http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Government predicts cycling will FALL by 2040" en Mon, 18 May 2026 23:01:51 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556&page=2#post-132787 Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:34:45 +0000 Focus 132787@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>House of Fraser has even gone all Argos. Use the Buy and Collect Service in-store. Yes, order online while you're actually in the shop, and presumably collect it there and then if it's in stock :-D </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556&page=2#post-132786 Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:31:15 +0000 Focus 132786@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=pu_200742950_faq_whe?nodeId=200742950#find">Amazon Lockers</a> are all over the place and very handy too. U get an email (and text if you wish) with the code and key t into the locker's screen to open he appropriate door. Beats waiting in if you have one in easy reach. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556&page=2#post-132785 Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:18:21 +0000 wee folding bike 132785@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Amazon have a pick up area at Braehead shopping centre. It's lockers of various sizes. I guess you get a code number to unlock one. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556&page=2#post-132784 Fri, 15 Nov 2013 18:02:33 +0000 neddie 132784@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Online retailers do also 'need' some stores to let consumers browse.</p> <p>At the moment Amazon et al trade off the backs of others...But not for long...</p> <p>Amazon are talking of setting up their own 'browsing centres'. You take a look, then you buy online... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556&page=2#post-132779 Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:41:17 +0000 chdot 132779@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I wonder if Apple runs its stores as a loss leader to keep up its brand"</p> <p>No. </p> <p>Though -</p> <p><a href="http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/11/11/apple-store-sales-fall-3-as-iphone-ipad-distribution-network-grows" rel="nofollow">http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/11/11/apple-store-sales-fall-3-as-iphone-ipad-distribution-network-grows</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556&page=2#post-132777 Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:15:31 +0000 kaputnik 132777@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Seems Edinburgh is full of people with Apple goodies who managed to aquire them without the store. I wonder if Apple runs its stores as a loss leader to keep up its brand. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-132763 Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:04:19 +0000 Focus 132763@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Today the Evening News can reveal the frustrating news that there have been hitches in converting the former fast food restaurant into a sleek new unit fit for the uber-cool technology corporation.</em>"</p> <p>Frustrating? I'll survive. I've made it this far in life without an Apple product (unless you count Quicktime, and I uninstalled that years ago). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-132750 Fri, 15 Nov 2013 14:55:02 +0000 kaputnik 132750@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>chdot - Don't believe the hype.<br /> kaputnik - Like the one about the Apple store?<br /> chdot - Wot u mean there isn't going to be one in Princes St??<br /> </em><br /> <a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-apple-store-princes-street-delay-1-3190119" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-apple-store-princes-street-delay-1-3190119</a></p> <p>Today the Evening News can reveal the frustrating news that there have been hitches in converting the former fast food restaurant into a sleek new unit fit for the uber-cool technology corporation. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-132669 Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:04:50 +0000 chdot 132669@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Private Eye -</p> <p><img src="http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2867/10867126483_d6432d78fd.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131707 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 15:30:33 +0000 chdot 131707@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Wot u mean there isn't going to be one in Princes St?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131704 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 15:14:25 +0000 kaputnik 131704@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Don't believe the hype.</em></p> <p>Like the one about the Apple store? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131692 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 14:15:32 +0000 crowriver 131692@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@kaputnik: "Like". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131691 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 14:12:35 +0000 chdot 131691@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>(As the thread has gone sideways)</p> <p>"<br /> EDINBURGH is going head-to-head with the likes of New York, Boston, Sydney and Dubai after being named as an international property hot spot.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-joins-dubai-as-world-property-hot-spot-1-3178013" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-joins-dubai-as-world-property-hot-spot-1-3178013</a></p> <p>Don't believe the hype. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131690 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 14:09:28 +0000 chdot 131690@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nah, the Government is always in... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131688 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 14:07:28 +0000 kaputnik 131688@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'd like to re-arrange the title of this thread to;</p> <p>"cyclists predict Government will FALL by 2040" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131686 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 14:02:45 +0000 neddie 131686@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And as if by magic...</p> <p><strong>ECB cuts benchmark rate to 0.25%</strong></p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24851483" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24851483</a></p> <p>We're not out of the woods yet... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131617 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 17:20:02 +0000 algo 131617@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>thanks chdot - will copy my e-mail to the lothian list... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131605 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 15:54:43 +0000 chdot 131605@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@algo "I've written to my MSP (Jim Eadie)"</p> <p>Don't forget you also have those on the Lothian List. </p> <p>Spokes has sent this this to all local MSPs -</p> <p>"</p> <p>To: MSPs in Edinburgh and Lothian</p> <p>Dear MSP</p> <p>I am writing on behalf of Spokes with regard to the Scottish Government debate in the Scottish Parliament next Wednesday (13 November) entitled<em> "Modernising Scotland's Transport Infrastructure - Meeting the challenges of the 21st century"</em></p> <p>We very much hope that the role of cycling as a potentially very important form of <strong>local transport </strong>will feature in the debate, helping as it does towards objectives on congestion, emissions and public health.</p> <p>Local transport needs revolutionising just as much as the long-distance inter-city travel on which the debate may tend to focus. You may be aware of increasing moves in English cities to create greatly improved urban cycle networks. For example...<br /> <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dutchstyle-bike-lanes-set-for-rollout-in-bristol--britains-cycling-capital-8923311.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dutchstyle-bike-lanes-set-for-rollout-in-bristol--britains-cycling-capital-8923311.html</a></p> <p>In particular, we draw your attention to the <strong>Spokes NPF3 proposal</strong> for <strong>one cycle-friendly town or city in each Scottish local authority</strong> (linked by the national network) as a means of initiating change throughout the country, and helping foster the necessary expertise in all local authorities. I attach our NPF3 proposal and hope you might consider asking for this to be adopted in the final NPF3. The proposal document includes in its addendum justifications under the various NPF3 criteria.</p> <p>Yours Sincerely</p> <p>Dave du Feu<br /> for Spokes</p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131585 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 14:12:32 +0000 Nelly 131585@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The headline is (surprise) misleading - it talks of prices soaring - but, but, but,that is by 2018.</p> <p>A headline of 'Prices to increase at slightly less than 3.5% compound over the next 5 years' is not quite so attractive !!</p> <p>I predict the EEN headlines will be 18% more ridiculous by this time next week................. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131583 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 14:04:29 +0000 neddie 131583@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is still a 'reality gap' between what sellers are asking and what buyers are paying.</p> <p>I doubt house prices will go up much any time soon. We've still to get through the worst of the recession. When the interest base rate goes up from 0.5%, then I'll believe we're out (or starting to come out) of the recession. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131579 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 13:38:55 +0000 kaputnik 131579@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's a sure thing! Prices can only go up! Where have we heard that before. Ah yes, I think it was estate agents wasn't it, who are in the market of profiting from more houses selling for more money.</p> <p>If anyone could accurately predict the future rise in housing prices then they'd already be billionaires and we'd never have ended up in the credit crunch and global recession. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131576 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 13:28:47 +0000 chdot 131576@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>'Completely' off topic. </p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-house-prices-to-soar-18-percent-by-2018-1-3175826" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-house-prices-to-soar-18-percent-by-2018-1-3175826</a></p> <p>Wishful thinking?</p> <p>Self fulfilling prophecy?</p> <p>Don't believe the hype?</p> <p>So - if Edinburgh house prices go up (and interest rates won't remain at 'all time low for ever') less money for driving or more Fife and Lothian commuters?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131575 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 13:23:28 +0000 amir 131575@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And this?</p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24833148" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24833148</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131574 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 13:15:01 +0000 Arellcat 131574@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Actuarial modelling also considers user-defined non-determined parameters like changes to regulatory/legal requirements alongside predicted population / demographic progression.</em></p> <p>Blimey, wingpig. Do you work for the Government? :) I think that really means 'known unknowns', in the context of horizon scanning.</p> <p><em>shale gas is going to be so cheap, and I suppose cars are all going to be electric</em></p> <p>Beware of the Jevons Paradox, where increases in efficiency of production can actually lead to increases in total consumption of a resource. In the form of the Khazzoom-Brookes Postulate, mega cheap energy or super efficient electric cars will inevitably encourage people to use energy or drive their cars more, not less. But if gross energy prices decrease, why should a Government not cover the resulting revenue gap by increased taxation to the consumer? This would effectively keep the commodity price high, and stabilise demand. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131568 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 12:39:37 +0000 LaidBack 131568@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>As has been noted...</p> <p>Many alternatives to driving can barely cope capacity wise. </p> <p>Cycle lanes (and zig zag ramps!) seem to be built on the assumption that levels will never increase that much. We're just seeing some welcome improvements in some areas like NWM and the route to Forth Bridge (lots more to do though)</p> <p>On the railway we still have single track rail sections between the central belt and cities in the north. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131567 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 12:39:09 +0000 algo 131567@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>thanks Morningsider - I've written to my MSP (Jim Eadie) to ask him to bring up cycling - he's certainly pro-cycling from what I can tell... I read from a link on here a really good article explaining the economic benefit of supporting cycling, but I can't find it now - I wonder if there's any point sending the MSPs links to such things. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131566 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 12:31:14 +0000 PS 131566@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't know if this is still the case (although I suspect it is), but just a few years ago DfT's projections around car use/demand were based on the price of oil falling over the next 50 years - lo and behold, that led to loads more car demand.</p> <p>I would hope that's been revised, but I would not be at all surprised if it hasn't. Afterall, shale gas is going to be so cheap, and I suppose cars are all going to be electric now BMW have launched their one... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131563 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 12:04:41 +0000 kaputnik 131563@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So, "Modernising" actually means "More of the same, Keith"? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131559 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 11:42:23 +0000 Morningsider 131559@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is seperate model for Scotland - Transport Model for Scotland 2007 (TMS07). I am not aware of any transport policy decisions being taken based on the general predictions of this model - rather it is used to assess possible outcomes of specific proposed schemes. In fact, I'm not aware of any strategic thinking behind any transport infrastructure decisions having been made in the last 10 years.</p> <p>Interestingly, there is to be a Scottish Government debate in the Scottish Parliament next Wednesday (13 November) entitled "Modernising Scotland's Transport Infrastructure - Meeting the challenges of the 21st century". The text of the motion isn't available yet, but I'm sure there will be lots on A9 and A96 dualling, ScotRail franchise renewal and the new Network Rail control period. Might be worth bringing his to the attention of cycle campain groups, so they can lobby MSPs to ensure that cycling gets a look in amongst the mega projects - which are just sooooo 20th century. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11556#post-131557 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 11:37:15 +0000 wingpig 131557@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Actuarial modelling also considers user-defined non-determined parameters like changes to regulatory/legal requirements alongside predicted population/demographic progression. Any traffic prediction/modelling department worthy of the name would surely have run a few different scenarios besides the simple 'BRRRRMMMM!' default they're stuck on. </p>