http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: Today's rubbish pedestrians en Wed, 13 May 2026 05:34:04 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=8#post-372835 Thu, 11 Jan 2024 23:24:04 +0000 the canuck 372835@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>"That's because most visitors coming from civilised continental cities would expect that a street like the Royal Mile would be fully pedestrianised"</p> <p>True, but in the first place, I'm not sure how the city would cope if the North Bridge was a decorative feature--if all of the Royal Mile was blocked, there would be a heck of a lot of delivery and public transport forced to the East and West ends--those are already quite quite congested. </p> <p>In the second, I was referring to the northern end, Princes street--sorry, didn't make that clear.<br /> In general, I did notice over the summer that the ability to observe lights seemed to have deteriorated. I don't remember it being that bad in previous summers. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=8#post-371924 Sat, 25 Nov 2023 11:25:00 +0000 mcairney 371924@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I'm not sure if this is an over-reaction on my part but when doing laps round Arthur's Seat I had a jogger in the middle of the road on the downhill from the high road to the roundabout jogging right down the middle (as in on what would have been the dividing line between 2 lanes) with their dog jogging alongside on the pavement. Very difficult to pass safely with a satisfactory passing distance and the gradient made slowing down sufficiently difficult as well, particularly as I'd already picked up a decent amount of speed at the point where he'd became visible. I've got no issue with pedestrians using the road when it's closed to traffic but at least leave enough room for other people to pass you safely!! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=8#post-369815 Fri, 18 Aug 2023 16:44:43 +0000 neddie 369815@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>That's because most visitors coming from civilised continental cities <em>would expect</em> that a street like the Royal Mile would be fully pedestrianised </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=8#post-369814 Fri, 18 Aug 2023 16:40:24 +0000 the canuck 369814@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>All of them. I'm coming home across the North Bridge this month, and the number of people who appear genuinely shocked that cyclists and drivers expect to move on a green light... </p> <p>I could understand if they'd started crossing on a green man and then the drivers were honking, but no, they haven't checked (or checked but went anyway), and the drivers should be grateful to cyclists for weaving through the walkers and getting the message across gently (and safely). </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=8#post-369808 Fri, 18 Aug 2023 12:53:27 +0000 cb 369808@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I can recognise a few of these:</p> <p><a href="https://youtube.com/shorts/dehop4T13Uk?feature=share">https://youtube.com/shorts/dehop4T13Uk?feature=share</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=8#post-367223 Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:42:46 +0000 mcairney 367223@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Old woman walking her dog up Arthur’s Seat standing in the middle of the road holding a ball while said dog was snuggling around the undergrowth at the side of the road. Didn’t really cause me too much trouble but this was at lunchtime when the road is open to motorists! </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=8#post-367222 Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:05:57 +0000 Frenchy 367222@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Pedestrian crossing Comiston Road this morning patronisingly expressed his gratitude and amazement that I had stopped at the red light. Apparently I <em>wouldn't believe</em> how many cyclists jump red lights.</p> <p>Very not sure how being such a condescending [rule 2] about it to someone who has stopped is at all helpful to his cause. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=8#post-349422 Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:26:33 +0000 mga 349422@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Saw a woman run directly into the path of a cyclist on North Meadow Walk causing a minor collision. Cyclist got verbals from her partner and other bystanders as they cycled away despite it not being their fault. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=8#post-347106 Mon, 22 Feb 2021 21:22:01 +0000 CocoShepherd 347106@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Enjoying a nice ride this afternoon with the warm sun on my back. Cruising slowly along the shared use NCN route 764 as I dodged dogs on and off leads, kids with balls, pedestrians with headphones etc. Until I begin to approach a pair of peds from behind. "Excuse me" I say at a carefully chosen volume so that they could hear me but weren't alarmed or scared. They both turned round having heard me and one stepped in towards the left hand side as I slowly passed. Happy that the three of us had successfully negotiated a passing without incident I was off on my merry way until one of them shouted "Oi, where's your bell?".</p> <p>Bugged me for the rest of the ride for all sorts of reasons. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-331868 Fri, 12 Jun 2020 17:50:13 +0000 dessert rat 331868@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>This. 100% this. How can people not realise.</p> <p><blockquote>The next biggest gripe was two people walking along together who would separate to opposite sides of the 10ft wide track leaving a ~6ft gap for me to walk through. If they'd both moved to the same side then there'd have been plenty of space to pass safely.</blockquote> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-331865 Fri, 12 Jun 2020 17:35:02 +0000 gembo 331865@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ejstubbs</p> <p>You might want to try some of the further out hills East Cairn/ West Cairn/Craigengar in the SW Pentlands</p> <p>There is nobody there. </p> <p>From your end drive down to Dunsyre? Or Carlops/West Linton/Nine Mile Burn?? </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-331862 Fri, 12 Jun 2020 17:22:43 +0000 ejstubbs 331862@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Walking through Blackford Glen/Hermitage of Braid yesterday, you could easily have got the impression that social distancing has been officially cancelled. Apart, that is, from the notices posted along the main track trying to re-emphasise the message.</p> <p>The biggest issue seemed to be groups of people walking together apparently unable, unwilling or just too stupid to drop in to single file when passing someone coming the other way. (Actually this sort of behaviour was not <u>un</u>common during normal times when encountering groups of people walking along the pavement. And it annoyed me then, too. I suppose the risk of having to step out in to the carriageway simply to get past might be <em>roughly</em> equivalent to that of contracting or passing on COVID-19 to a random, untraceable passer-by?)</p> <p>The next biggest gripe was two people walking along together who would separate to opposite sides of the 10ft wide track leaving a ~6ft gap for me to walk through. If they'd both moved to the same side then there'd have been plenty of space to pass safely.</p> <p>The third annoyance was parents with unruly bands of offspring making no effort to keep their darlings under control and, more specifically, out of other people's way. Again, not <u>un</u>common outside of lockdown but particularly culpable in the present circumstances.</p> <p>And last but by no means least: runners who, when faced with pedestrians ahead passing each other in opposite directions at a safe distance, seemed unable to drop their pace a fraction until there was a safe gap to pass each group in turn, but just barged on through between both. I swear one only just missed brushing my shoulder by an inch or two.</p> <p>Today at Flotterstone instances of similar unhelpful behaviour were observed, although it wasn't quite as busy as the Hermitage was yesterday.</p> <p>(Sadly, I did see one or two folks on bikes also committing some of the above solecisms. But it was only a few. I suspect that cyclists tend to be more aware of the traffic, of whatever kind, they are sharing a space with in any case. It does seem that rather too many folks partially disconnect their brains when moving about on foot, especially if they are engrossed in a fascinating conversation with their companions - or have their eyes glued to their phone.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-327277 Thu, 09 Apr 2020 11:34:31 +0000 Ed1 327277@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I wonder what is happening with the Newtown shared private gardens the ones exempt from the access code where residents have a key </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-327275 Thu, 09 Apr 2020 11:27:42 +0000 ARobComp 327275@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There is a lot of finger pointing going on in colinton especially at people driving up to park on Bonaly Road to access the hills despite the car parks being closed, of course while accessing the pentlands on foot at the same time. While I agree to a certain extent that people shouldn't be driving to exercise, I also think that potentially many will be older people from Colinton driving to walk their dogs in the hills as they do most days anyway. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-327274 Thu, 09 Apr 2020 11:24:56 +0000 gembo 327274@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Or how poverty forces you together in this country and in Indian cities etc.</p> <p>Lucky to be able to socially isolate in a big house with a big garden and the countryside on my doorstep </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-327254 Thu, 09 Apr 2020 09:12:10 +0000 the canuck 327254@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I've heard a lot of snobbery about outdoor use from people who (like me) live in a comfortable house with private outdoor space. I've spent almost no time on the paths or streets--I don't need to.</p> <p>But a father and child in Ottawa were cautioned by the local police for kicking a ball in an empty field--not a park, a field.</p> <p>I know that there's a difference between public health and individual health. But folks with gardens really need to start realising the impact of living in a small flat in a densely populated area. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-327030 Mon, 06 Apr 2020 17:29:26 +0000 unhurt 327030@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>And also</p> <p><a href="https://twitter.com/RobinMazumder/status/1246948946578042881">If we want social/physical distancing to be sustainable, we need to acknowledge the psychological toll of being stuck at home. We need to positively frame desirable behaviour. In the age of social media, I'm legitimately worried about what happens when people collectively snap.</a></p> <p>"Trust me. I'm an optimist. But, I've also seen what social isolation can do to people (I worked in community mental health as an occupational therapist). We need to be strategic about the approach we take. I don't think an authoritative/punitive stance is good for the long haul.</p> <p>Tell people you understand the challenges they face. Validate their experience. Show them you care by opening streets up for people to walk, roll &amp; cycle. I suspect this will yield better results. I think it can keep people in better spirits and help ensure compliance with rules." </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-327028 Mon, 06 Apr 2020 17:27:29 +0000 unhurt 327028@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://twitter.com/RobinMazumder/status/1246898184124649472">Comfortable, sustainable social distancing is a privilege. If you live with multiple people in a small space, getting outdoors and having some alone time in a park could be what keeps people well. I just hope this reality is taken into account when cities consider fining people.</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-326702 Fri, 03 Apr 2020 12:25:43 +0000 gembo 326702@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Polis should get down the beauty spots, catch some rays and educate the public </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-326699 Fri, 03 Apr 2020 12:16:24 +0000 I were right about that saddle 326699@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Saturday sunshine will be a test of this.</em></p> <p>Car owners living in flats will be sorely tempted. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-326697 Fri, 03 Apr 2020 12:13:49 +0000 gembo 326697@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@ejstubbs, yes agreed, the guardian unlikely just to lift and the quotes are not the same words. I could not find the original (read on facebook). But Greatorex is definitely at the optimistic end.</p> <p>I was down in my wasteland last night and my elderly neighbour came by on path we were fair distance apart so fine.</p> <p>I do think there is a fine line between scapegoating and people not observing what is supposed to benefit us all because it does not suit them</p> <p>Saturday sunshine will be a test of this. 400euro fine in Germany if you stand too close. Hence their lower numbers but even there they are not immune. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-326689 Fri, 03 Apr 2020 11:21:23 +0000 ejstubbs 326689@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@gembo: Is this the article you were thinking of?</p> <p><a href="https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/cambridge-virologist-explains-what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-covid-19-9104220/" rel="nofollow">https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/cambridge-virologist-explains-what-we-know-and-dont-know-about-covid-19-9104220/</a></p> <p>It's dated 25th March.</p> <p>I suspect Zoe Williams spoke to Dr Greatorex subsequent to the Cambridge Independent article coming out. I can't see any obvious duplication of words in the quotes that Zoe attributes to Dr Greatorex in her article in The Guardian so I don't think it was just lifted. (Unlike someone who <u>has</u> lifted Zoe's article word for word and posted it on YouTube, complete with mournful piano backing and I suspect unauthorised use of a Getty Images stock photo used in the article.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-326685 Fri, 03 Apr 2020 11:04:59 +0000 ejstubbs 326685@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/coronavirus-joggers-not-social-distancing-risk-becoming-hate-figures-alastair-dalton-2526953" rel="nofollow">https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/coronavirus-joggers-not-social-distancing-risk-becoming-hate-figures-alastair-dalton-2526953</a></p> <p>@gembo: IMO zen is the right approach when taking exercise as well: forget trying to beat your best time for your favourite Strava segment, focus on treating the people with whom you're sharing your exercise space with respect and courtesy, take it easy, chill a bit.</p> <p>(Edit: Reference also the recent postings on the "I had a lovely ride today, thankyou" thread.)</p> <p>I've found even some pedestrians seem to get in a 'zone' where all they have on their minds is getting from A to B regardless. However, most do seem to be at least trying to comply with the guidance, and a fair proportion are actively co-operative and friendly about it. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-326632 Thu, 02 Apr 2020 16:38:45 +0000 gembo 326632@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I love wrights coal tar but Mrs Garto wont have it in the house</p> <p>Received a p-word down near Dunsyre one sunny summers day and a local person invited me in to the house to wash my hands with Wrights Coal Tar and drink a big glass of diluting orange. Was maybe 15 years ago which in Dunsuyre was 1959</p> <p>When I worked in Saughton the cons used to try to get the Doctor to say they had psoriasis so they could be written up for Polytar shampoo which was Gratis rather than paying over the odds for Vosene at the jail shop. This was back in 1995 which for SaUGHTON was 1842 </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-326631 Thu, 02 Apr 2020 16:34:26 +0000 ARobComp 326631@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>[1] Alas, this no longer contains actual coal tar...</blockquote></p> <p>Elf and Safety gone mad that. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-326630 Thu, 02 Apr 2020 16:34:03 +0000 gembo 326630@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@Medium Dave yes she is good on the Dont panic if someon walked passed you within 2 metres and they weren’t coughing. </p> <p>But less good on the how much coughing you can do (Cambs article not Guardian lift)</p> <p>Cougher - Cough Cough<br /> Judge Gembo - why are you out and about coughing your germs everywhere you selfish exercise addict?<br /> Cougher - I was coughing yesterday and the day before so this is end of Day 3 and Jane Greatorex says only infectious for 3 days so I am fine to run now<br /> Judge Gembo - but Prince Charles had to self isolate for 7 days<br /> Cougher - But I have not been tested and Jane Greatorex says it is fine </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-326626 Thu, 02 Apr 2020 16:15:01 +0000 MediumDave 326626@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><blockquote>Same stuff she said before, same missing out that only 60% have cough, only one Greatorex</blockquote></p> <p>Unless I'm mistaken, her point is that the coughs/sneezes are required for much of the spread. The ~40% cases with no cough likely won't be contributing much to the spread. </p> <p>Of course this unlikely to be a comfort to you if you have managed to pick up the bug from a fomite. Bear in mind that the power to stop that form of spread is in your hands...literally!</p> <p>On hand washing: I have observed there always seems to be plenty of Wrights Coal Tar[1] soap available in the shops. Other less pungent brands are sold out. </p> <p>[1] Alas, this no longer contains actual coal tar... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-326622 Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:25:44 +0000 gembo 326622@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@fimm, I have time machine then Same stuff she said before, same missing out that only 60% have cough, only one Greatorex. I read it in Cambridgeshire News. Greatorex is great but she does not have all the answers, just the upbeat ones Not clear to me whether the Guardian journalist is rehashing. The earlier Cambs. Story or not?</p> <p>NOt all cyclists or runners are exercise addicts, I have been Zen about not being out on my bike </p> <p>But I didn’t say cyclists or runners were exercise addicts, I said exercise addicts are as bad as John Keays</p> <p>Snowy was talking about one coughing runner</p> <p>I see lots of people foot of my garden passing too close. Lots, coughing cyclist, coughing runners, coughing dog walkers the first two groups I would say are being selfish or thoughtless the dog wALKERS have to walk the dog but should they go coughing down a b=narrow, very busy shared use path? I think no. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-326619 Thu, 02 Apr 2020 15:15:16 +0000 fimm 326619@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@gembo given that the article was published today that is unlikely...</p> <p>And are cyclists "exercise addicts"? Selfish? </p> <p>Some people behave selfishly, some do not. Please don't lump people together whatever they may be doing. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12196&page=7#post-326608 Thu, 02 Apr 2020 14:45:31 +0000 gembo 326608@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>‘Fraid so Snowy - exercise addicts as bad as John Keays when it comes to selfishness. Let’s hope they get Christmas. See also loads of cycling fora justifying their flouting of lockdown</p> <p>[vintage Fall Reference] </p>