saying 'if I appear to be doing anything which could be vaguely construed as supporting cycling, I should be given your wholehearted support'.</p> <p>Actually Jim, we're generally a bit smarter than that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11262#post-126716 Wed, 02 Oct 2013 10:14:37 +0000 SRD 126716@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Or so jim Orr thinks: </p> <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/cycling-can-oil-the-wheels-of-social-change-1-3120735" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/cycling-can-oil-the-wheels-of-social-change-1-3120735</a></p> <p>I thought politicians were supposed to listen to and represent their constituents? </p>