http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Cycle Network en Thu, 14 May 2026 05:26:50 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=13#post-382338 Sun, 07 Dec 2025 17:38:44 +0000 wingpig 382338@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>Now, who do I speak to about royalties?</blockquote></p> <p>Although OCR seems to be one of the things the LLM robot we have at work can't do very well (at least not without errors that they don't notice until they're pointed out), maybe one of them could strip the data out of <a href="https://www.innertubemap.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.innertubemap.com/</a> to avoid haivng to re-define it all, unless that's the fun bit?</p> <p>I never go past either end of nor along the Vennel (line 5) without fondly remembering the imaginary network. Similarly I can't go anywhere near Dovecot Road or the Pinkhill path (lines 7R, 22G and 22Y) without wondering where the shops are, or if I'm still allowed to go to the zoo. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=13#post-382337 Sun, 07 Dec 2025 17:15:20 +0000 chdot 382337@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Maybe Edinburgh’s loss was London’s gain…</p> <p>“</p> <p>Nobody should be put off by Parker’s development proposals. A major question in cycle campaigning is how best to spend available funds. The centrepiece of Parker’s project is his conviction (which I explain here) that new cycling investment in London will tend to be most impactful when it contributes to a network of signed and mapped cycle routes. </p> <p>Potentially, Parker’s road map (or something similar to it) could also help cyclists plan journeys. At present, the network is incomplete; so Parker’s road map should not be used as a route planner. However, on the back of sensible decisions being made about the development of Parker’s network, road markings and signs should be positioned on the streets corresponding to his London Cycle Map. The signs and markings would enable cyclists to follow the routes on Parker’s network; in turn, this would enable people to cycle from anywhere to anywhere in the capital by following (in most cases) just a few trails of colour. Obviously, this would be a huge improvement on the present situation, wherein a journey across the capital requires cyclists to remember hundreds of turn rights and turn lefts. </p> <p>“</p> <p><a href="https://www.cyclelifestyle.co.uk/blog/road-map-showing-london-cycle-map-routes" rel="nofollow">https://www.cyclelifestyle.co.uk/blog/road-map-showing-london-cycle-map-routes</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=13#post-382336 Sun, 07 Dec 2025 16:13:21 +0000 bakky 382336@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>It was the @le_soigneur Shakespearian round-up that did it for me. What a journey.</p> <p>Only tangentially related, but did remind me I started poking this together using 'Metro Designer' at some point recently, and will probably keep fleshing it out for my own amusement. Mostly limited to hard segregated infra except where there are wee spurs to key destinations (and also potentially CEC QuietRoutes).</p> <p><a href="https://freeimage.host/i/fuw8BQ1"><img src="https://iili.io/fuw8BQ1.md.png"></a></p> <p>Now, who do I speak to about royalties? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=13#post-382327 Sun, 07 Dec 2025 09:58:26 +0000 gembo 382327@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>In the spirit of Christmas I necrobump this totallly whacky thread. @SRD introduces us to Simon and his “niece Tilly” though there is another thread somewhere with SImon claiming men and women follow road signs differently that didnt end well for him either where he has to ask SRD - Is that a compliment - I dont think it is. @le soigneur gives a good summary in play form at page 11 and@dessert rat picks the 3 best quotes page12 whilst Morningsider Leaves about page 5 of this. Guff we all fell. Into engaging with, he comes off the bench page 11 which Made my heart sing </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-374375 Wed, 03 Apr 2024 16:51:03 +0000 wingpig 374375@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"<em>...it won’t happen...</em>"</p> <p>Is that why the safe-ish right-turn ASL box from Charlotte Square into George Street has disappeared and the new bike lane doesn't have an obvious splitter? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-372472 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 17:50:32 +0000 chdot 372472@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>“haven’t even started to build anything on George St”</p> <p>I was hearing today, ‘reliable’ (non CEC) sources that it won’t happen - money. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-372470 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 14:05:03 +0000 neddie 372470@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Utterly rule 2 depressing. I was a lot more positive 9 years ago. But the climate emergency has emphasised the need for rapid structural change - incremental improvements are not enough. </p> <p>And yet NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-372469 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 14:03:06 +0000 neddie 372469@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote> It looks like the next year or so will be quite exciting for cycling in Edinburgh - with plans for George Street and the cross city cycle route being developed.</blockquote> - Morningsider, <strong>9 years ago</strong></p> <p>We got a bit of circuitous, compromised and discontinuous cross-city cycle route and they haven’t even started to build anything on George St </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-372466 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 12:58:18 +0000 gembo 372466@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Stop being horrid about my uncle </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-372453 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 23:21:50 +0000 neddie 372453@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This thread is a depressing reminder of how little progress has been made on Edinburgh’s infrastructure in the last 9 years </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-372450 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 21:29:26 +0000 mcairney 372450@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Well this was unhinged. I wonder if there really is a Tilly dishing out 'ponage' </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-372445 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:02:39 +0000 dessert rat 372445@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I think my fav quotes are:</p> <p><strong>First place</strong>: I'm sorry, but I've gone from thinking this is a great idea to thinking it is completely ludicrous.</p> <p><strong>Close second</strong>: This thread reads like the script of a Turing test on a very good chatbot written by a bicyclist.</p> <p><strong>Commendable third</strong>: It looks mostly like a map of Edinburgh's main roads.</p> <p>Are these royalties in the room with us now? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-372436 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 18:49:37 +0000 Arellcat 372436@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I still wonder if he was trying to crowdfund part of a PhD thesis or something.</p> <p>Thing is, we've had eight or nine years since this remarkable discussion and I wonder whether the wayfinding element of Simon's Amazing Map would actually work now with one's phone stuck on the handlebars (whether or not the traffic was amenable). And, I further wonder whether the long fought for CCWEL follows any of his predictions. We sure don't have much else! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-372435 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 18:12:39 +0000 Dave 372435@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Must have missed this at the time, what a goldmine this forum is! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-372431 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 13:30:10 +0000 Arellcat 372431@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>It can scarcely be denied that the supreme goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate representation of a single datum of experience. (Albert Einstein)</blockquote></p> <p>Rule 3 should be that anyone mentioning or even posting in this thread has to preface their post with some random and allegedly relevant quotation from history. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-372427 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 13:04:58 +0000 SRD 372427@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>how did we end up back here?!</p> <p>(also, I had forgotten it was all my fault). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-372426 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 12:27:40 +0000 Morningsider 372426@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Grrr - I was actually trying to get some work done this morning! Now wasted ages skimming through possibly CCEs maddest thread. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-372425 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 11:09:31 +0000 dessert rat 372425@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>before my time - but that was a wild read.</p> <p>Given Simon stomped off in the cream puff, does it mean there's a dormant acct somewhere full of unclaimed royalties that we can use to pay for PY buns? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-290732 Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:07:37 +0000 chdot 290732@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Which is fine, but there seems to an underlying conceit that these measures would make existing traffic disappear. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-290720 Mon, 10 Sep 2018 07:08:37 +0000 wingpig 290720@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Big paint blobs on the road and coloured lollipops atop poles, with lots of different numbers, for use after reading the "how to use this map" section. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-290719 Mon, 10 Sep 2018 00:50:00 +0000 chdot 290719@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/116mcd/status/1038884242472820737" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/116mcd/status/1038884242472820737</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-290689 Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:08:42 +0000 gembo 290689@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Still making no sense to me </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-290688 Sun, 09 Sep 2018 15:53:57 +0000 chdot 290688@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Still going -</p> <p><a href="http://www.cyclelifestyle.co.uk/london-cycle-map" rel="nofollow">http://www.cyclelifestyle.co.uk/london-cycle-map</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-235238 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 17:28:40 +0000 crowriver 235238@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>A modest but very nice addition to the shared use path network has been added at the eastern end of Portobello Park and Golf Course, providing a safe and pleasant route top school for pupils attending the new Portobello High School, and also for dig walkers, joggers and cyclists. It links up with the route across Milton Road towards the Bingham section of the Innocent east west link, and northwards to the footbridge over the East Coast main line and A1, thence to Portobello proper.</p> <p>I paid a brief visit by bike this afternoon while surveying the newly completed school. Very pleasant it was too: nice and wide for the most part, great surfaces, well designed. I was also very encouraged by the large number of bikes locked up in the bike parking at the school: looks like they may need more bike parking! Less encouraging was the very full car park: presumably mostly cars driven by teaching staff... Speaking of which, the path crosses the entrance to this car park, which is less than ideal frankly and a recipe for future conflict or collisions.</p> <p>Overall though, great to see and perfect for a sunny, crisp afternoon.</p> <p><a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/crowrivernet/media/IMG_3695_zpspbtyp1x8.jpg.html"><img src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/crowrivernet/th_IMG_3695_zpspbtyp1x8.jpg" alt=" photo IMG_3695_zpspbtyp1x8.jpg" /></a></p> <p><a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/crowrivernet/media/IMG_3697_zps0itngjtt.jpg.html"><img src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/crowrivernet/th_IMG_3697_zps0itngjtt.jpg" alt=" photo IMG_3697_zps0itngjtt.jpg" /></a></p> <p><a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/crowrivernet/media/IMG_3707_zpssyi5xxyw.jpg.html"><img src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/crowrivernet/th_IMG_3707_zpssyi5xxyw.jpg" alt=" photo IMG_3707_zpssyi5xxyw.jpg" /></a></p> <p><a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/crowrivernet/media/IMG_3709_zpsfxg19y6i.jpg.html"><img src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/crowrivernet/th_IMG_3709_zpsfxg19y6i.jpg" alt=" photo IMG_3709_zpsfxg19y6i.jpg" /></a></p> <p><a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/crowrivernet/media/IMG_3714_zpsazvzgy9n.jpg.html"><img src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/crowrivernet/th_IMG_3714_zpsazvzgy9n.jpg" alt=" photo IMG_3714_zpsazvzgy9n.jpg" /></a></p> <p><a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/crowrivernet/media/IMG_3717_zpswtrredh7.jpg.html"><img src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/crowrivernet/th_IMG_3717_zpswtrredh7.jpg" alt=" photo IMG_3717_zpswtrredh7.jpg" /></a></p> <p><a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/crowrivernet/media/IMG_3727_zpsspzabje4.jpg.html"><img src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/crowrivernet/th_IMG_3727_zpsspzabje4.jpg" alt=" photo IMG_3727_zpsspzabje4.jpg" /></a></p> <p><a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/crowrivernet/media/IMG_3730_zps3xbjugfp.jpg.html"><img src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/crowrivernet/th_IMG_3730_zps3xbjugfp.jpg" alt=" photo IMG_3730_zps3xbjugfp.jpg" /></a></p> <p><a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/crowrivernet/media/IMG_3731_zpsivczeof8.jpg.html"><img src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/crowrivernet/th_IMG_3731_zpsivczeof8.jpg" alt=" photo IMG_3731_zpsivczeof8.jpg" /></a></p> <p><a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/crowrivernet/media/IMG_3744_zpswgts8ea5.jpg.html"><img src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/crowrivernet/th_IMG_3744_zpswgts8ea5.jpg" alt=" photo IMG_3744_zpswgts8ea5.jpg" /></a></p> <p><a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/crowrivernet/media/IMG_3741_zpsszgs37xw.jpg.html"><img src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/crowrivernet/th_IMG_3741_zpsszgs37xw.jpg" alt=" photo IMG_3741_zpsszgs37xw.jpg" /></a></p> <p><a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/crowrivernet/media/IMG_3743_zpsuhca7zyw.jpg.html"><img src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/crowrivernet/th_IMG_3743_zpsuhca7zyw.jpg" alt=" photo IMG_3743_zpsuhca7zyw.jpg" /></a></p> <p><a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/user/crowrivernet/media/IMG_3745_zpsjzkusipd.jpg.html"><img src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m55/crowrivernet/th_IMG_3745_zpsjzkusipd.jpg" alt=" photo IMG_3745_zpsjzkusipd.jpg" /></a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-186536 Wed, 22 Apr 2015 08:24:03 +0000 chdot 186536@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><img src="https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7602/17045607239_b19f5b027c.jpg"></p> <p>"</p> <p>Lisboa Horizontal is a project proposal for a logical network of flat cycling tracks for the city of Lisbon. We propose safe and secure cycling tracks with a maximal inclination of 4%, visible in the streets, connecting the principal areas of Lisbon, following the logic of the metro lines.</p> <p>"</p> <p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/kdshoqe" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/kdshoqe</a></p> <p><a href="https://vimeo.com/122324287" rel="nofollow">https://vimeo.com/122324287</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-160633 Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:03:38 +0000 wingpig 160633@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Or the NEPN. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-160632 Tue, 29 Jul 2014 23:01:43 +0000 chdot 160632@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"</p> <p>The most prevalent view was that isolated cycle facilities may get all the kudos, but it was the lack of connections between these facilities that was the cause of the greatest frustration.</p> <p>"</p> <p>Sounds like George St... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-160631 Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:55:54 +0000 wingpig 160631@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://bikemapper.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/five-steps-eight-reasons.html" rel="nofollow">http://bikemapper.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/five-steps-eight-reasons.html</a></p> <p>"Introduce." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-146502 Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:32:55 +0000 Arellcat 146502@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm conscious of this:</p> <p><a href="http://www.cyclelifestyle.co.uk/london-cycle-map" rel="nofollow">http://www.cyclelifestyle.co.uk/london-cycle-map</a></p> <p>and despite the prettiness of it and the friendly similarity to other maps, I'm still bemused by how to <em>use</em> Simon's earlier work. What is a map like that actually <em>telling</em> me? What is it helping me to do? Coloured lines don't help if you don't know the lay of the land well enough not to have to stop at every junction to look at the map.</p> <p>Since I was cycling in That London last week, I had to plan how to get from A to B.</p> <p>1) OpenCycleMap told me where the cycle routes were, which roads were one-way, and where the little cut-throughs existed.<br /> 2) Streetview told me what junctions were tricky.</p> <p>I spent two or three hours on (1) and (2).</p> <p>3) I made up my own route, based partly on previous experience and partly on seat-of-the-pants riding on the day. It turns out I'm slightly better at that style of ad hoc navigating than I think I am.<br /> 4) I programmed my routes into my GPS for me to follow (exactly, or approximately).</p> <p>I could have used cyclestreets.net perhaps, but I wanted to be able to use the bits of London routes that I already knew. I was also doing some fairly specific and time-limited journeys, with the exception of a dash from Shadwell back to to King's Cross, for which I followed a handy guide (Tulyar, as it happened).</p> <p>In my opinion the Inner Tube map is well conceived because it restricts its information to routes that you can follow more or less without having to think. It's like coming off a motorway and navigating through a town to get to another motorway. As soon as you have to think how to use a route, or to get from one to another, either the map becomes cluttered with 'recommended routes' or you put signs everywhere so that people can work it out for themselves on the day. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12143&page=12#post-146484 Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:20:37 +0000 I were right about that saddle 146484@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"the ongoing grind that is successful cycle campaigning"</p> <p>To be fair to Mr Parker, he did leaven the mix of the ongoing grind. Man cannot live by dropped kerbs alone, and I shall miss this thread. The image of the City of Edinburgh Cooncil as a South Pacific cargo cult (wooden headphones - genius!) is one that should last me a while. </p>