http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Fines for rogue cabbies to cut tram cycle crashes en Mon, 18 May 2026 23:41:57 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130414 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:14:34 +0000 Focus 130414@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Agree 100% </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130411 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 22:59:17 +0000 kaputnik 130411@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Focus, no you're entirely right. My point was that they (Network Rail) discounted the idea from day 1 rather than explore the possibilities. A southern access for the station was never considered when they were designing the new one. It wouldn't have taken <em>that</em> much effort to have the status of the road changed for what after all is Scotland's 4th busiest station. It shows an embarrassing lack of ambition. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130409 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 22:44:52 +0000 Focus 130409@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ <strong>kaputnik</strong></p> <p>I may be behind the times on this one as I haven't followed the station upgrade plans closely, but as I said elsewhere, Distillery Lane appears to be a private private road so unless that has been resolved there sadly won't be an option for access from that road. I'd suggested that a cycle route via a bridge (or tacked onto the side of the station's covered bridge) could lead directly to Haymarket yards, thus avoiding the taxi rank dangers and providing a near-90 degree crossing of the tracks at Haymarket Yards. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130407 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 22:34:41 +0000 kaputnik 130407@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It really does beggar belief that the huge new bridge has been constructed across the platforms, running all the way across to distillery lane, and the officialdom in charge decided it was too much effort to knock through the wall and arrange access from that side.</p> <p>I also note that the view of the frontage of the "old" station has no cycles and no trams, tramlines or trampoles. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130405 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 22:13:46 +0000 gembo 130405@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thanks morningsider, would seem to be just the tram then that goes to the new bit. I hope the new taxi ranks that have been mooted further away from the door mean the the bit outside the door is purely drop off and no pick up? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130403 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:45:34 +0000 Morningsider 130403@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>gembo - this should give you an idea of the new layout of Haymarket station:</p> <p><a href="http://www.haymarketstationredevelopment.com/gallery" rel="nofollow">http://www.haymarketstationredevelopment.com/gallery</a></p> <p>Graphics a bit shonky - but the roads outside the station aren't Network Rail's responsibility. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130399 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:32:56 +0000 gembo 130399@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I took a train from Haymarket this morning. I was a little early and on platform I noticed the new station will be next door to the old station. Not sure how that will affect the layout? As we were chatting yesterday, there used to be somewhere for motorists to drop off passengers, that does not exist anymore.</p> <p>Big mess.</p> <p>I will always detour where possible to avoid such chaos.</p> <p>when the trams actually also appear the drivers are going to have to be forced to obey the layout, including the taxi drivers. Else it will be gridlock.</p> <p>when I was a nipper I swam at Glenogle Baths and there was a woman there with one leg, she lost the other in a tram accident when she was a little girl. A fringe performer Jane Bom Bane wrote a song about her called The Edinburgh Mermaid. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130388 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:16:09 +0000 cycletrain 130388@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Following the London cyclists deaths inquest, I'd imagine that Council Officials may be sitting up and taking more notice.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130387 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:14:00 +0000 Min 130387@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Three spaces for taxis at Haymarket is absolutely ridiculous.</p> <p>Then again, This Is Edinburgh. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130385 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 18:02:34 +0000 kaputnik 130385@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-24712585">BBC News - Cyclists promised Edinburgh tram track solution</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130379 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:12:55 +0000 kaputnik 130379@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Are you sure she actually visited the same Haymarket? Right angles? Seriously?<br /> </em><br /> Relative to the line of travel, as determined by white lines painted on the road, as you cross the first (westbound) tramline heading west at Haymarket, the relative angle is 5 degrees. The second (eastbound) in 20 degrees. This is easily establishable from the TRO drawings, took me about 2 minutes.</p> <p>It's pretty much physically impossible to approach anything like 90 degrees, never mind even 40 degrees. The guidance from Edinburgh trams is that a safe crossing angle is no less than 60 degrees. That's some way off 5 and 20... Lesley and the rest of the council have their head in the clouds on this one. </p> <p>It's so blindingly obvious that this was always going to be an issue that one can't but think they decided to just ignore it anyway and see how it played out when unleashed on the populace. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130377 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:56:27 +0000 gibbo 130377@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>In fairness she's not actually saying that cyclists should cross at 90 degrees, just as close to 90 degrees as possible... </em></blockquote></p> <p>... or you might die...</p> <p>I'm joking about this to some extent, but that's because I have the luxury of not having to use these streets. (And I've decided that's my solution.)</p> <p>For people who commute and have the choice between these streets or a long detour, it's not funny. The risk is very real and the council's lack of responsibility is likely to lead to either a death or a very serious injury. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130374 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:54:05 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 130374@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>If people can't cycle over something as simple as a set of tram lines they need shot dead and their heart ripped out, this is my personal opinion as they are clearly retarded idiots</em>"</p> <p>Well that's a reasoned comment! ;) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130372 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:45:35 +0000 steveo 130372@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm not sure I'd like to take the responsibilty for the life of a councilor, as taht judge seems to suggest one should... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130371 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:44:41 +0000 Smudge 130371@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm qualified to instruct, I'll happily follow her through then critique her ride :-D </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130369 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:40:08 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 130369@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In fairness she's not actually saying that cyclists should cross at 90 degrees, just <em>as close</em> to 90 degrees <em>as possible</em>. If that happens to be ten degrees than so be it.</p> <p>Pah. Someone put a councillor on a bike through there! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130368 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:37:07 +0000 Snowy 130368@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>...following a visit to Haymarket by city transport convener Councillor Lesley Hinds on Thursday.<br /> She said: “"The most important message for cyclists is to cross the tracks as close to a right angle as possible..."</p> <p>Are you <em>sure </em>she actually visited the same Haymarket? Right angles? Seriously? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130367 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:36:40 +0000 wangi 130367@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Surely there are design criteria to engineer out such potential issues. As in why design in such a narrow angle of crossing in the first place... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130361 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:55:02 +0000 twq 130361@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Absolutely, this has clearly been an oversight, and the solution is to blame cyclists who don't follow guidelines that are impossible to follow. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130360 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:46:44 +0000 gibbo 130360@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>BTW, is it just me, or does anyone else read stuff like:</p> <p>"The most important message for cyclists is to cross the tracks as close to a right angle as possible" (L Hinds)</p> <p>and think the real issue is that the tracks are inherently dangerous, but the council is leaving it up to cyclists to deal with the danger, rather than fix it? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11476#post-130359 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:44:04 +0000 gibbo 130359@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, it's our old friends the taxi drivers, putting cyclists at risk as usual...</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/fines-for-rogue-cabbies-to-cut-tram-cycle-crashes-1-3161089">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/fines-for-rogue-cabbies-to-cut-tram-cycle-crashes-1-3161089</a> </p>