http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Why we need independent, published reports on road crashes (like the railway doe en Mon, 18 May 2026 10:50:42 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12068#post-140785 Fri, 24 Jan 2014 18:25:01 +0000 le_soigneur 140785@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Starting a lottery on how many hours community service <a href="http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/pensioner-killed-by-reversing-car-is-named-1-3280934">this one</a> gets? Will it be similar to Gary McCourt, but without the ban? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12068#post-140293 Sun, 19 Jan 2014 02:45:44 +0000 Tulyar 140293@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Yep place a small, short island on main road, move junction marker line back to provide width for island.</p> <p>Island needs to be short so that right turn from lane can be made, and left turn also in to lane, needs to swing over into lane facing traffic </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12068#post-140288 Sat, 18 Jan 2014 19:56:33 +0000 Dave 140288@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Look on the bright side, suspended sentence and 12 month ban is quite severe for such a killing.</p> <p>See <a href="http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=50829">here</a> for ten pages (!) of lenient sentencing reports. The latest: "A short-sighted motorist who was not wearing his glasses when he mowed down and killed a dog-walker on a pedestrian crossing has received 140 hours community service... he could only read a registration plate seven feet away" </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12068#post-140285 Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:39:12 +0000 Kenny 140285@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"He was just over the line"</p> <p><em>Just</em>? What a terrible thing for the defending lawyer to say. Is he trying to say that this was a minor infringement and therefore should not be deemed serious? Sounds like he's shrugging his shoulders and saying "so what? He was just over the line - big deal!".</p> <p>This is the junction. No need that I can see to be over the white line:</p> <p><a href="http://goo.gl/maps/0xYsj" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/maps/0xYsj</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12068#post-140281 Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:35:23 +0000 crowriver 140281@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Ah, but given the sheer number of incidents, such a rigorous procedure would doubtless be "too expensive", ie. life is cheap on the roads. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12068#post-140279 Sat, 18 Jan 2014 17:23:26 +0000 Tulyar 140279@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Contrast the reports into rail crashes, impartial, non judgemental, and published with a list of learning points and recommended (ie 'almost mandated'). Reports by Police and insurers into road crashes are not published, and have a pretext of allocating blame &amp; liabilities, and do not clearly list learning points and recommendations (almost mandatory for action). </p> <p><a href="http://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/latest-news/suspended-sentence-for-driver-after-cyclist-killed-1-5816828" rel="nofollow">http://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/latest-news/suspended-sentence-for-driver-after-cyclist-killed-1-5816828</a></p> <p>Words fail - driver cuts corner hits and kills cyclist "He came out of nowhere" - pardon me but what would you normally expect driving on the wrong side of the road other than traffic coming towards you?</p> <p>Then the Police report noted that 50% of drivers cut the corner - and everyone leaves it as that. Where is the roads authority's delivery of their statutory duty for providing a safe road for all users? Why aren't the Police and Coroner making a recommendation for changing the road design - even something as simple as a traffic island to stop drivers cutting the corner?</p> <p>Clearly with 50% of drivers delivering a hazard with potentially fatal results every time someone is coming the other way... remove the hazard and block the ability to cut the corner. </p> <p>Just an example but some of the cycling money might be well spent on proper crash investigatons </p>