http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: NEPN, Craigleith Junction upgrade. Have your say en Wed, 13 May 2026 05:37:37 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=8#post-314337 Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:17:10 +0000 steveo 314337@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As kaputnik pointed out on twitter a bit of cold fill tarmac the council is fond off actually would work here and after three+ weeks they've filled in the gaps with cold fill tarmac... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=8#post-314170 Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:51:07 +0000 EdinburghCycleCam 314170@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Cllr Chas Booth has now also reported it: <a href="https://twitter.com/CllrChasBooth/status/1172066934713720833" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/CllrChasBooth/status/1172066934713720833</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=8#post-314169 Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:02:27 +0000 threefromleith 314169@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Sustrans replied to Tweets from me and others yesterday and said that they'd "followed this up directly with contacts at the Council to action as a matter of urgency".</p> <p>Let's just see then, shall we? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=8#post-314140 Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:09:33 +0000 Morningsider 314140@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Anyone tweeting or complaining about this might want to use the following wording, or something like it.</p> <p>There is Category 1 defect in the surface of the Blackhall cycle path at the five-ways junction - caused by bricks missing from speed bumps. There is a high probability of falls/crashes, indeed several cyclists have already reported falls/near misses, and a high risk of serious injury to cyclists. The Edinburgh Road Asset Management Plan requires this to be fixed, or made safe, within 24 hours of being reported.</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/56286/item_75_-_road_asset_management_plan_ramp">Edinburgh Road Asset Management Plan</a> - see Section 5 (no page numbers!)<br /> <a href="http://www.ukroadsliaisongroup.org/download.cfm/docid/C7214A5B-66E1-4994-AA7FBAC360DC5CC7">How to categorise the risk caused by a road defect</a> (pages 114-116), plus lots (lots) more about road maintenance. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=8#post-314139 Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:35:00 +0000 steveo 314139@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Tweeted the council again this afternoon and raised another fix my street, I don't think they're terribly interested until some one is injured. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=8#post-314043 Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:15:37 +0000 threefromleith 314043@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not having been on the bike for a while, and not having seen the warning in this thread, I hit the missing-brick hole this morning.</p> <p>It was still dark, and I was watching a woman with a dog to see where she was going to step, so didn't see it.</p> <p>Thankfully I didn't quite come off and the front wheel seems alright, but it was a heck of a jolt on a road bike with very thin tyres.</p> <p>I've tweeted edinhelp about it too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=8#post-314034 Tue, 10 Sep 2019 12:24:04 +0000 NiallA 314034@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I tweeted edinhelp on Sunday asking this to be treated as an emergency repair. Not entirely surprised nothing has happened. </p> <p>Have just tried again. </p> <p>If anyone's passing that way, but has the opportunity to liberate a traffic cone or two from somewhere, that might help to avoid any accidents? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=8#post-314009 Tue, 10 Sep 2019 09:46:30 +0000 steveo 314009@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Still bust, nearly went down the gap last night. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=8#post-313356 Fri, 30 Aug 2019 13:12:30 +0000 LivM 313356@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I tweeted to @edinhelp today to report that some of the bricks on speed bump at the north side of the Craigleith junction on the NEPN have gone missing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=8#post-186442 Tue, 21 Apr 2015 09:58:06 +0000 DaveC 186442@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This junction is getting a bad reputation as the pea size gravel on the north side is always spread across the whole width of the junction!</p> <p>David Crampton@DaveCrampton · 39 mins39 minutes ago </p> <p>@north_team Craigleith has had a problem of late with the pea gravel being spread across the whole path. </p> <p>So I tweeted this, with pictures. </p> <p> @north_team Craigleith has had a problem of late with the pea gravel being spread across the whole path.</p> <p>Please reweet. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=8#post-164241 Thu, 04 Sep 2014 09:10:50 +0000 zesty 164241@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Was reading the last couple of posts last night before I left work and couldnt think of any close calls I'd had at the junction.</p> <p>Typically, last night I had one, I was coming on from Craigleith heading to Davidson Mains and just about got taken out by a roadie who zipped through the juction going North to South without looking.</p> <p>The junction was pretty busy with about 6 or 7 riders all converging at once from all directions, but this idiot obviously didnt care and wanted to get home quick ! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=8#post-164232 Wed, 03 Sep 2014 23:16:16 +0000 le_soigneur 164232@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I cut back the scrub at Craigleith junction. I asked CEC to do the verges, and they were reluctant to do it completely, only wanted to know the bad spots...<br /> <em>@north_team When are verges on NEPN getting trimmed pls? Weeds/briars causing narrowing, endangering runners/walker/s/cyclists. #budgetCuts?<br /> @L_soigneur are there any specific locations? Thanks, EL<br /> @north_team All the way from Roseburn to Crewe Toll, then from Ainslie Park to Lindsay St?<br /> @north_team<br /> @L_soigneur will find out for you, thanks EL</em><br /> Previous years they did the whole route twice, once early in growing season and once late on. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=8#post-164166 Wed, 03 Sep 2014 13:35:21 +0000 threefromleith 164166@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"There are rougher bits on the path than the rumble strips (the infilled trench for the lamp column at the foot of the slope up to Ravelston Dykes is an example)."</p> <p>That bit has annoyed me for years. I guess it's being left in that state as it does make you slow down when you're heading Leithwards, thus making the entry to the path from those coming down the slope a little less hazardous.</p> <p>I'd like them to get rid of the vegetation around the slope so it was easier to check if anyone's coming down it as you approach their exit.</p> <p>I'd also like the vegetation removed around the junction to Wester Coates. It's very hard to see left and right as you come on to the NEPN there. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-164157 Wed, 03 Sep 2014 12:43:35 +0000 neddie 164157@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>+1 Dave:</p> <p><em>my main beef with it is that I can think of many better ways to spend untold thousands of pounds (even strictly limiting yourself to pedestrian safety, or whatever). It would probably buy a street's worth of speed bumps on a bad rat run for instance.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-164115 Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:07:09 +0000 chdot 164115@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Cutting back the vegetation further to give a better view in all directions at the junction would help also."</p> <p>I thought the vegetation <em>had</em> been cut back - and some removed altogether. </p> <p>There is a 'balance' between 'poor sightlines' and 'so good it might encourage speeding'. </p> <p>(Not saying CEC has got it right and nothing needs doing - don't know.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-164112 Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:01:49 +0000 kaputnik 164112@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The junction changes aren't the end of the world. There are rougher bits on the path than the rumble strips (the infilled trench for the lamp column at the foot of the slope up to Ravelston Dykes is an example).</p> <p>I agree entirely with Dave though that it just seems like such a waste of money when there are other things crying out to be done which really might improve safety and reduce path conflict.</p> <p>Cutting back the vegetation further to give a better view in all directions at the junction would help also. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-164085 Tue, 02 Sep 2014 22:55:01 +0000 Dave 164085@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I guess my main beef with it is that I can think of many better ways to spend untold thousands of pounds (even strictly limiting yourself to pedestrian safety, or whatever). It would probably buy a street's worth of speed bumps on a bad rat run for instance.</p> <p>As an actual thing, now that it's obvious that the bricks don't stick out 2" from the ground as it first appeared (at least until the first ones get pulled out and chucked around by local youth), I don't really care. I'm riding on 23mm tyres at the moment and don't have to slow down at all with no ill effect on the bike, so whatever.</p> <p>The pea gravel is a bit annoying but not if you're riding straight through. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-164076 Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:12:10 +0000 HankChief 164076@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My difficulty with the bricks is that on the Roseburn leg they are positioned in a dark gloomy spot equal distance between the streetlights. It has caught me out when I've gone along there half asleep in the dark. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-164072 Tue, 02 Sep 2014 20:50:27 +0000 stiltskin 164072@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>They could have achieved the same effect but without using the bricks. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-164071 Tue, 02 Sep 2014 20:48:18 +0000 Kenny 164071@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I suspect this is going to be a contentious post.</p> <p>I've ridden through the "new" Craigleith junction twice daily for a number of weeks now, and I think the changes have worked. And by "worked", you have to first know (or assume) the intended aim.</p> <p>I suspect the aim was to reduce conflict and/or prevent or lower the number of accidents. If that wasn't the aim, then the rest of this post is void.</p> <p>Whenever I come to the junction, pretty much everyone now gives way to each other. The people going north/south all slow down and give way, whereas the people going east/west, who have right of way, tend to also give way too, thereby meaning I've had scenarios where everyone is being too polite and no-one is moving. For all of 2 seconds, and then we carry on our way with a chuckle.</p> <p>I've not seen anyone fly north/south at a speed where they couldn't stop if there was someone going east/west.</p> <p>Are there any down sides? Well of course. The bricks are mildly annoying. In so much as they irritate me 3 seconds before I get to them, and then 3 seconds after I've gone over them I've forgotten about them again.</p> <p>Is the inconvenience of bumping over the bricks justified by the lack of danger at the junction? I'd say yes.</p> <p>So, all in all, I think it's been a success. And no, I'm not trolling. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-158718 Fri, 04 Jul 2014 13:12:38 +0000 kaputnik 158718@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think the brick has been put in the "wrong way" i.e. thinner side up hence it is standing proud. Assume it might need the hole cleared and a bit of malleting to get it to go in the right way.</p> <p>Would never have happened if the bricks had been grouted in rather than just relying on gravity. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-158717 Fri, 04 Jul 2014 13:04:19 +0000 threefromleith 158717@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I noticed this morning that someone has found the missing brick and popped it back into its hole. Still loose and sticking up 1/2" higher than the other bricks, so I suspect someone will remove it again soon.</p> <p>(Has anyone reported the missing or loose brick to the council, btw?) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-158602 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 10:35:49 +0000 kaputnik 158602@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Myself and 2 other cyclists drafted a cooncil mower all the way from Boswall to just before the red bridge this morning, couldn't get past as he was driving down the middle of the path and had a fairly wide cutting blade on the front, and had his ear defenders on so couldn't hear bells. He eventually did a shoulder check and waved us past. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-158578 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 22:46:12 +0000 Rosie 158578@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks for that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-158576 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 22:40:10 +0000 chdot 158576@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>North Edinburgh Path Network. </p> <p>Generally the old railway lines and WoL path from Roseburn to Leith. </p> <p>So not just NCN. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-158575 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 22:35:32 +0000 Rosie 158575@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What does "NEPN" stand for? I call this NCN1. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-158505 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 10:29:49 +0000 chdot 158505@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Have the North Team ever left the verges this late"</p> <p>Was looking at the <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13084#post-158497">new 'path view'</a> this morning and noticed that the verges seemed a bit lush. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-158502 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 10:22:29 +0000 le_soigneur 158502@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A bit of guerrilla gardening in the dark last night sorted out the sightline weeds. </p> <p>Have the North Team ever left the verges this late, trying to get away with a single cut? #budgetCuts </p> <p> The pea gravel &amp; missing brick(s ;-) might be sorted by a guerrilla bag of postfix? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-158481 Tue, 01 Jul 2014 20:48:13 +0000 threefromleith 158481@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What fantastic workmanship! They've already had to relay the coloured surface, the pea-gravel has been spread across the path and now the brickwork has started disappearing. Money well spent *cough* </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11382&page=7#post-158478 Tue, 01 Jul 2014 19:22:32 +0000 LivM 158478@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The formerly loose brick on the Roseburn arm of the junction was completely missing this evening as I came past. </p>