http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: London - 4 cyclist deaths in 8 days en Mon, 18 May 2026 23:01:16 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-133676 Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:49:45 +0000 chdot 133676@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On Radio 4 Today - woman from RoadPeace saying sensible things - John Humphreys interviewing constructively - both highlighting aspects of 'lorry issues'. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-133270 Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:34:18 +0000 chdot 133270@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> @comadad: Stop the Killing: Die-In/Vigil at TfL HQ, 1700-1830 Friday, 29 November 2013 @highburyonfoot @jon_events <a href="https://t.co/0T2jnTi6dP" rel="nofollow">https://t.co/0T2jnTi6dP</a></p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-133267 Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:27:53 +0000 chdot 133267@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>@markbikeslondon: The Mayor is currently answering your questions about cycle deaths on @VanessaOnAir right now. Tune in: <a href="http://t.co/jR1G2Ose72" rel="nofollow">http://t.co/jR1G2Ose72</a></p> <p>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132845 Sat, 16 Nov 2013 12:14:17 +0000 chdot 132845@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/interactive/2013/nov/16/interactive-map-britain-cycling-casualties" rel="nofollow">http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/interactive/2013/nov/16/interactive-map-britain-cycling-casualties</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132797 Fri, 15 Nov 2013 21:19:09 +0000 wee folding bike 132797@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Number 1 son used to stay in Whitechapel and is in Bethnal Green now so I've cycled through that junction.</p> <p>The only thing I remember being annoyed about was the no left turn west bound from Whitechapel Rd into Commercial Rd. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132790 Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:27:57 +0000 chdot 132790@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://road.cc/content/news/99048-die-planned-transport-london-headquarters-save-our-cyclists’-petition-hits-over" rel="nofollow">http://road.cc/content/news/99048-die-planned-transport-london-headquarters-save-our-cyclists’-petition-hits-over</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132678 Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:29:24 +0000 zesty 132678@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just back from 4 days in London for work and each day walked past Aldgate East station where the 5th cyclist was killed.</p> <p>Sorry to say, I'm surprised there has not been more deaths around this area.</p> <p>The junction of Commerical Road and Whitechapel Road is horrendous for cyclists jump the red lights and trying to get onto Whitechapel Road while they are at green (I'm not saying the person killed at this junction was jumping the lights) so it came as no surprise this news.</p> <p>The amount of buses on this road as well would def give me concern for cycling it if I had to commute on this road, there is barely a gap for a bike to get past the buses but still the cyclists try. Twice I saw people getting knocked over because they tried to squeeze past a bus, luckily they were ok. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132621 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:43:29 +0000 KarenJS 132621@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@focus I agree it's hard to get it right. What irked me about his comments was more the way it came over, but he may have been quoted out of context. He came across as being very dismissive of the fact people had been killed and seemed to be implying there was a fuss being made over nothing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132619 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:32:09 +0000 Focus 132619@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ <strong>KarenJS</strong></p> <p>"<em>... comments from Chris Boardman? Something along the lines of, 5 deaths is not actually as bad as everyone is saying, it's just the perspective, cycling is actually quite safe</em>"</p> <p>Unfortunately, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, as is anyone who either says cycling is inherently dangerous or inherently safe. Say it's safe (to encourage more cycling) and people point to the casualty statistics. Say it's dangerous and people complain that it will put people off cycling. That's the way people are about cycling, I'm afraid. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132618 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:18:09 +0000 SRD 132618@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><strike>Kaya burgess of the times</strike>, Peter walker of the guardian who has been very indignant about Boris' comments <strike>and was on the beeb sometime this evening</strike>, was claiming that someone (expert) told him benefits outweigh risks 85-1. Piece going in the Saturday guardian. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132617 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:08:55 +0000 KarenJS 132617@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I caught a bit of the coverage on sky news earlier. Did anyone else hear the comments from Chris Boardman? Something along the lines of, 5 deaths is not actually as bad as everyone is saying, it's just the perspective, cycling is actually quite safe. Just seems like very few of these elite cyclists have ever tried to cycle in a city at rush hour. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132609 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 18:55:17 +0000 EddieD 132609@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I heard it on my way home.</p> <p>Hmm.</p> <p>Interview with Boris, Interview with bloke from British Cycling. Boris was not as positive I thought he should be, saying that RLJ and lane swapping by cyclists was a significant contribution, British Cycling chap though that it may be a small contribution, but other things - side rails on lorries, lorry exclusions zones may be more significant. Nothing particularly new. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132606 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 18:06:23 +0000 chdot 132606@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>'How to make cities safer for cycling'. </p> <p>Coming up on R4 PM. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132569 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:36:44 +0000 Focus 132569@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>If</em> they were, it would certainly qualify as a very tasteless example of a pun. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132562 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:33:01 +0000 chdot 132562@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"I wouldn't normally point out a spelling mistake"</p> <p>I suspect the Metro subs where just being 'headline punny' - but it grates by being not great. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132559 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:29:50 +0000 PS 132559@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A kerb between segregated cycling lanes and the rest of the traffic would certainly help. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132558 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:27:27 +0000 Focus 132558@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ <strong>chdot</strong></p> <p>"No more excuses: Cyclists need protection to <strong>kerb</strong> more London deaths"</p> <p>I wouldn't normally point out a spelling mistake in an article on such a grim subject, but it's sadly an appropriate one given the subject. Of course, they should have said "curb". But as we know, the <em>kerb</em> is where too many drivers want to push us. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132557 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:24:34 +0000 Focus 132557@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ <strong>Darkerside</strong></p> <p>"@Focus; it's actually a board on the truly enormous London Fixed Gear/Single Speed forum"<br /> Yes, I spotted that. But my point, as you understood, was that it's a bad situation when you actually need a (sub-section) of a forum, rather than the occasional thread for incidents. Just too many. Too many.</p> <p>I have little doubt that Central London is such a hectic place when you have somewhere to go, that too many people take too many risks and have too little time for anyone else's space or safety, regardless of their mode of transport. That's why, even with the tram lines, I am so glad I cycle round Edinburgh rather than London.</p> <p>I have a couple of friends down there - very active cyclists. I must get them to sum up London cycling for us. No newspaper hype, no carefully-chosen soundbites, just real experiences. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132541 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:23:52 +0000 chdot 132541@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> Speaking on LBC Radio, Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg said the issue "needs to be taken very seriously", although he was not convinced extra regulation was the answer. </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://news.sky.com/story/1168526/london-cycling-deaths-prompt-calls-for-action" rel="nofollow">http://news.sky.com/story/1168526/london-cycling-deaths-prompt-calls-for-action</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132539 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:21:10 +0000 chdot 132539@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<br /> No more excuses: Cyclists need protection to kerb more London deaths </p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/14/no-more-excuses-cyclists-need-protection-to-kerb-more-london-deaths-4186492/" rel="nofollow">http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/14/no-more-excuses-cyclists-need-protection-to-kerb-more-london-deaths-4186492/</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132538 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:18:56 +0000 PS 132538@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@k And after the accident on the railway, chances are there'd be a temporary speed restriction put in place until the issue was investigated and resolved. Perhaps analogous to a 5mph speed limit being put in place on roads where cyclists have been hurt or killed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132537 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:10:17 +0000 Darkerside 132537@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Focus; it's actually a board on the truly enormous London Fixed Gear/Single Speed forum, but your point is still valid.</p> <p>The forum switches to a black logo for a few days every time a cyclist dies in London, which has always struck me as a hauntingly effective gesture. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132529 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:46:30 +0000 kaputnik 132529@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Think about the amount of money Network Rail is obliged to spend on level crossings (upgrading, removing and replacing) after fatalities, accidents or even near misses, and then about the massive fines (in the millions) they get for corporate negligence when such crossings are found lacking.</p> <p>Then think about how the agencies responsible for our roads are apparently under no statutory obligation to make them safe for all and can't be taken to task by any regulator for their blatant failings and ambivalence. If this was happening on railways the regulator would be down on them like a ton of bricks and senior persons would be on gardening leave. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132525 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:27:58 +0000 PS 132525@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is insane. Any other system that resulted in 5 deaths in little more than a week would either be shut down or severely restricted. But because this is the roads and it's all down to individuals' "momentary losses of concentration" (and no doubt some thought that these cyclists are putting themselves in harm's way by cycling in traffic), there's just a bit of hand-wringing (at best) and victim-blaming at worst. It's a disgrace. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132514 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:06:43 +0000 Focus 132514@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The fact there even <em>is</em> a rider down <em>forum</em> is grim :-( </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132500 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:21:49 +0000 Darkerside 132500@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And with a sixth still in a critical condition after a bus crash. </p> <p>London's rider down forum makes for grim reading.</p> <p><a href="http://www.lfgss.com/forum40.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lfgss.com/forum40.html</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132498 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:02:05 +0000 fimm 132498@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Now 5 deaths in 9 days...<br /> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24936942" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24936942</a><br /> "<em>A man died in hospital at about 04:00 GMT following a collision with a double decker bus in Whitechapel Road near Aldgate East Station in east London, at about 23:30 on Wednesday</em>" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132480 Wed, 13 Nov 2013 23:48:51 +0000 Murun Buchstansangur 132480@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I thought long and hard about doing this, but on balance I think it's justified.</p> <p>The Wail has some utterly terrifying, but prurient photos of the aftermaths of the incidents. IMO the ones of the Croydon incident should be forwarded to CEC and Edinburgh Trams as an example of what happens at worst when cyclists, tram lines, and motorised transport meet.</p> <p>Those who wish can view them <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2506215/Four-cyclists-killed-fighting-life-inside-days-Londons-roads.html">here</a>.</p> <p>Oh, and the fact that the Heil's comments are fairer than those on the average EEN cycling article should give the Chipwrapper's editorial staff food for thought. If they can think, that is. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11619#post-132474 Wed, 13 Nov 2013 22:51:39 +0000 gibbo 132474@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-cycling-deaths-woman-killed-in-lorry-crash-becomes-fourth-fatality-in-eight-days-on-streets-of-capital-8937222.html">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-cycling-deaths-woman-killed-in-lorry-crash-becomes-fourth-fatality-in-eight-days-on-streets-of-capital-8937222.html</a> </p>