http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Moving signs out of bike lanes en Fri, 17 Apr 2026 22:48:35 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-136563 Wed, 11 Dec 2013 21:14:24 +0000 robyvecchio 136563@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/13183882@N03/11328371846" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/13183882@N03/11328371846</a></p> <p>I might need help with this (pun not intended). I have notified the council on the problems with the road page but no answer. maybe on problems with waste?</p> <p>I would have moved it myself if I were Andre the Giant </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-136066 Sun, 08 Dec 2013 13:09:27 +0000 Focus 136066@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Exactly, and a point I made a while back about this sign. And yet someone still deems it "necessary"... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-136051 Sun, 08 Dec 2013 10:05:23 +0000 PS 136051@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Where else are you going to go on that corner? Surely a diversion sign is only necessary when turning off the principal road? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-136047 Sun, 08 Dec 2013 01:22:22 +0000 chdot 136047@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/11257866026/"><img src="http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5547/11257866026_2f0fc02b88.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chdot/11257866026/">still there</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-135613 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:10:21 +0000 cb 135613@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Facebook campaign to have the driver behind the folk on their brakes put their full beams on till the hand brake is engaged"</p> <p>I do this sometimes when I'm feeling grumpy but it doesn't seem to have any effect. Sometimes I hold my hand to shield my eyes from the red glare, but they don't see to see this either. Or maybe they do and just put me down as whiney. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-135612 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:06:44 +0000 cb 135612@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Full beams seem to be many people's default setting for in town driving"</p> <p>I think you mean dipped? Pretty rare to see full beams in town in my opinon. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-135603 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:22:46 +0000 Coxy 135603@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>At of what look like fog lights are now the manditory daytime running lights that new cars have to come with. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-135601 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:18:30 +0000 DaveC 135601@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>^^ This and fog lights!! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-135595 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:11:09 +0000 kaputnik 135595@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was thinking about full beams last night as I got constantly dazzled. Some sort of thing that the fullbeam is on a timer under 30mph and fades off after 5 seconds or whatever. Full beams seem to be many people's default setting for in town driving, not helped by how retina-burningly bright many modern HID lights are. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-135592 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:01:38 +0000 steveo 135592@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I suspect your car is probably designed the way people actually use their cars rather than how they should. One of these days I'm going to organise my Facebook campaign to have the driver behind the folk on their brakes put their full beams on till the hand brake is engaged... Its a pet hate. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-135587 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 13:29:01 +0000 Baldcyclist 135587@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I sit with my foot on the brake, I have one off those stupid electronic hand brakes which doesn't release when you touch the accelerator.</p> <p>Also the button is in the wrong place to easily reach, to en/disengage the handbrake. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-135585 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 13:09:34 +0000 kaputnik 135585@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>As if people need any encouragement to sit with their foot on the brake - put the hand brake on!<br /> </em></p> <p>Do people still do that? Every car that comes up behind me on a hill seems to be held on the clutch! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-135584 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 13:06:53 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 135584@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I guess the brake pedal controlling the on-off would make sense in an automatic? Or putting it into neutral I guess.<br /> "<em>Every car that comes up behind me on a hill seems to be held on the clutch!</em>"</p> <p>And not held very well - the amount of rocking back and forth it's a wonder it doesn't cause seasickness... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-135583 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 13:04:58 +0000 kaputnik 135583@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>As if people need any encouragement to sit with their foot on the brake - put the hand brake on!<br /> </em></p> <p>Do people still do that? Every car that comes up behind me on a hill seems to be held on the clutch! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-135577 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:52:54 +0000 cb 135577@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>WC, it sounds as if your stop/start feature works correctly unlike fimm's hire car which worked in the same way as the Mercedes hire car I had in the summer.</p> <p>Only stopping the engine when your foot is on the brake is pointless for people who know how to drive correctly ;-)</p> <p>As if people need any encouragement to sit with their foot on the brake - put the hand brake on! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-135572 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:39:17 +0000 PS 135572@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>answers on a postcard please</em> </p> <p>Well, those yellow trench covers are trip hazards, after all. However, by putting the sign next to the pavement rather than in the road you've probably made it more visisble for pedestrians. :-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-135557 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:59:05 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 135557@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Strangest comment on YouTube thus far. "Have you considered that the saign was for the safety of pedestrians. It's not all about cyclists you know."</p> <p>I'm struggling to think about how and why the sign would be for the safety of pedestrians (answers on a postcard please). It was also pointed out something along the lines of things have to be for the benefit of everyone, which would be why I put it on the grass - it's still out of the way of pedestrians, it's now out of the way of cyclists, and it can still be seen by motorists. Job's a good 'un.</p> <p>The roadworks are gone completely today - so they never actually got onto the road, just on the pavement, and as has been pointed out there's a better and wider pavement running parallel just metres away. Weird weird weird. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-135555 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:55:40 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 135555@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Our Mini has the single flash indicator (being a BMW) but you can change it to three flashes with the onboard computer.</p> <p>Our start stop is completely different though (weirdly). Stop, handbrake on, foot off the <em>clutch</em> and the engines switches off, switches back on the moment you touch the clutch again (the other pedals made no difference). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772&page=2#post-135553 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:52:41 +0000 fimm 135553@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thread drift alert... the BMW we got as a hire car in the summer didn't have a "flash three times if you tap the indicator" feature... if you tapped the indicator it flashed <em>once</em>. So the jokes about BMWs not being fitted with indicators have some basis....</p> <p>It also had once of those things where the engine would turn off at traffic lights - so long as you kept your foot on the brake. Put the handbrake on and take your foot of the footbrake and lo and behold the engine would start... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772#post-135534 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 10:57:09 +0000 cb 135534@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"The correct signal to indicate 'thank you', especially on motorways—and used particularly by truckers and coach drivers—is left-right-left with the indicators."</p> <p>That's becoming more difficult as many new cars have the annoying flash-three-times feature if you tap the indicator.</p> <p>I think it's supposed to make it easier to do pointless, far-too-late and as-good-as-useless lane change indications on the motorway.</p> <p>According to my Golf manual you can get the feature turned off, but my local garage can't do it.</p> <p>(And that reminds me of another thing....</p> <p>Instead of flashing the full beams to say 'thanks' (yeah, also illegal), I prefer at night to drop to the side lights then back to dipped as it's less blinding for others. But the automatic headlight feature makes this impossible, or at least not very practical.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772#post-135531 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 10:45:48 +0000 steveo 135531@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em> it's not something they would allow to happen (contractors would be informed on placement of roadworks signs properly). </em></p> <p>TBH I see this as the least of the problems the council has with contractors. Pedestrian crossings being the main one, but there are others. There was a lot grassroots work to get the MMW one reinstated but this happens all over the city. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772#post-135521 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 10:07:53 +0000 fimm 135521@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I don't remember that sign, or I might have moved it! I think the one I did move is visible at about 1:07 - 1:08 on the other side of the road (there's certainly a cone there).</p> <p>Confession - I put it on the pavement... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772#post-135508 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 08:05:35 +0000 Charterhall 135508@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"So perhaps it should be placed in the "vehicle lane" and let the motorists go round it? "</p> <p>Yes but then you'll need another sign in front of it to warn of the obstruction it's causing. The inconsistent standard at work here is the expectation that peds and cyclists need to use their eyes to spot hazards in front of them but motorists need to have them signalled by signs. Fair enough on a 70mph road but not in town, imo. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772#post-135503 Wed, 04 Dec 2013 00:12:54 +0000 Focus 135503@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's a tricky one, depending how you look at it. If we as cyclists were fortunate enough to have multiple lanes, we possibly wouldn't feel hard done by if one lane was blocked to warn of impending roadworks. After all, it's common to see exactly the same sign placement on roads without cycle lanes. That's presumably what goes through the minds of the workmen (and probably the council too).</p> <p>The next place to put the sign is on the footpath, but again that inconveniences someone. SO, as <strong>WC</strong> has done, the last option is on the grass which is presumably considered too far from the carriageway.</p> <p>So perhaps it should be placed in the "vehicle lane" and let the motorists go round it? Seems fair enough to me (and absolutely no sarcasm involved). But somehow I don't think that would be very popular with the masses.</p> <p>As for that specific sign, what is it warning of? At the moment, it's only the footpath being dug up. Or are they actually just putting it there so they can stick a few barriers in the road as a "temporary footpath", despite the options of taking to the grass or just using the parallel path? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772#post-135499 Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:25:13 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 135499@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Just to play devils advocate here... Since these are non mandatory bike lanes, they're actually just putting the signs at the side of the road; coincidently the bike lane is also at the side of the road.</em>"</p> <p>Absolutely, and that seems to be the mindset, when, in reality because there is a bike lane there (whether mandatory or not) they are putting the signs in a space that has allegedly been given over to cyclists for their safety and if (and this was the main point of the video) the council actually IS serious about cycling, it's not something they would allow to happen (contractors would be informed on placement of roadworks signs properly). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772#post-135497 Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:19:12 +0000 Snowy 135497@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good work WC. I have succumbed a couple of times to doing the same thing but it's silly how it feels slightly illicit at the time. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772#post-135496 Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:18:41 +0000 steveo 135496@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Just to play devils advocate here... Since these are non mandatory bike lanes, they're actually just putting the signs at the side of the road; coincidently the bike lane is also at the side of the road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772#post-135494 Tue, 03 Dec 2013 23:14:11 +0000 Focus 135494@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Rebel with a cause! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772#post-135478 Tue, 03 Dec 2013 22:21:07 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 135478@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O20yrVK40AM" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O20yrVK40AM</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11772#post-135465 Tue, 03 Dec 2013 21:41:19 +0000 Focus 135465@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not sure why the "Happy?". I'm just interested in you saying it's the "correct" signal when I'm not aware of it being an officially-recognised one, that's all. </p>