http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Plans for 'cycle utopia' above London's rail lines" en Mon, 18 May 2026 21:34:10 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968&page=2#post-140297 Sun, 19 Jan 2014 03:32:30 +0000 Tulyar 140297@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>PS why is part of this thread about white goods? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968&page=2#post-140296 Sun, 19 Jan 2014 03:31:10 +0000 Tulyar 140296@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>If you want to see why it won't work just visit The Barbican where they built the same stuff for pedestrians. Some of the streets in the sky schemes failed for similar reasons (Hulme etc).</p> <p>The part which should be kept is grade separation at key intersections - taking large flows of one mode or another over or under in a direct and time-efficient way. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968&page=2#post-140155 Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:03:36 +0000 crowriver 140155@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Mayor Boris has already ruled this out anyway</em></p> <p>Bit of a u-turn there brom Boris. He's only been talking this scheme up for 2 years. Now he has finally seen sense after near universal criticism from cycling groups. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968&page=2#post-140143 Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:55:20 +0000 Colonies_Chris 140143@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Boris made a big announcement just before Christmas <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boris-johnson-wants-to-delycrafy-cycling-with-913-million-plan-for-london-8523926.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boris-johnson-wants-to-delycrafy-cycling-with-913-million-plan-for-london-8523926.html</a>. Whether all the promised facilities actually materialise, only time will tell, but one quote in there suggests that he's a rare politician who really does get the idea of cycling as routine transport - ""I want to de-Lycrafy cycling. I want to make it normal, something for everyone, something you feel comfortable doing in your ordinary clothes." Maybe there is some hope. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968&page=2#post-140139 Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:15:25 +0000 Charterhall 140139@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Mayor Boris has already ruled this out anyway, stating "I don’t actually think as a cyclist it is what the city needs, what we need is more safety measures, we need better roads, we need better protection for cyclists of all kinds, we need better investment in our streets and that’s what we’re doing, and better education for cyclists and lorry drivers.”<br /> <a href="http://road.cc/content/news/106466-boris-johnson-shoots-down-fantastically-expensive%E2%80%9D-skycycle-plan-cycle-routes" rel="nofollow">http://road.cc/content/news/106466-boris-johnson-shoots-down-fantastically-expensive%E2%80%9D-skycycle-plan-cycle-routes</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968&page=2#post-140105 Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:10:06 +0000 wangi 140105@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"The Ranty Highwayman"'s view: <a href="http://therantyhighwayman.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/skycycle-ticket-to-ride-or-we-can-work.html" rel="nofollow">http://therantyhighwayman.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/skycycle-ticket-to-ride-or-we-can-work.html</a><br /> (a thoroughly worthwhile blog to follow) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968&page=2#post-140036 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:08:45 +0000 chdot 140036@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>The problem, says architect Tim Stonor of Space Syntax, Ltd., who helped design the London plan, is that segregating cyclists just perpetuates the “us vs. them” mentality</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://qz.com/166260/elevated-bike-highways-are-not-americas-future-nor-should-they-be" rel="nofollow">http://qz.com/166260/elevated-bike-highways-are-not-americas-future-nor-should-they-be</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138675 Sun, 05 Jan 2014 16:07:12 +0000 crowriver 138675@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>I prefer to collect these items myself as it is preferable to waiting in all day for a delivery man to not turn up. </em></p> <p>It depends. If your kitchen/utility room is on ground level, easily accessible with no steps to get up, and no need to carry the appliance any distance, then fair enough. We live in a top floor tenement flat with several flights of stairs to lift appliances up. So I prefer to get them delivered. The delivery men take away the old appliance too and dispose of it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138666 Sun, 05 Jan 2014 13:29:33 +0000 wee folding bike 138666@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yes, Volvo 940 wagon has had freezers, fridges tumble driers etc in the back. It's never had a washing machine. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138660 Sun, 05 Jan 2014 10:59:08 +0000 wingpig 138660@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Smaller white goods easy to transport by bike:<br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/wingpig/10176676754/"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7368/10176676754_8dea586f2f_n.jpg"></a><br /> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/wingpig/10176676754/">e2013-04-08_20-17-20_6973</a> by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/wingpig/">wingpig</a>, on Flickr </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138642 Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:27:53 +0000 wingpig 138642@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>One week into the first child's existence we brought a washing machine back from the shop in a Seicento when it died trying to wash its first load of nappies. The old one went to the tip in a car. My dad transported a fridge-freezer for us a few years ago as what would not fit in a Seicento easily fitted in an Astra estate. When we moved a wee freezer came over on a car and was then taken to and from temporary storage in our in-laws garage in Ayr via a car. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138640 Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:18:04 +0000 Kenny 138640@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em> does anyone actually still buy white goods and move them home in their own car</em></p> <p>I do.</p> <p><em> who in their right mind would move out car child seats, lift things in and out (assuming your car is big enough), risk damaging your bodywork/trim... crazy</em></p> <p>I can get a washing machine in my boot very easily, including when it is packaged up. I prefer to collect these items myself as it is preferable to waiting in all day for a delivery man to not turn up. I also feel more confident about installing these things myself than letting Joe Random install them. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138630 Sat, 04 Jan 2014 13:01:29 +0000 steveo 138630@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've not been able to move anything bulky since the first offspring arrived. Even prior to that I couldn't get the new child seat in the car without removing it's packaging! </p> <p> As you say smudge taking seats out is such a pita. It's got to the point where I've not been mtbing since my 406 died, none of my more recent cars can take a bike without dropping seats or fitting a bike rack. </p> <p>Although now you mention it the focus is a bit beat up any way so no harm in a boot rack with that... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138624 Sat, 04 Jan 2014 12:34:24 +0000 chdot 138624@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"but does anyone actually still buy white goods and move them home in their own car?"</p> <p>It's a good question, but you need to ask the ENews commenters who say 'I need my car because ...' </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138619 Sat, 04 Jan 2014 12:09:51 +0000 Smudge 138619@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I know it's a running forum joke, but does anyone actually still buy white goods and move them home in their own car? All the stuff we've bought in recent years we've had delivered to the house, and the suppliers have removed the old ones. I mean, who in their right mind would move out car child seats, lift things in and out (assuming your car is big enough), risk damaging your bodywork/trim... crazy! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138609 Sat, 04 Jan 2014 08:40:39 +0000 steveo 138609@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>How would you buy a fridge... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138607 Sat, 04 Jan 2014 07:08:23 +0000 Charterhall 138607@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And how do you pop into a shop on the way home if you're suspended up in the sky ? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138606 Sat, 04 Jan 2014 00:42:24 +0000 Snowy 138606@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Let's hope they don't take inspiration from the 1960's proposed '<a href="http://goo.gl/AZE1B">inner ring road</a>' route </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138588 Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:23:52 +0000 Charterhall 138588@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And another thing, would you feel safe using a cycle track up in fhe sky out of sight of anyone else in the town after hours ? I know I wouldn't. And there's a double whammy in this, if you decided that you'd rather not run the risk of being mugged or worse on the cycle track, I would expect provision for cyclists at ground level to be non existent. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138585 Fri, 03 Jan 2014 14:05:54 +0000 Morningsider 138585@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ha - take that Amsterdam and Copenhagen. Didn't think of this - did you!</p> <p>Wait...what did you say? This is a ridiculous idea, without any financial backing dreamed up by architecture's biggest self publicist?</p> <p>Okay, sorry about that - I probably was getting a bit carried away... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138583 Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:38:31 +0000 sallyhinch 138583@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>True, but you have to pay for the police enforcement over and over again, whereas once you've built something decent (and self-enforcing) it's there for decades. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138580 Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:33:45 +0000 steveo 138580@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Another solution is how much traffic enforcement does that buy? 200m is quite a lot of "Police Hours" You could make the roads better and safer for every one by <em>really</em> enforcing road laws. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138578 Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:13:57 +0000 crowriver 138578@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>So about 2000km of light segregation, or 200 miles of Dutch/Danish style cycle track, or 3 to 4 miles (approx.) of 'Skyride' flyover on top of railways...</p> <p>Hm. Tough choices, eh? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138559 Fri, 03 Jan 2014 11:14:25 +0000 sallyhinch 138559@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Royal College Street in London was £100,000 per km, so £200m would buy quite a lot of 'light segregation'... (dealing with junctions would presumably bump up the cost). Even at the more expensive figure of £1m per mile of proper cycle track, you'd be looking at a pretty extensive bike network. Cycling infrastructure is cheap - but only if you're prepared to take the space away from cars. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138554 Fri, 03 Jan 2014 10:40:44 +0000 kaputnik 138554@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>What would £200m of "proven" bicycle infrastructure, backed up with the political will to implement it at the expense of motorist space buy in comparison though? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138549 Fri, 03 Jan 2014 10:00:42 +0000 gibbo 138549@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>£200m? You could get a tram system that goes from Edinburgh airport to Corstorphine for that money... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138420 Tue, 31 Dec 2013 20:53:02 +0000 steveo 138420@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>On the other hand, £200m is cheap compared to other public transport enchantments. Viewed as an alternative to road building or a new tube line, it's neither that mad or that expensive. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138417 Tue, 31 Dec 2013 17:57:20 +0000 Cyclops 138417@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"would take about 20 years to complete"</p> <p>Good to see they'd be giving it top priority. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138415 Tue, 31 Dec 2013 16:55:03 +0000 Charterhall 138415@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Something as expensive as this is going to need a commercial sponsor. I wonder if they have anyone in mind ? Would certainly bring a whole new meaning to the Skyride. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=11968#post-138395 Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:44:24 +0000 Kenny 138395@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Alternatively, maybe they have come up with this ridiculous "solution" to justify taking space away from motorists. If people see that the alternatives are crazy, other ideas seem more sane. </p>