http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Tram Depot Entrance - Cone saga en Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:04:30 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11930#post-160129 Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:16:25 +0000 EdinDave 160129@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Interesting bit in the Councils own consultation document here: <a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/3576/crossings_-_draft_for_consultation" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/3576/crossings_-_draft_for_consultation</a></p> <p><strong>Dropped kerbs and paving</strong><br /> • drop kerb should be equal on both sides and be directly in line with each other<br /> <u>• The dropped kerb should be flush with the carriageway<br /> • (maximum 6mm rounded bullnose if absolutely essential)<br /> </u>• The minimum width of the flush dropped kerb should be 1.8m<br /> • Recommended width 2.4m<br /> • The maximum gradient of the dropped kerb approach should be 1/12... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11930#post-156621 Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:13:13 +0000 DaveC 156621@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A bit of guerilla concereting wouldn't go a miss!</p> <p>As for the corner cutters, I'd be tempted to buy a load of <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-27760963">these</a> and the one night drill holes in the while rumble strip and rawl plug them in. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11930#post-156614 Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:20:06 +0000 kaputnik 156614@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>surely they can grind down the rounded corners a few mm to get within tolerance? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11930#post-156611 Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:14:02 +0000 HankChief 156611@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Got a detailed response from the trams...</p> <p>0-6mm is the standard, but they have a construction tolerance of another 6mm, so 12mm total would be acceptable to them.</p> <p>They accept that this kerb it is above 12mm, but a part of it is about 12mm.</p> <p>It was picked up when they surveyed the work, but decided that as fixing it would involve digging up the road to build up the road level, which could then lead to maintenance issues if the joints failed, that they wouldn't enforce the corrective work. </p> <p>So, in summary: we have a standard, we give the contractors a bit of wiggle room and if they don't meet this, we don't enforce it. </p> <p>Doesn't send out the right message to contractors that we take adherence to standards as an essential part of the contract. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11930#post-154140 Tue, 20 May 2014 22:50:24 +0000 Nelly 154140@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Same at one side of South Gyle Approach, feels like a speed bump.</p> <p>Same contractors? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11930#post-154127 Tue, 20 May 2014 20:58:54 +0000 HankChief 154127@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'll use this thread to put up the other problem we're having with the Tram Depot Entrance.</p> <p>The Eastern most 'dropped' kerb is anything but dropped.</p> <p>I had previously raised this with CEC but the response was <em>the drop crossings at the mouth of Myreton Drive have been checked and they are within construction tolerances</em></p> <p>To be fair, they didn't explicitly say they agreed to standard, just that they within 'construction tolerances' whatever that means.</p> <p>Armed with the standards to be achieved thanks to Tulyar <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=8970#post-91956">here</a> &amp; <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12774&amp;replies=31#post-154101">here</a>, we now know that 6mm or below is what we should expect to see.</p> <p>6mm is about the width of 2 * one pound coins.</p> <p>As luck would have it I had 2 coins and so I set out tonight to see how they stacked up against the kerb.</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/np8Jqu"><img src="https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2934/14045280028_3392331a86.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/np8Jqu">Tram depot - dropped kerb?</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/people/91842878@N03/">HankChief</a>, on Flickr</p> <p><a href="https://flic.kr/p/np9aE6"><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5592/14045364917_e824953622.jpg"></a><a href="https://flic.kr/p/np9aE6">Tram depot entrance</a> by <a href="https://www.flickr.com/people/91842878@N03/">HankChief</a>, on Flickr</p> <p>Not even close...</p> <p>It will be interesting to see why CEC accept 'construction toleranaces' rather enforcing the standards... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11930#post-147887 Sat, 05 Apr 2014 17:22:06 +0000 HankChief 147887@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Good idea. Not really sure what shift patterns they work at the depot, but assume cyclists probably peak at 7.30-8.30am. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11930#post-147885 Sat, 05 Apr 2014 16:36:45 +0000 SRD 147885@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>not sure its about traffic flow, but about utter obliviousness/ignorance. which is probably worse.</p> <p>perhaps a good case for a camera mounted there one rush hour, tracking the cyclists going across, vans turning etc. ? might highlight the point? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11930#post-147884 Sat, 05 Apr 2014 16:20:34 +0000 chdot 147884@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's all about traffic flow.</p> <p>#ThisISedinburgh </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11930#post-147883 Sat, 05 Apr 2014 16:12:19 +0000 HankChief 147883@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well, the cones have now been removed as they have put in the rumble strips as promised.</p> <p>It's been about a month and already I've seen vehicles cutting off the corner again.</p> <p>I asked them what they were doing to monitor the situation and they came back with a slightly curt response that it was a traffic controlled roundabout so cyclists should just wait for gap in the traffic.</p> <p>They obviously haven't seen it at rush hour, when you have continuous traffic coming round and you are having to guess whether anyone is going to turn in (indicators seem to be optional).</p> <p>Is the van turning in? What about the car behind it? Would you cross?</p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/91842878@N03/13644583603" title="Tram depot entrance by HankChief, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7425/13644583603_fb1c21dc0d.jpg" alt="Tram depot entrance" /></a></p> <p>My problem with it is that it is too easy for vehicles to cut the corner and when the traffic is backed up, why would you wait when you can turn in early.</p> <p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/91842878@N03/13644913404" title="Tram depot entrance by HankChief, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5194/13644913404_3868605c1f.jpg" alt="Tram depot entrance" /></a></p> <p>I dawned on me that they should have put the vehicle route on the left of the entrance rather than the right. That way there wouldn't have been any incentive for vehicles to cut the corner and you would only have a short area of conflict.</p> <p>As it is, it just makes the junction dangerous. The traffic turning in is pretty infrequent so you get used to going straight across despite the danger. I only hope that there doesn't come I time when path is crossed with a 'corner cutter'.</p> <p>I've no idea how many lorries are still visiting the depot, but reinstating the cones would make it much safer. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11930#post-137862 Fri, 20 Dec 2013 21:21:29 +0000 HankChief 137862@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Thought I'd share the saga I'm having with the Council/Trams about the tram depot entrance...</p> <p>As I have mentioned <a href="http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=10951#post-122470">before</a> the entrance to Tram depot is very wide (15m) which can make it hard to cross if you are uncertain if a vehicle is turning in or not (lack of indicators / shielded by vehicle in front) and uncertain as to what line it is going to take.</p> <p><a href="https://www.google.co.uk/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d-3.323384!3d55.939808!2m2!1f20.39!2f85.22!4f15!2m9!1e1!2m4!1sQgRc8xEdCSahh3P7y3JaNQ!2e0!9m1!6sGogar+Roundabout!5m2!1sQgRc8xEdCSahh3P7y3JaNQ!2e0&amp;fid=5">Streetview</a></p> <p>I've not liked it since it has opened, but it has been made easier since the summer (having written to CEC) by 3 cones marking the out the funnel - there were previous thin bollards, but these got removed as they kept getting damaged!</p> <p>A couple of weeks ago the cones disappeared, so I wrote the council/trams again and they have since been replaced by 11 (yes eleven) cones which is just ace. And apparently they wrote a briefing to all tram staff to use the funnel - with no cones you could see the tracks where lots of different lines were taken.</p> <p>However, the response from the council is that the cones are just an interim measure before they replace the painted lines with rumble strips.</p> <p>I can't see how rumble strips will be much different from the painted lines.</p> <p>Anyone know of other examples where they work (or don't)? </p>