http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Meadows historic Jawbone Arch to be removed" en Thu, 21 May 2026 08:30:17 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868&page=2#post-350620 Wed, 12 May 2021 13:01:40 +0000 jonty 350620@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oh! I thought they'd gone forever. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868&page=2#post-350595 Tue, 11 May 2021 22:26:56 +0000 chdot 350595@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/return-date-pencilled-in-for-iconic-edinburgh-whale-jawbones-in-meadows-3233138" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/return-date-pencilled-in-for-iconic-edinburgh-whale-jawbones-in-meadows-3233138</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868&page=2#post-252776 Tue, 13 Jun 2017 12:20:08 +0000 crowriver 252776@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Not coming back then?"</p> <p>They haven't replaced all the cast iron park railings that were cut away during WW2 either. Apparently these were never melted down to produce weapons, it was just a "being seen to do something" morale booster.</p> <p>Sometimes the world changes, sometimes that change is a waste of time. </p> <p>So it goes. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868&page=2#post-252758 Tue, 13 Jun 2017 07:38:26 +0000 I were right about that saddle 252758@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Our garden is full of bits of whale taken from the beaches of the west coast and now much sculpted by the squirrels. Natural jaws could be acquired without whaling.</p> <p>Thing with the jawbones was you could climb them at night when drunk. Any replacement would result in both health and safety going mad. How about a hologram? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868&page=2#post-252756 Tue, 13 Jun 2017 06:58:48 +0000 gembo 252756@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>For those pining for a jawbone, cycle to netherurd in the borders. The entrance to the driveway is jawbone.</p> <p>I am ambivalent, against whaling, pro history. Just allowing us to forget it was ever there I am also against. Was there ever an information placard.?</p> <p>Whale snot or ambergris sometimes washes up on beaches and is valuable. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868&page=2#post-252754 Mon, 12 Jun 2017 23:39:56 +0000 Snowy 252754@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Politics Rule #7: When something ought to be done, tell the public you are doing something constructive, until through the passage of time they lose interest and you can ignore it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868&page=2#post-252657 Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:29:28 +0000 Nelly 252657@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Was a fibreglass replica not feasible? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868&page=2#post-252605 Sat, 10 Jun 2017 21:21:16 +0000 chdot 252605@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Not coming back then?</p> <p><img src="https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4221/34834037290_8e255418dc.jpg"> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868&page=2#post-159740 Fri, 18 Jul 2014 22:53:17 +0000 chdot 159740@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-28367278" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-28367278</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868&page=2#post-142901 Tue, 18 Feb 2014 14:13:15 +0000 kaputnik 142901@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Fimm I think it's utilities works, they've set up a compound on Meadow Place. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868&page=2#post-142885 Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:06:22 +0000 fimm 142885@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's something going on along Melville Drive that involves the road being narrowed to one narrow lane in each direction.</p> <p>I couldn't possibly comment on the fact that the roadworks sign that <em>was</em> in the cycle lane going east was moved... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868&page=2#post-142537 Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:24:21 +0000 chdot 142537@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.ewht.org.uk/news/174/102/Save-the-Whalebone-Arch" rel="nofollow">http://www.ewht.org.uk/news/174/102/Save-the-Whalebone-Arch</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868&page=2#post-140994 Mon, 27 Jan 2014 19:10:56 +0000 kaputnik 140994@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm not sure what the work is on the stub of Meadow Place between the South Meadow Walk and Melville Drive is, but the genius workmen have dragged the ornamental planters out the way and relocated them slap-bang in the middle of the shared path! Given they have nothing reflective on them it's lucky someone hasn't ridden straight into them.</p> <p>I've tweeted south team to ask that they are moved. Will get a picture tomorrow with the headcam, tonight,s one was too dark to see them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868&page=2#post-140724 Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:13:28 +0000 cb 140724@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You need to find out where the Morrisons petrol station bomb evacuation point is and stand there instead. Assuming it's not your office car park of course. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868&page=2#post-140710 Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:36:35 +0000 kaputnik 140710@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Re blast zones, our bomb evacuation point at work is the Morrisons petrol station at the Gyle. This always inspires confidence as the recommended evacuation distance is 500m from your place of work, the petrol station is almost exactly 501m away, meaning that all flaming wreckage from the office is bound to come to earth with a thump within spitting distance of all the persons crowded around above the highly flammable fuel. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868#post-140709 Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:33:57 +0000 kaputnik 140709@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>re Jawbones, the "simple" solution which of course won't have occured to the council elves and safeties would be to remove a small section of the fencing that penned you into the jawbones, so that a temporary matting path surface could be laid paralell to the jawbone path, meaning the optimum route across the road was still the crossing.</p> <p>It would have taken 20 minutes with the buzz saw and could easily have been welded back in place later.</p> <p>If the jawbones were closed for a few days it would be one thing, but this has been weeks and I assume it might end up being months. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868#post-140700 Fri, 24 Jan 2014 09:09:47 +0000 steveo 140700@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Tynecastle? Jings I never new the danger I was in!! TBH the wafting smell some days was probably more of a risk... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868#post-140699 Fri, 24 Jan 2014 08:47:42 +0000 gembo 140699@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>snowy very good point. I guess the council have risk assessed the jawbones. So must act. But haven't risk assessed the road? Or maybe have risk assessed the road? Both worrying.</p> <p>When I was looking for a new office within the buildings owned by the corporation I asked if establishment X was available and was told no as it was in the blast zone from the distillery. strangely, I worked in this establishment for a number of years, not knowing the incredible risk I was taking. curiously, establishment X was only available because a new establishment X+1 had been built across the street. Just outwith the blast zone? The blast was only going to reach the middle of the street? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868#post-140695 Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:14:24 +0000 Snowy 140695@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This is becoming a bit farcical. Jawbone still in place. Pedestrians still being encouraged to cross away from the actual crossing.</p> <p>Got to wonder what goes through the heads of these people. Risk of ancient jawbone falling down: negligible. Risk of pedestrians getting run over at t-junction which is famous for inexperienced and/or late and/or drunk pedestrians: vastly increased. </p> <p>But hey, sod it, they're on the road, they know the risks they're taking, right? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868#post-140408 Tue, 21 Jan 2014 02:06:06 +0000 kaputnik 140408@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It is obviously safer to encourage schoolchildren to cross a busy (30mph) road away from the crossing than it is to take one's chances under some jawbones which have stood for a hundred years without falling down. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868#post-140407 Tue, 21 Jan 2014 01:55:30 +0000 Snowy 140407@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Whatever they are planning to do, I hope they get on with it soon. Pretty chaotic round there at peak times, and about 50% of pedestrians are crossing 20 yards away from the pedestrian crossing, on the west side of the junction. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868#post-140405 Tue, 21 Jan 2014 00:20:51 +0000 kaputnik 140405@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Meadow Place is currently all HERASfencinged-off. I assume it's a compound for a crane or whatever to lift out the jawbones.</p> <p>Or maybe a better solution to the bollards / planters being put in? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868#post-136819 Fri, 13 Dec 2013 01:13:30 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 136819@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Re traffic light crossing points, unless things have changed since google took its pictures, all (3?) of the pedestrian crossings have some barriers, and neither of the cycle crossings have any barriers.</em>"</p> <p>Interesting, this has rather challenged my memory of Melville Drive! (especially given I ride it every day). It's all very inconsistent still.</p> <p>Most easterly crossing. North side has simple opening between two railings, south side only has a railing to the east.</p> <p>Next crossing, only has barriers on the south side, which this time are staggered a smidge, so not a simple opening.</p> <p>Next up is MIddle Meadow Walk, no barriers whatsoever.</p> <p>The Jawbone, which only has barriers on the north side, staggered a smidge, and none on the south (so an exact mirror of the second crossing).</p> <p>Last crossing before breaking out the park into Tollcross has no barriers at all.</p> <p>So. One crossing with barriers both sides (though one side is partial); two crossings with barriers on only one side (and different sides from each other); and two crossings with no barriers at all.</p> <p>Very strange. So for the non-barriered crossings, and partially barriered crossings, the query still stands as to whether children are running out into the road whereas they're not at the barriered crossings because of the barriers.</p> <p>But, mea culpa, I was somewhat (i.e. completely) wrong in my assertion! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868#post-136750 Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:14:59 +0000 gkgk 136750@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"what is it about the Jawbone that makes it so unsafe for kids that the other paths aren't?"</em></p> <p>Re traffic light crossing points, unless things have changed since google took its pictures, all (3?) of the pedestrian crossings have some barriers, and neither of the cycle crossings have any barriers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868#post-136680 Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:28:11 +0000 kaputnik 136680@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Only real issue I've had with the Argyle Place Junction is that when the No. 41 bus is waiting at bottom of the road it blocks exit from the cycling bit. It's fairly confusing with people approaching it from multiple directions but I find it generally serves to make people thread amongst each other and get on just fine. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868#post-136672 Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:52:24 +0000 wingpig 136672@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote><em>"I have never even imagined the possibility of a problem at the Argyle Place junction, one of the safest places I regularly cycle."</em></blockquote></p> <p>Even after the rejiggling of the kerbs the capacity for the kerb up to the path between Argyle Place and Meadow Place to be slippery when wet-leafed up can defeat even a spikey-tyred regular cyclist. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868#post-136656 Thu, 12 Dec 2013 12:09:16 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 136656@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>Removal of the barriers at the Jawbone - which are there, at least in part, for the safety of children using those paths.</p> <p>But, hey, let them run into the road if those barriers are getting in your way. Yep?</em>"</p> <p>But are they really? I mean there are no barriers at the end of MMW, and none off the paths at the eastern end where there is a playpark! None at the western end either. The only, one, single path which has a barrier up is at the Jawbone, so what is it about the Jawbone that makes it so unsafe for kids that the other paths aren't? There also aren't barriers on the other side of that very crossing, nor barriers on any one of the paths on the south-west section of the park. Are children running out in front of traffic willy-nilly on those paths?</p> <p>And they're not getting in 'my' way, as I mentioned, I'm with you on that path being, for me, too much of a hassle to even consider using. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868#post-136645 Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:46:37 +0000 cb 136645@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>"A path the other side of the cherry trees would be stunningly ugly."</em></p> <p>Hardly. It's not exactly HS2 through the Chilterns.</p> <p>As for removing barriers - that is supposed to be part of Edinburgh's Active Travel plan is it not (I mean in general, not specifically here)? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868#post-136644 Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:43:48 +0000 Charlethepar 136644@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Removal of the barriers at the Jawbone</em> - which are there, at least in part, for the safety of children using those paths.</p> <p>But, hey, let them run into the road if those barriers are getting in your way. Yep? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11868#post-136642 Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:37:22 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 136642@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>For the cyclist, you have the choice of <strong>powering</strong> down MMW...</em>"</p> <p>Urgh, no! Plenty posts here before (where are you SRD?) about people flying down and across the crossroads at stupid speeds given the pedestrians about. And frankly even on the segregrated bits the possibility of a pedestrian or dog suddenly running in front of you means that 'powering' through there should be the last thing you're doing.</p> <p>I'd go so far as to suggest that slow weaving on the Jawbone was actually safer and more likely to allow anticipation and reaction to matters than powering along the segregated section.</p> <p>Removal of the barriers at the Jawbone that line up to the main road would be a good de-uglifying measure, and they're merely there to corral pedestrians to maintain that 'traffic flow' (always stated that they're for safety) - get rid, and move the crossing to eactly where Jawbone comes out and you've made it look better AND got ride of a narrowed point of conflict.</p> <p>And apologies, I thought 'paths designated for pedestrians' meant you were stating that they were <em>only</em> for pedestrians. My misinterpretation. </p>