http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Crackdown on cyclists who use pavement" en Mon, 18 May 2026 20:58:59 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006&page=2#post-143030 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 23:12:58 +0000 Morningsider 143030@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The park roads in Richmond Park have a speed limit of 20mph (30mph prior to 2004), there is no speed limit on the shared use paths - although the Royal Parks Cycling Policy advises cyclists to travel at a "sensible speed" on these paths.</p> <p>The Park Regulations do prohibit anyone from cycling "in any manner that endangers or is likely to endanger any person" - which could cover just about anything.</p> <p>Details: The Royal Parks and Other Open Spaces Regulations 1997, as amended. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006&page=2#post-143021 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:22:22 +0000 gembo 143021@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The fine was during a police crackdown. Will get exact speed if this is needed. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006&page=2#post-143019 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:02:51 +0000 stiltskin 143019@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I was under the impression that Richmond Park had a limit of 20mph </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006&page=2#post-143017 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:14:50 +0000 gembo 143017@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The 6mph speed limit on canal?or canal towpath often discussed on this forum too, though I have never heard of this being enforced? My pal was caught in a police crackdown on all vehicles. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006&page=2#post-143016 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:06:38 +0000 gembo 143016@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>He was on a bicycle, he paid his on the spot fine with equanimity. He is one of the slowest cyclists in the park. Which imparts a certain piquant irony to the tale. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006&page=2#post-143014 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:04:26 +0000 Stickman 143014@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I watched the documentary about David Weir (paralympian) and I thought that he trained in Richmond Park with cyclists pacing him? Would he be breaking 12mph? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006&page=2#post-143010 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:48:45 +0000 sg37409 143010@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>&gt;&gt; My pal was fined for breaking the speed limit in Richmond prk london shire 12mph </p> <p>Assuming he was, regardless of his mode of transport, this is a good thing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006&page=2#post-142972 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:27:21 +0000 gembo 142972@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>My pal was fined for breaking the speed limit in Richmond prk london shire 12mph</p> <p>I was boxed in at Scotmid by a mobility shopper just there</p> <p>Takes all sorts </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006&page=2#post-142967 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:01:54 +0000 algo 142967@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Unfortunately despite all attempts to cycle considerately, I have encountered some disapproval from pedestrians on shared use paths - on the prom and also on the path running between Melville Drive and Melville Terrace, which is also marked as shared use (but it only has a sign to that effect at one end) - I use this when transporting child - I use the road when on my own and going faster. It can be a bit infuriating that as cyclists we have to defend our actions to both pedestrians and car drivers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006&page=2#post-142966 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:51:37 +0000 fimm 142966@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I read on some bit of the internet somewhere a wonderful story from a woman who stopped her bicycle to ask two other women who were standing blocking her path if she could get through, please. The cyclist was treated to a rant from one of the other women about cycling on the pavements etc, to which she responded by silently pointing to the large painting of a bicycle that the ranter <em>was standing on</em>... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006&page=2#post-142962 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:52:38 +0000 Morningsider 142962@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It is perfectly legal to cycle along the prom, under access rights granted by the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003. There is no speed limit for cyclists on the prom (or anywhere else for that matter) - although cycling at high speed on such a route could possibly be considered as careless or inconsiderate cycling, which is an offence. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006&page=2#post-142961 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:44:26 +0000 ARobComp 142961@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>hmmm I was going about walking speed whenever I passed anyone... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006&page=2#post-142960 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:44:09 +0000 kaputnik 142960@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>But I was under the impression I'm find cycling there especially as I was being super cautious. Am I right? </em></p> <p>Yes you are, and there are "responsible shared use" signs up to this effect on various locations on the prom. These cannot mandate for individual snarkiness however.</p> <p>I recently had a woman make a comment as I passed on the shared pavement between the end of the prom and Seafield Road about "cyclists on the pavement" and that I "shouldn't be there" - you know, the sort of comment that's made as deliberately loud private conversation, with the actual intention being it is overheard by the #bloodycyclist, so I stopped, pointed at the big blue signs on the lamp posts, smiled and shouted "shared use!". Wonder if it sank in? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006&page=2#post-142958 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:37:25 +0000 gembo 142958@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe there is a speed limit on the prom, that would make sense to me as it is a shared use promenade. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-142955 Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:22:02 +0000 ARobComp 142955@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Quick Question. </p> <p>I was out for a longish night ride last night and decided to mooch along porty promenade. I went relatively fast except when there was ANYONE around at which point I slowed right down. I also had my spot pointing straight down and a flasher on the front. </p> <p>I went past plenty of people and quite enjoyed the community atmosphere. As I was passing that arcade thing I passed a small family with a wee lad on his bike with stabalisers. I passed on the wall side where there was less space but also less erratic child cycling. </p> <p>I think the mum made some osrt of nasty comment about me being there. I didn't quite hear as I had headphones in. But I was under the impression I'm find cycling there especially as I was being super cautious. Am I right? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-139069 Thu, 09 Jan 2014 10:49:35 +0000 Morningsider 139069@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>You can legally cycle across a footway or footpath - I'm pretty sure you could argue that crossing a pavement at an angle is covered by this, although I would think that anything more a few metres is likely to be considered cycling along a pavement as opposed to across it.</p> <p>See - Roads (Scotland) Act 1984, Section 129(5)(a) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-139055 Thu, 09 Jan 2014 09:30:38 +0000 EddieD 139055@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>FWIW I used to see* a couple of cycle cops who go round Bristo Square, and then use 5ish meters of pavement before bumping off the kerb at the taxi rank outside the Medical School.</p> <p>*My office has moved, so I can't see that bit of Bristo anymore. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-139026 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 22:37:12 +0000 allebong 139026@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Confession time for me as well. I regularly use 5m or so of pavement at the WoL path crossing at Stenhouse/Saughton <a href="https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&amp;ll=55.930402,-3.255067&amp;spn=0.000629,0.001742&amp;t=h&amp;z=20&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=55.930402,-3.255067&amp;panoid=NxM-C5xalw_WkB-ym0Zqig&amp;cbp=12,321.72,,0,13.58">here</a>. The path that goes straight on following the river isn't much fun. Rough surface, slippy when wet, often busy with peds/dogs and ends with either having to drop down a kerb or going onto another dodgy bit of the path down the back of the river/shops at Chesser.</p> <p>Simply going left and down the road bypasses all that and takes you to Fords road much easier. I do think though, if I cross at a green man there anyone in a car would see me disappear behind like I was riding carefree on the pavement, if they didn't see me turn off on the road. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-139023 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 22:13:53 +0000 ARobComp 139023@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Nelly I similarly use about 5m-25m of pavement daily. I am a horrible person. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-139022 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 22:02:47 +0000 gembo 139022@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Oops that should have read,,I stopped to let him through, it is all me me me with me. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-139020 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 21:55:06 +0000 Nelly 139020@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>SRD - absolutely, it is hardly the menace that these people state (as we have asked many times, how many injuries <em>are</em> caused by bike on ped incidents I wonder?)</p> <p>And let me state (a-la Gembo) that I am not without sin here - I use about 10 feet of pavement every day to ease my journey - and have managed to never knock down a pensioner ;-) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-139019 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 21:44:52 +0000 gembo 139019@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Today I was cycling up the ginnel at the side of the White Horse pub - many huge bins. Pedestrian coming towards me. I stopped to let me through. He thanked me for my courtesy but waved me through. a lovely exchange of pleasantries. I did then cross the pavement on the royal mile but very carefully. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-139015 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 21:29:37 +0000 SRD 139015@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Agree nelly. I just don't see how it can possibly be as common as EEN commentators and community councillors appear to believe it is. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-139013 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 21:24:23 +0000 Nelly 139013@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I dont agree with the nutter EEN commentators - but there are a minority of cyclists who do use pavements in what could sometimes be construed an inconsiderate manner - and I am not talking about people 'mistaking a pavement for a shared use path' either.</p> <p>And - unpopular if this statement might be here - it is getting more noticeable (I saw two this evening - Edin Park and Newington).</p> <p>I dont think the paper stories are helpful as they propogate the car v bike stuff, however we cant be blind to poor cycling as it just gives the trolls ammo. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-138997 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 18:57:15 +0000 Cyclops 138997@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It's amazing that despite all these "near misses", that must surely number in the thousands daily if the EEN comments are to be believed, there are very few or possibly even no reports of collisions. Either these pavement cyclists must have superb bike handling or the pedestrians the reflexes of a ninja. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-138990 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 17:37:20 +0000 PS 138990@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That first comment refers to pretty normal behaviour from certains folks on shared use paths. Seen it on Middle Meadow Walk (memorably on the way to POP2) and on the canal path going through Wester Hailes. It attempts to cry "I know my rights" but, as it tends to be directed at perfectly considerate cyclists, instead says "I'm an anti-social tool". </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-138987 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 17:27:04 +0000 Roibeard 138987@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@DaveC - it may even extend to those that carry their bicycles...</p> <p><a href="http://www.ralphsmyth.me.uk/citycyclists/walkways.html">in parts of London</a>!</p> <p>Robert </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-138981 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 16:49:18 +0000 Wilmington's Cow 138981@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yeah, that first comment is basically saying "Even if I could get out of the way of a cyclist I won't, and more so will deliberately try to act to make them fall off." Basically admitting to attempted assault... Yes, pavement cycling is wrong, but violence in response ain't the answer.</p> <p>"<em>CRAZY,CRAZY,CRAZY. Why is it illegal to cycle on pavements but not illegal to cycle on the promenade at Portobello. Every weekend whilst walking along the prom you can witness many 'near misses'. <strong>Cyclist travel along the prom at high speed knowing that they will be safe with their helmets on if they hit a pedestrian</strong>. Why did the police change the rules so that it is now legal to cycle on the prom but not on the pavement. CRAZY!!!!</em>"</p> <p>I really still don't get this thinking. People genuinely seem to believe that as cyclists we actually don't care if we hit people and fall off. I really don't want to fall off, it hurts (whether wearibng a helmet or not - my helmet did nothing for the arm I broke coming off my bike at the cycle speedway).</p> <p>The other aspect of the prom is... Well I'm nearby, I've walked and cycled on it a lot. And I've seen a couple of riders going a little too fast, but posts like this suggest there are pedestrians scattering left, right and centre, which <em>just isn't true</em>. People will onyl see what they want to see.</p> <p>Stop reading the comments... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-138980 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 16:45:59 +0000 DaveC 138980@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"Crackdown on cyclists who use pavement"</p> <p>So I presume this extends to cyclists walking their bicycles along the pavement? ;O) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12006#post-138979 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 16:37:53 +0000 algo 138979@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>although the first comment to that is a bit menacing:</p> <p>"Fit and able pedestrians need to take action against selfish cyclists"</p> <p>inciting rule of the mob, and as has been pointed out - often people object to considerate cycling on shared use paths and the objection is ill-informed.... </p>