http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Topic: "Scotland counts the £2.7m cost of pothole damage" en Mon, 18 May 2026 11:42:20 +0000 http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12197#post-142361 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:40:57 +0000 neddie 142361@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Buses can only account for damage on the bus routes. I'd say it's fair play/to be expected that buses damage the roads on their set routes.</p> <p>But that doesn't explain all the damage to non buse routes:</p> <p><ul><li>Whitehouse Loan</li><li>Murieston Cres</li><li>West Spylaw Park</li><li>Kingston Avenue</li><li>Leamington Tce</li><li>Viewforth</li><li>etc...</li></ul> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12197#post-142357 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:32:22 +0000 kaputnik 142357@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Surely it's not cars that are the real problem - but buses and lorries ripping up the road.</em></p> <p>I've gone into some basic calculations before on a previous thread (can't find it at the moment) about Low Floor buses and how their axle load is greater than an HGV and was on paper 60% higher than the old "high floor" buses.</p> <p>It's hardly a coincidence that so many bus stops in Edinburgh have two large wheels-shaped holes or depressions at them about the same distance apart as the wheels on the bus and the same distance from the kerb as a stopping bus. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12197#post-142354 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:20:05 +0000 neddie 142354@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>@AKen</p> <p>Well they could put all the buses on metal rails to save damage to the roads... Oh wait... ;) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12197#post-142350 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:06:13 +0000 wangi 142350@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>The real bad ones have not been adopted by the Council - they are privately maintained (or not), typically by the residents adjacent.</p> <p>This is the case for Spylaw Park, parts of Kingston Avenue, Park Lane, ...</p> <p><a href="http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/1284/roads_and_pavements/865/public_roads_in_edinburgh" rel="nofollow">http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/1284/roads_and_pavements/865/public_roads_in_edinburgh</a> </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12197#post-142346 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 14:47:22 +0000 AKen 142346@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Surely it's not cars that are the real problem - but buses and lorries ripping up the road. The number of the really huge cars is pretty small. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12197#post-142339 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:53:51 +0000 neddie 142339@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>More and more holes are being created because more &amp; more people are driving everywhere &amp; vehicles have got heavier.</p> <p>Something has to break.</p> <p>So it's time to get all roads down to one lane in each direction &amp; ban cars from the city centre and bus routes. Then we might have a chance of catching up with the damage. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12197#post-142325 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:05:43 +0000 gibbo 142325@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>The best example I can think of is West Spylaw Park.</em></p> <p>I will see your West Spylaw Park and raise you Kingston Avenue. :)</p> <p>(Needs to be cycled westwards to be believed.) </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12197#post-142321 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:46:56 +0000 Arellcat 142321@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>Councils and residents don't like rat runs because car drivers use them and/or try to park along them. So the trick is to provide a disincentive by never repairing them. That has become the modus operandi, but the amazing cost savings have been translated to all roads with only occasional exceptions.</p> <p>The best example I can think of is West Spylaw Park. It's a good short cut, and what an incredible lunar landscape! The enduro bike laps it up but that's about all. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12197#post-142310 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:02:10 +0000 gibbo 142310@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Is the council to blame here, or the developers?</em></p> <p>If it's a public road, then I'd say it's the council to blame. If the council will accept sub-standard work by utilities companies etc, then they'll get sub-standard work. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12197#post-142304 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:51:36 +0000 wee folding bike 142304@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I sent photos to North Lanarkshire showing the hole and busted rims. </p> <p>North Lanarkshire replied saying that I couldn't prove their hole caused the damage. </p> <p>I need to get the Pope round for coffee and a Tunnock's. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12197#post-142291 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:15:06 +0000 AKen 142291@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>There's a street near me that runs into a new development. As part of this development, four trenches have been dug across the street, possibly to cable new lamposts, and filled. They've then had months of construction traffic going over them resulting in four wide, sharp potholes on the road. Is the council to blame here, or the developers? There are so many potholes that are clearly caused by a poor quality reinstatement of an otherwise good surface. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12197#post-142288 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:59:28 +0000 amir 142288@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>I suspect that this is the tip of the iceberg. Many don't claim and those that do face a long and difficult road to compensation.</p> <p>I put in a claim a good few years ago (for only £50 ish). After the initial communications I have heard anything since.</p> <p>Really there should be a stronger imperative to get the roads fit for purpose - some kind of target with independent auditing.</p> <p>Site like Fill-that_Hole are great but really they should be used to notify councils of holes appearing suddenly. Instead the streets are so overwhelmingly pot-holed over such a long period that it's blatently obvious that the councils are not fulfilling their obligations. </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12197#post-142287 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:50:42 +0000 EddieD 142287@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p>27,000 in Edinburgh probably wouldn't cover more than a few potholes - it's probably still more cost effective for the council to ignore the problem </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12197#post-142285 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:27:29 +0000 gibbo 142285@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><em>Local government umbrella group Convention of Scottish Local Authorities (Cosla) blamed a growing “compensation culture” which encourages motorists to make claims</em></p> <p>Yeah? Get a bike and cycle round Edinburgh, you clowns. Then you'll see what causes the damage... and it's not people's attitudes... </p> http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=12197#post-142283 Tue, 11 Feb 2014 02:06:47 +0000 chdot 142283@http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/ <p><a href="http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/scotland-counts-the-2-7m-cost-of-pothole-damage-1-3301489" rel="nofollow">http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/scotland-counts-the-2-7m-cost-of-pothole-damage-1-3301489</a> </p>