http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: CYCLIST DOWN - Haymarket en Sun, 17 May 2026 13:56:31 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129733 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:08:53 +0000 sg37409 129733@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Are spokes or anyone campaigning for a "dead slow" speed limit for motor vehicles around the tracks ? 15 mph ?</p> <p>The tracks will stay as they are. Options to improve our lot are limited and include banning cyclists from the vicinity. I'd rather they got in quick with some postive options before some bright spark comes up with the solution </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129726 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:41:19 +0000 stiltskin 129726@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>&amp; not forgetting that it is easier to bunny hop while carrying a bit of speed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129715 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:12:29 +0000 kaputnik 129715@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Someone want to point me to the wherever it is written down that if I cross the tram tracks at 10mph the chance of falling or sliding out are in anyway reduced from the same maneouvre at 15mph or 20mph? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129713 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:06:16 +0000 kaputnik 129713@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>WC - stop reading the comments!</em></p> <p>No, read them if you wish - although I can't say it will do well for your mental or coronary wellbeing!</p> <p>Just puhlease, for the sake of our colelctive sanity, don't copy/paste them in here!</p> <p>I know they're awful and a load of cobblers, which is precisely why I refuse to read a single line below the foot of any EEN story. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129711 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:05:20 +0000 Stickman 129711@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"what is needed is for the cyclists to pay attention to the road ahead, taking account of the tram lines, and cycle at an appropriate speed and in the correct position on the carriageway so as not to put themselves at risk."</p> <p>Absolutely, good advice which I can't disagree with. </p> <p>Unfortunately there is *no* safe position on the carriageway to avoid the tramlines, no matter the speed. </p> <p>(And also, change the reference from cyclist to drivers and it's still good advice) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129706 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:58:17 +0000 Morningsider 129706@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>WC - stop reading the comments! They are simply Sirens trying to ground unwary humans on the rocks of stupidity. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129705 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:56:56 +0000 Baldcyclist 129705@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I navigate the tracks daily and have only crashed once.</em></p> <p>Ay least he admits to being a muppet too. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129704 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:55:37 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 129704@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>This is stupid. Cyclists are not being "forced" to do anything. As long as there are no parked vehicles at the stretch of road concerned, there is no need for cylclists to take on the rails at a dangerous angle at any point. If there are parked taxis, why not just dismount and walk along the pavement for a few yards? How hard can it be?!!</em>"</p> <p>Argh, more comments from people who haven't actually seen the bit of road!!! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129701 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:51:48 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 129701@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>All about angles of attack, this muppet gives it about 5%. You need to hit it at almost a 90% angle! </p> <p>Just sliding into the groove will obviously result in a crash. I navigate the tracks daily and have only crashed once. Which was entirely my fault.</em>"</p> <p>Riiiiiiight. I'd like to see this cyclist try to get through these tracks at a 90% (?) angle..... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129690 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:04:33 +0000 kaputnik 129690@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>we’d encourage cyclists to use the cycle lane</em></p> <p>People are falling BEFORE they get anywhere near the jughandle. How is this going to help? There is no cycle lane into the jughandle. Between the ASL at bottom of Morrison Street and the Jughandle you are on your own to try and pick a safe line. Clearly she hasn't even bothered to look at Chdots videos or the layout here.. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129682 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:46:13 +0000 tammytroot 129682@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Mmm, So slowing down (which won't make other road users even more impatient at all, will magically cure the angle that the road layout forces cyclists to take crossing the rails? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129680 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:44:09 +0000 chdot 129680@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I salute your GoogleFu!"</p> <p>Thanks I knew what/where I was looking for - </p> <p><a href="http://www.sculpture.org.uk/sculpture/472/fish-on-a-bicycle" rel="nofollow">http://www.sculpture.org.uk/sculpture/472/fish-on-a-bicycle</a></p> <p>Looks more like a lizard than a fish! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129678 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:34:02 +0000 Morningsider 129678@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good to see Cllr Hinds has this sorted:</p> <p>“We’re looking at ways to improve the situation as it’s important that cyclists have access to a safe line through the area. In the meantime, we’d encourage cyclists to use the cycle lane if possible and, if it’s blocked, proceed at a slower pace.”</p> <p>See - if those cyclists had just slowed down a bit, none of this would have happened. If cars were skidding off the road at Haymarket it would be closed until a safe solution to the problem had been found. Drivers would not be encouraged to slow down (or bunnyhop thier cars over the tram lines). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129677 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:34:01 +0000 Stickman 129677@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I salute your GoogleFu! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129676 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:32:47 +0000 chdot 129676@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/2artyreety70/5083507344"><img src="http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4108/5083507344_18057ab599_b.jpg"></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129675 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:28:51 +0000 Stickman 129675@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's all a conspiracy apparently - cyclists are out to get injured in order to claim compensation from the council. </p> <p>.... It's all a bit David Icke: it'll be cycling lizards next </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129668 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:11:44 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 129668@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>FAKE!!!!</p> <p>Oh, wait, not on YouTube or the EEN comments... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129667 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:09:21 +0000 chdot 129667@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/video-more-cyclists-fall-on-lethal-tram-tracks-1-3152608" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/video-more-cyclists-fall-on-lethal-tram-tracks-1-3152608</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129653 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:41:42 +0000 kaputnik 129653@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Don't forget that Road.cc is well populated by types whose main experience of cycling is in clubland and raceland and therefore assume everyone cycling to work/shops/school/swimmingpool/fullyloaded should be able to do emergency bunny hops to negotiate any obstructions. Their point of view on this might not be entirely objective.</p> <p>In fact until anyone has tried to ride that route in traffic, the dark, and the wet, their tuppence is worth more like a thruppeny. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387&page=2#post-129648 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:34:23 +0000 chdot 129648@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>He's already done it in the centre of Edinburgh -</p> <p><a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8161#post-81169" rel="nofollow">http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8161#post-81169</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387#post-129646 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:31:00 +0000 Coxy 129646@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A Danny MacAskill instructional video would be very good! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387#post-129644 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:25:53 +0000 algo 129644@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I agree - I can do that but I sure as hell can't bunny hop. I'd be worried about my back wheel sliding as in the video by chdot of the almost spill. </p> <p>I think we need a video of Danny MacAskill doing this section and put that on the EEN as an instructional video for the recommended way for everyday cyclists to get around this section of road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387#post-129641 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:07:40 +0000 Cyclingmollie 129641@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hoiking the front wheel up is not a bunny-hop. That's when you get both wheels off the ground and that's what would be needed to avoid slipping on these tracks as the video shows. It's a mountain biking skill. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387#post-129638 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:55:55 +0000 Smudge 129638@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Pretty much agree with all the above comments on the Road CC "expert" commentators (probably the same sort that look at the transmission on my Surly with horror and spend ages explaining in great detail how I can clean it to factory new in "only an hour or two" lol)</p> <p>That said, if they can bunny hop one of these: <a href="http://www.practicalcycles.com/userimages/Yuba-Mundo-Cargo-Bike%281189623%29.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.practicalcycles.com/userimages/Yuba-Mundo-Cargo-Bike%281189623%29.htm</a><br /> over the trambles lines, loaded, in the rain, during rush hour, then I'll buy the beers! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387#post-129637 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:52:43 +0000 steveo 129637@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Hopping is awfully close to hopeing for my liking, easy enough on the mtb but not a way to get around on the racer. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387#post-129636 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:46:11 +0000 amir 129636@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If you do rely on hopping, sometimes you are going to get it wrong. For me hopping is only an emergency get-out (and I am not great at it). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387#post-129633 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:41:33 +0000 fimm 129633@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And they can try hopping on my Brompton, which is an older model which doesn't allow the hinge at the back to be locked out...</p> <p>(yes, I know someone linked to an upgrade kit on here the other day. Currently my bike cannot be hopped. And to be quite honest, why should I have to learn to hop my bike? And it is one thing for a man to hop a lightweight road bike to which his feet are attached, and another for a woman on a heavy-laden town bike. Are they suggesting that SRD hops her tandem?)</p> <p>&lt;rant mode off&gt; and I haven't even been to the road.cc thread! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387#post-129632 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:39:54 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 129632@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>just makes me think they're all bullies. or idiots. or both</em>"</p> <p>Or, much as it pains me to say it, blokes topping up their testosterone by explaining loudly just how they are better than everyone else. Then again, it must be pretty tiring being perfect <em>all</em> the time. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387#post-129630 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:35:57 +0000 SRD 129630@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>i took another look at roadcc comments too ad like wc not impressed. </p> <p>'hop'? really? not something i can do, nor s'thing i want to try on a busy road with uneven surface. </p> <p>just makes me think they're all bullies. or idiots. or both. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11387#post-129629 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:33:19 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 129629@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Plenty commenters though (on Roaad.cc) saying that hopping your front wheel, or crossing at a less acute angle, is basic bike handling that everyone should know.</p> <p>These type of comments annoy me for a couple of reasons. Firstly, everyone has to start somewhere, you cannot assume that everyone who jumps on a bike is immediately aware of exactly how they should ride around every hazard. Some are hazards that we can do nothing about, but this leads onto the second point...</p> <p>The road design here basically forces a shallow angle on riders crossing the tram lines. They creep across and across and acroos, and at some point you have to make a decision to cross. Sometimes in the dark adn the wet with traffic around you. Personally I'd never comment on what someone should or shouldn't do on a particular bit of road unless I knew it - commenting from the comfort of the south of England having never set foot north of the border, let alone ridden this piece of nonsense, is just someone with a superiority complex feeding their own ego.</p> <p>And the people on there commenting that he wasn't ewaring hi-viz or a helmet... How would either have stopped him falling on tramlines? </p>