http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Just what 'we' need on the front page... en Sun, 17 May 2026 15:21:06 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548&page=2#post-131965 Sat, 09 Nov 2013 17:56:16 +0000 custard 131965@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24860719" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24860719</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548&page=2#post-131840 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 14:24:44 +0000 threefromleith 131840@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I stopped buying the Scotsman over 10 years ago, and only bought the Weekend Scotsman thereafter. I eventually gave up on that as the price climbed, the quality plummeted and the once-interesting weekend magazine became 'The Gaby Soutar section (featuring boyfriend Rolf)'.</p> <p>If only they'd never canned 'Shopping Around With Beryl' ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548&page=2#post-131835 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 14:10:18 +0000 neddie 131835@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It seems the Herald is a better paper. Perhaps 'we' could approach them first for cycling/transport related stories? Maybe we could encourage them to print stuff about Edinburgh as well as Glasgow. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548&page=2#post-131809 Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:47:20 +0000 kaputnik 131809@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>threefromleith</p> <p>There was a tweet from a journalist on Twitter last week implying that things were bad things were afoot at the EEN/Scotsman.</em></p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24860719" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24860719</a></p> <p><em>The Scotsman and Scotland on Sunday newspapers are to be slimmed down, with more journalist jobs being cut, BBC Scotland understands.</p> <p>The number of pages in the Edinburgh-based daily will be reduced, and magazine supplements will be axed. The Sunday paper will re-designed in a tabloid format. The changes will be introduced from early January. </p> <p>Sales of the Scotsman fell by 17% in the year to July, to below 30,000 per day. Scotland on Sunday sales between January and July were down 20% to 37,000.</em> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548&page=2#post-131684 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 13:52:38 +0000 DaveC 131684@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Suppose they may end up printing a retraction, on page 110000700989, in Times New Roman size 2. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131672 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 12:27:48 +0000 kaputnik 131672@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Inaccurate and misleading headline? Breaches article 1.i of the PCC's Editorial Code of Practice.</p> <p>Consider it "Clarenced" :) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131551 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 11:03:52 +0000 Firedog 131551@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Has anyone suggested keeping both sides happy and paving over the potholes with new cycle lanes? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131522 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 20:23:34 +0000 Focus 131522@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Of course, hence my "if" rather than "as". But that wouldn't fit with the EEN's agenda! ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131521 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 20:19:42 +0000 tammytroot 131521@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I suppose the point is, it is not either or. The council have allocated a budget for road maintenance and a budget for cycling infrastructure. There is no connection between the two. (Except in the EEN). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131509 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:17:07 +0000 Focus 131509@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As for the article itself, if it's one or the other, I'd go for fixing potholes first, over the half-baked cycling infrastructure we have been getting lately. What's the point in painting a red lane over a potholed road? </p> <p>I dream of the day my own street - currently potholed, rutted, bumpy and unevenly surfaced, with almost invisible cycle lane markings - becomes a smooth, well-demarcated nirvana to ride along but sadly I think it would take a combined visit by the queen, Dalai Lama and the pope to get that to be reality. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131508 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:12:04 +0000 Focus 131508@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>But how much money do they make from us? I certainly don't buy the rag and I have an ad-blocker so neither see nor read any advertising on the site. Then again, I suppose it depends on whether advertising programs can tell if a visitor is viewing a page with ads blocked. If not, the advertisers are paying for site hits rather than the more important site hits <em>without ads being blocked</em>.</p> <p>As for the choiuce of articles, journalism has become much easier. Before the internet, the only feedback a paper got was from a page or less devoted to readers' letters. Now, they can gauge what their readership reacts to via comments which are so much easier, quicker and require less formal structure, meaning even the least grammatically-schooled can sound off.</p> <p>Journalism as a whole has been dumbed down. Just look at how new programmes and the like are clamouring to "involve us" by asking for tweets and mobile phone images. No longer does a journalist have to go out and get the story as often, no longer must they phone somebody. Instead, they just check Twitter and get the public to do the job for them.</p> <p>Just how many quotes nowadays have actually been obtained directly from the person in question rather than lifted off the internet?</p> <p>This "involving the public" is akin to visiting a relative in hospital and having the nurse give you the needle to inject the patient for them under the guise of "involving the public". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131507 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:25:34 +0000 Dave 131507@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Incredibly irresponsible journalism - I imagine they feel they're attracting a readership by inciting angry division like this.</em></p> <p>The EEN has quite a healthy readership from CCE, ironically! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131505 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:01:05 +0000 amir 131505@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In terms of pothole filling vs cycle facilities, the first is maintenance and the second is investment. These should be seen as different types of budget. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131504 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 16:46:58 +0000 algo 131504@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interestingly that picture is of the infamous lethal cycle lane by the Missoni - good choice of picture.... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131501 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 16:26:45 +0000 gibbo 131501@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>I personally would prefer them to fill in a lot of the potholes and cracks in the road rather than paint more bike lanes that will be ususable for cyclists due to a lack of enforcement.</em></blockquote></p> <p>Those red areas are cycle lanes? I thought they were parking/stopping zones... :0</p> <p>Personally, what would keep me safer is if the left side of the road was fit to cycle on. So, I'm with you: I'd rather the money was spent on road repair. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131488 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:13:52 +0000 Stickman 131488@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The traditional printed newspapers are all in their death throes, although some are further down the road than others. Most are resorting to this kind of click-bait to try and get some web hits for their advertisers (Comment is Free on the Guardian website is particularly bad for this). As web-based advertisers become smarter in their ad placements and recognise the limited returns they get purely from site views then even this above-the-line trolling won't be effective. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131486 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:08:09 +0000 kaputnik 131486@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'll wager that their commenters online don't even buy the paper and just troll the site. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131484 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:58:34 +0000 algo 131484@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Incredibly irresponsible journalism - I imagine they feel they're attracting a readership by inciting angry division like this. I suppose a reasonable article with cyclists advocating fixing the atrocious road surfaces would have seemed pretty boring by comparison. I do have the sense they realise from the comments what people are responding to and are pandering to that... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131481 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:40:08 +0000 Morningsider 131481@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Dave - the average Scottish person makes approximately 63% of their annual trips as the driver or passenger of a car, which accounts for approximately 76% of the total mileage they travel. (Figures derived from tables 11.1 and 11.2 of Scottish Transport Statistics 2012.)</p> <p>The IAM guy is talking rubbish - statistically speaking, of oourse. Usual caveats about averages, data sources etc - but these are the best statistics available on this topic. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131478 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:29:52 +0000 threefromleith 131478@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>You must understand that cyclists fall well below trams, the council and anything related to the Festival in the Chipwrapperhierarchy of commenter abuse </blockquote></p> <p>I thought that the fact they could pounce on all three of their pet peeves in one handy story would have had them foaming at the mouth and attacking us all :-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131476 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:27:28 +0000 threefromleith 131476@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There was a tweet from a journalist on Twitter last week implying that things were bad things were afoot at the EEN/Scotsman.</p> <p>I think they're in their death throes and going to be put out of their misery soon. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131475 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:26:25 +0000 kaputnik 131475@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>from the other thread;<br /> Threefromleith: <em>Surprisingly little anti-cycling abuse, which I thought it'd be rife with the moment I saw the comment-baiting headline!</em></p> <p>You must understand that cyclists fall well below trams, the council and anything related to the Festival in the Chipwrapper hierarchy of commenter abuse </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131469 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:14:22 +0000 kaputnik 131469@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A portion of the 6.4% of Edinburgh's population which read the chipwrapper will be fuming. Then they'll move on and forget about it as there will be some other grumpy person on the front page pointing at something tomorrow.</p> <p>And the paper probably wonders why it has lost 54% of its readership in 10 years and has the worst rate of readership decline of all UK regional papers. At the rate it is currently shedding readers it will have a circulation of just under 10,000 in 10 years time. Pretty impressive considering it was at about 100,000 in 1990. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131468 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:05:53 +0000 DaveC 131468@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ Dave, Mr Greig said car and not HGV or Bus. But I do wonder where they get their data from, and whether its specific to inner cities or the UK as a whole, which includes very rural areas and motorways (&lt;-where cycling is not allowed). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131467 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:02:52 +0000 Dave 131467@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Mr Greig added: “Over 90 per cent of journeys are still made by car ... you have to invest in the mode of transport people use.”</em></p> <p>But Mr Greig, 7% of the transport budget is much less than 100-90 = 10%. So you're saying funding for cycling should almost double, to 10%? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131463 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:53:14 +0000 Cyclingmollie 131463@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>o_0: <em>"I can't think of another area where it would be deemed acceptable "</em></p> <p>It's the hard won unacceptability of those other areas* that has driven people to pick on cyclists imo.</p> <p>*racism, homophobia, sexism, ageism etc. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131462 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:39:08 +0000 minus six 131462@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Its a serious problem that headlines such as these are designed to provoke conflict, enabling drivers to be increasingly aggressive, and to feel justified in their antagonism.</p> <p>Offhand, I can't think of another area where it would be deemed acceptable for local media to polarise the community in this way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131460 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:35:30 +0000 Morningsider 131460@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How can you cut a budget that hasn't been set? The expnediture for pothole repair in 2014/15 might be less than this year, but that doesn't mean it is a cut. It is only a cut if a budget has been set and then a decision is made to reduce that budget - which hasn't happened in this case.</p> <p>I suppose the headline "Council reprioritises transport expnediture - road repairs still biggest expenditure" doesn't have the same ring to it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131459 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:33:52 +0000 DaveC 131459@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ha!! I hope this gets all the motorised mo*ons blood boiling! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11548#post-131458 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:33:36 +0000 kaputnik 131458@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maths, facts and accuracy were never the EEN's strongpoints. </p>